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Title: Get Rid of College
Source: UncleBob's Treehouse
URL Source: http://uncabob.blogspot.com/
Published: Feb 17, 2011
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2011-02-17 11:06:25 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 534
Comments: 18

A friend of mine who is a podiatrist told me he could teach his entire job in six months. I believe him. A woman I know studying to be a nurse had to drop out – temporarily, she hopes – because she could not pass the algebra course.

Why does a nurse need to know algebra? She doesn’t. Algebra doesn’t exist in real life. Another woman told me years ago she became a nurse in ten months. Now a four-year college degree is expected.

I could go on, so I will. An old girlfriend, who has an MBA in Accounting and Finance, had to take a calculus course twice to pass it. Does she ever use calculus? No. Will she ever? No. So why did she have to take it?

Many college degrees are worthless. Whatever happened to Jimmy Olsen, cub reporter? Now to work on a newspaper a four-year degree is required. I have one. They’re worthless. Everything I leaned I could have learned in six months on a newspaper.

Apparently college degrees are supposed to be filters. What they’re supposed to filter out, I don’t know. It certainly isn’t the worst, considering how many journalists are liberal idiots. As for MBAs, many of them are the publishers of newspapers (how did that happen?) and none of them saw the collapse of the Mainstream Media at the hands of the internet.

I’ve worked for MBAs from Harvard and Yale. They didn’t know what they were doing. It should be as it was in the past – people should start at the bottom and work their way up.

I am amazed at the stupidity (or is it just ignorance?) of so many college graduates. In college I once had to borrow a typewriter (yeah, a typewriter) from a girl I knew, whose father was a Political Science professor.

When I picked the typewriter up from him, he said, “The bomb is armed. Just put it next to Hitler.” I laughed. When I returned the typewriter, I told him, “The bomb went off but Hitler escaped. Now they’re after Rommel.”

His eyebrows shot up to his hairline, and he said, “I’m glad to see that not all of my daughter’s friends are political and historical ignoramuses.” Again I just laughed.

I learned about Rommel being involved in the attempted assassination of Hitler when I was 11 years old. These days, you can get a Ph.D and still never have heard of it.

Is the purpose of college to make people stupid? And of schooling (which certainly isn’t education) in general? Jefferson, Washington and Franklin had almost no “formal” schooling. They did pretty good.

I know a very old man who became a lawyer merely by passing the bar exam. He never took a law class in his life. It should be like that today.

You could close down colleges, get rid of all the degrees, and it would make no difference. Did Andrew Carnegie have a degree? Did Bill Gates? You could dump the MBA completely and the only difference is that things would get better.

If you want to be a doctor or dentist, you should be able to apply to doctor or dentist school without a degree, take the entrance exam, and see if you pass.

School, if anything, cripples many kids. Public school was boring. Even college was boring, although not as badly as what I endured before college.

Degrees don’t mean a damn thing anymore. College doesn’t, either.

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

good piece

Is the purpose of college to make people stupid?

The purpose of college is to give white people the right attitude towards minorities and the means to live as far away from them as possible.

If the Jews are bloodsuckers, anti-racism is the anti-coagulant.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-02-17   11:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-17   11:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-17   11:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-17   11:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#1)

The purpose of college is to give white people the right attitude towards minorities and the means to live as far away from them as possible.

That's a truly funny observation.

But you have to ask yourself, although there is a lot of fluff in college curricula, can you be an accountant without studying calculus? To be an accountant you need to study finance, and to understand that subject well you have to understand how to calculate the time value of money and how the marginal revenue curve works. To understand such functions you need a bit of calculus. Similarly, a registered nurse must study physiology, and here too a little math is required. All these professional people have to be literate. They need to have a grasp of at least English grammar, and they need good writing skills in all areas of their work.

We need to take the fluff out of college. But there is a lot that is taught there that builds a person. What we don't need is training schools that just turn out a lot of robots that carry out a limited array of functions. There is a difference between training and education. Training enables workers to apply their cognitive and motor skill to perform specific tasks. Education should create actors and thinkers that can solve difficult problems. It should create better citizens, not more worker ants for the farm.

Don't dumb down education. There's plenty of dumb to go around these days as it is.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-17   12:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#5)

To understand such functions you need a bit of calculus.

No you don't, since payments are discrete, nothing is compounded continuously, and there's no closed-form solution to the mortgage equation.

An accountant doesn't need calculus. A smart accountant though may figure out the base of the natural logarithm on his own.

Teaching an accountant calculus just gives him more exclusionary voodoo jargon to cow clients.

If the Jews are bloodsuckers, anti-racism is the anti-coagulant.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-02-17   12:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#6)

Teaching an accountant calculus just gives him more exclusionary voodoo jargon to cow clients.

The woman in question has an MBA in Accounting and Finance from the University of Chicago. She had to drop calculus the first time and passed it the second time.

When I asked her if she has used it, she said, "No."

I think college is a filter. But what it's supposed to filter, I still wonder.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2011-02-17   12:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#6)

Strictly speaking, you are correct. People kept books and discounted notes for centuries immemorial without reference to continuous functions.

Fine. I am going to live in your America. I have no choice. It's an America where standards are constantly being lowered.

They don't lower them in Europe or Japan or China. They're beating the pants off of us.

And we deserve it.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-17   12:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Turtle (#7)

But what it's supposed to filter, I still wonder.

That's easy.

Humility and incredulity.

If the Jews are bloodsuckers, anti-racism is the anti-coagulant.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-02-17   12:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#8)

It's an America where standards are constantly being lowered.

There's standards and there are standards.

Mostly, there isn't a standard AT ALL. There's one for them, and one for us.

Higher standards than needed serve Jewish interests two ways: First, they keep out whites who are perfectly adequate. Second, by creating a "shortage", they increase demand for non-white immigration.

Lower standards than needed, applied to darkies, both appease the latter and (again) keep out whites.

The Jews fuck us BOTH ways.

If the Jews are bloodsuckers, anti-racism is the anti-coagulant.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-02-17   12:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)

Yes, by all means.

Let us all learn less then.

Cheers.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-17   12:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Turtle (#0)

Now to work on a newspaper a four-year degree is required. I have one. They’re worthless. Everything I leaned I could have learned in six months on a newspaper.

H.L. Mencken - the often quoted and erudite master of the English language, in fact he wrote a scholarly tome on it, never even finished High School.

We live in an age that has as one of its chief vices what I call credentiation. The presumption that one must have a 4 year, or higher, College Degree before one can be presumed to know anything. I see now job listings that at one time would have required naught more than a High School Diploma asking for a Bachelors or higher to perform a job that requires mainly savvy and experience. One gains neither of those at one of our esteemed institutions of "higher learning". No, one is programmed into the matrix by the selective inclusion and exclusion of information.

Ask a graduