Title: Wizard of Oz Verified by using New Testament Verification Methods Source:
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"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
Here you have an extremely heavy object traveling at, say, 400 mph. Its force is focused on a small area, ie the nose of the fuselage and the leading edges of the wings. It is going to smash whatever it hits.
You seem to think it's going to hit and then just bounce off the building like it was a tennis ball.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
An airliner is a hollow shell of aluminum. The wtc was made of steel and concrete. I'm honestly not very interested in debating why the aircraft would give before the building would.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but when you crash at about about 400-500 mph, there isn't much left of the parts, either of the plane or of the people aboard. It would be pseudo-scientific of me if I claimed otherwise.
Are you trying to say that the Tinman would have vanished into the ground and/or morphed into some mismatched parts like the alleged planes in NY, D.C., and PA if he crashed at 400-500 mph? I hope not. Barbara Olson and Mark Bingham reportedly didn't mostly vanish like the alleged planes. In an investigation, they could be exhumed as evidence but that would be like spooky. I'm guessing that you don't want to reconsider that you could be mistaken about your faith- based planer belief-system and don't want to pursue any investigation into the black-market underworld of trafficking in dual-use plane parts, such as the QRS11 gyroscope for guided missle systems and whatnot that may have been "disappeared" there by the 9/11 "official" storyline. I do wonder why the planers (who are so sure of what they think they saw and have been told "from on high") haven't made any moves at all in nearly a decade to charge suspect perps with any criminality. Why waste more time sneering and jeering at No- Planers? It's not our job to perform the impossible and "prove a negative" 4 times, then race you to court in order to be "deemed" a serious and valid membership of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Truth and Justice aren't really the goal of planers. "Most Popular Narrative" is their goal and -- Newsflash -- we don't require their approval of our research and work to have a case that's on a different trail. It would be nice if we could do our investigations in peace but if your members can't be so courteous then I'd have to say that it doesn't help your so-called case any.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm guessing that you don't want to reconsider that you could be mistaken about your faith- based planer belief-system
There are any number of things that I could be mistaken about. This isn't one of them.
I do wonder why the planers (who are so sure of what they think they saw and have been told "from on high") haven't made any moves at all in nearly a decade to charge suspect perps with any criminality.
Interesting comment. You remind me of someone else here that will remain nameless. When you said "from on high", that tells me something. The people that saw the planes hit were not "elites".
And why haven't the "no planers" done this? You blame the "planers" for the lack of charges?
No one will be charged with this IN THE CURRENT POLITICAL SYSTEM. It is studiously ignored, and ignoring it is very effective.
Why waste more time sneering and jeering at No- Planers?
You seem to equate disagreement with "sneering and jeering". If you "no planers" want to believe this stuff, no problem. I'm not looking to convert anyone to different beliefs. All I did was point out why I don't believe it.
Truth and Justice aren't really the goal of planers.
But it is the goal of the "no planers"?
What's true can be obvious, but truth is much more elusive. Justice and truth are in the eye of the beholder.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
I'm honestly not very interested in debating why the aircraft would give before the building would.
That's certainly understandable.
I wouldn't want to try and explain how a plane would hit a building, fold up like an accordion and drop to the pavement, without entering the building.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
That's something that you have to learn for yourself, if you call yourself a "truth seeker", because just when you think you know the truth about something, something always comes along and shakes things up.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
There are any number of things that I could be mistaken about. This isn't one of them.
Maybe you didn't see one of my early posts here about the Military not going to DEFCON 1 that day -- meaning Imminent Attack or Attack In-Process. How would you explain that? All the big Brass there are corrupt?
Me: I do wonder why the planers (who are so sure of what they think they saw and have been told "from on high") haven't made any moves at all in nearly a decade to charge suspect perps with any criminality.
You: Interesting comment. You remind me of someone else here that will remain nameless. When you said "from on high", that tells me something. The people that saw the planes hit were not "elites".
I don't know what you think it tells you but I'm pretty sure I've used that phrase here before in 9/11 discussions and a number of times through the years outside of this forum. Do you know of someone who has like a monopoly claim to it? Overly generous of you, imo, to be so trusting of all alleged witnesses and presumptive of their social status too. I hope you don't really think that 9/11 hoaxers wouldn't go so far as to plant false testimonials about planes to advance their cover story and other plots like wars abroad. That would be naive. The planes meme serves as vehicles to designate Arabs as the enemy, for fraudullent insurance purposes, and so on. No Planes doesn't mean no heinous criminal insiders here. It could mean even more criminal insiders here that have been going unidentified and should be charged. I think they are using the planes congregants as unbeknownst getaway drivers.
And why haven't the "no planers" done this? You blame the "planers" for the lack of charges?
Dr. Judy Wood has filed legal cases against NIST, et al, and all the way to the Supreme Court from what I've read. Many No Planers support her. How many Planers do? About zero?
No one will be charged with this IN THE CURRENT POLITICAL SYSTEM. It is studiously ignored, and ignoring it is very effective.
See the comment above about Dr. Judy Wood.
You seem to equate disagreement with "sneering and jeering". If you "no planers" want to believe this stuff, no problem. I'm not looking to convert anyone to different beliefs. All I did was point out why I don't believe it.
I don't equate disagreement with sneering and jeering. It was your proclamation of our quests for 9/11 Truth and Justice as "100% unverifiable crap" that gave me that impression.
Me: Truth and Justice aren't really the goal of planers.
You: But it is the goal of the "no planers"?
The No Planers who are sincere about it and not deceptive infiltrators. What with all the extra flack in our direction, I'd estimate that there are many more who are sincerely with us than not and some who are but quietly.
What's true can be obvious, but truth is much more elusive. Justice and truth are in the eye of the beholder.
At a glance, that sounds eloquently philosophical and like a topic in itself but I have a less relativist view of those matters.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Overly generous of you, imo, to be so trusting of all alleged witnesses and presumptive of their social status too.
One thing I'm not, and that's being overly generous.
They're not "alleged witnesses". They're witnesses.
Interesting comment. You remind me of someone else here that will remain nameless. When you said "from on high", that tells me something. The people that saw the planes hit were not "elites".
I don't know what you think it tells you but I'm pretty sure I've used that phrase here before in 9/11 discussions and a number of times through the years outside of this forum.
Here's what it tells me. It tells me that you are evidently the type that would call for the date/time, and not believe what you're told because it's the "official" date and time.
Dr. Judy Wood has filed legal cases against NIST, et al, and all the way to the Supreme Court from what I've read. Many No Planers support her. How many Planers do? About zero?
And you say that I'm "presumptive"? lol
I don't equate disagreement with sneering and jeering. It was your proclamation of our quests for 9/11 Truth and Justice as "100% unverifiable crap" that gave me that impression.
Saying it is unverifiable crap is not sneering and jeering. It's stating a fact. When pressed for any proof, all you have are motives that you assign to others. You have presented no proof that there were no planes.
The No Planers who are sincere about it and not deceptive infiltrators.
I don't doubt the sincerity. But being sincere about something, and being RIGHT, are 2 different things. You can be sincerely wrong. You HAVE been sincerely wrong in the past, haven't you??? Or maybe you're one of those lucky few that are always right?
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
IMO those standards are pretty much universal, at least among the advanced races, and I don't need a holey bobble to tell me what they are. Because then we get into the "thou shall not commit murder" vs the kike 'god' and 'his' genocide / mass murder. It's all so very confusing lol
Not to mention the fact that others came up with these things long before the kikes did. Like Egypt's Book of the Dead.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
And of course the melted witch was molten for weeks afteward.
And why would her feet shrivel up because a house fell on her?
Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr
And why would her feet shrivel up because a house fell on her?
And how can monkeys talk and fly?
They scared the bejeebers out of me as a kid.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr
I bet the footage was doctored! Yes, doctored! And you dare to call it authentic? For shame! Were you there when this video was made? And what do you know about the witnesses? They were all government stooges! Shills! Agents! They were all in on it!
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
An aluminum airplane wouldn't slide through steel and concrete like a hot knife through butter. At 400 mph, it would crumple on impact.
I too find it hard to believe that an aluminum hull aircraft can neatly melt into a building the way we see in this depiction of UA 175 making the second WTC strike into the South Tower. Intuitively, many of us find the absolute lack of deformation in the aircraft and the preservation of the relationship of the major structural components of the throughout the duration of the impact shown hard to swallow. Really though, which one of us can say conclusively that what is depicted here is impossible?
What I find even more difficult to fathom however, is the NY television station video of the nose of the aircraft exiting the South Tower. I have held a radome from a smaller aircraft in my hands. I believe that it was made of a carbon fiber composite. The tip of an airliner is made of the same material. Although it is tough, it would not take much effort to irreparably damage a component like this with a ball peen hammer. Then there is the hull surrounding the cockpit. Like the rest of the aircraft fuselage, it is just an aluminum shell.
In the video you posted,wudidiz, we see the nose of the UA 175 melt into the south side of the building. In the following video we see it miraculously emerge out of the north face of WTC II:
I don't have time to engage in the "no planes" debate with anyone here. I'm throwing this in the hopper for you all to chew over. But I'll do so with a warning. You are all aware of how deep the rabbit hole is. I am very leery of presenting this kind of stuff to the uninitiated or even arguing this hypothesis with those that have been studying these events for the last ten years. It quickly gets too abstruse and the implications are just too wild for most folks to even contemplate. When I talk to those that hold conventional opinions regarding the contradictions in the reported facts of the events of 9/11 I just don't go there. Folks will have to dig this up for themselves, as far as I'm concerned.
I bet the footage was doctored! Yes, doctored! And you dare to call it authentic? For shame! Were you there when this video was made? And what do you know about the witnesses? They were all government stooges! Shills! Agents! They were all in on it!
I noticed your sort use ridicule and sarcasm a lot. Capslock sometimes too.
Intriguing.
Anyway, no. I don't think the footage was doctored. Looks real to me.
"I don't have time to engage in the "no planes" debate with anyone here. I'm throwing this in the hopper for you all to chew over. But I'll do so with a warning. You are all aware of how deep the rabbit hole is. I am very leery of presenting this kind of stuff to the uninitiated or even arguing this hypothesis with those that have been studying these events for the last ten years. It quickly gets too abstruse and the implications are just too wild for most folks to even contemplate. When I talk to those that hold conventional opinions regarding the contradictions in the reported facts of the events of 9/11 I just don't go there. Folks will have to dig this up for themselves, as far as I'm concerned. "
Thank you. Can I put you on the no planers ping list, randge? It'd be an honor.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
If your WW2 film footage looks real to you, then how can you say that the 9/11 footage was fake? I don't understand how you can do this.
Well, if the zeros were flying right through the aircraft carriers it would probably look fake. If they just appeared out of nowhere in the sky and entered the boats like ghosts, I'd guess they'd been doctored. You know, that type of thing.....
I use a combination of reasoning and intuition when discerning fact from fiction.... truth from fantasy..... reality from cgi video.
What they also need to include is the other angles
I think that they have crammed all the videos that I've seen of the second attack into this video where a simulation shows an airspeed of 581 mph (487 knots) just before impact:
Do you see the forward part of the aircraft exit the building in all of them?
The VMO or VNe, the maximum or never-exceed speed at sea level is 360 knots.(Impact is at 300 meters.) It's been suggested that the turbines will rebel at these speeds so close to the ground and start to act as a brake. Some have stated that you can't control a 767 at such altitudes over 220 mph. The g's in the dive depicted here would also be daunting for a pilot as is suggested in the video I've posted.
I can't of course vouch for all this, but I find this sort of speculation pretty hair-raising, Eric.
Saying it is unverifiable crap is not sneering and jeering. It's stating a fact. When pressed for any proof, all you have are motives that you assign to others. You have presented no proof that there were no planes.
It's not a fact, just your opinion. Have you answered any of my questions yet? I have, despite your presumptuous and unreceptive banter, presented you with verifiable evidence examples on important issues: 1. Dual-use plane parts, which Boeing has been charged with illegal-trafficking in more than 100 times and I have no problem to date with the official reports about that, as you suggested. 2. DEFCON status that day. 3. Dr. Judy Woods' legal cases. It is you who has shown no actual evidence. What you call proof is just a guv- issued story with some mismatched plane parts, a cast of supposed testimonials that you believe because they and some "bigwigs" say so, and some pics and videos that have largely been debunked numerous times -- in short, a faith-based belief system. If 9/11 Truth and Justice were of real concern to you, further investigations by No Planers that might find perps and more perps and other crimes like Insurance Fraud that your group isn't pursing at all shouldn't rile you so to slurs like "crap" and "idiocy" and such.
I don't doubt the sincerity. But being sincere about something, and being RIGHT, are 2 different things. You can be sincerely wrong. You HAVE been sincerely wrong in the past, haven't you??? Or maybe you're one of those lucky few that are always right?
Yes and no.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What do those 3 questions have to do with the 'no planes' hitting the WTC? Nothing. Not one thing.
The pentagon and WTC 7 are a different story. But WTC 1 and 2 were hit by planes, and none of you have presented any proof that they weren't.
What you call proof is just a guv- issued story with some mismatched plane parts, a cast of supposed testimonials that you believe because they and some "bigwigs" say so, and some pics and videos that have largely been debunked numerous times
What I call proof? OK, what do YOU call proof? Your just saying it does not make it so.
However, do feel free to start a thread on this. I'd dearly love to see how these pics and vids were 'debunked numerous times'. It should make for some lively conversation.
"All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Bigger than the US Army! lulz
Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. Iron is gods Kryptonite. More lulz
There are many, many posts in this forum debunking the pics and vids and entire threads also on the subjects of No Planes/Less than 4 Planes. A couple of the topics that focused on the Pentagon had so much lively conversation that other subjects of importance were somewhat shortchanged by it. You could probably find them by doing a search on 9/11 articles here, if you are really interested in the No Planes/Less than 4 Planes evidence. Lots of YouTubes on that if you look there and investigative research sites like Killtown's.
Two of the biggest problems (among others) in America are corrupt and deceptive government and media. Yet, you and others who do know that still seemingly want to put so much faith in them on their dubious 9/11 storylines -- which fall apart upon close scrutiny -- that you are apparently willing to undermine our efforts and credibility in the Patriot movement too by scourging us as if "heretics" and purveyors of "idiocy" on this issue, even if you yourself might suspect no plane at the Pentagon -- maybe not PA either. Why is that? The official conspiracy theory of 9/11 isn't "proof". Early on it was even admitted that their so-called evidence couldn't pass in a court of law, so they rushed us into wars abroad instead. Their holey belief-system and cult- like adherents have been costly beyond measure in lives, suffering, and treasure. Repent.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This isn't about the pentagon because no one filmed that strike except for the surveillance vids stolen by the feds.
This was about the 2nd WTC hit that was filmed by several.
The official conspiracy theory of 9/11 isn't "proof". Early on it was even admitted that their so-called evidence couldn't pass in a court of law, so they rushed us into wars abroad instead. Their holey belief-system and cult- like adherents have been costly beyond measure in lives, suffering, and treasure.
Agreed. But that does not support, much less prove, the "no planers" arguments.
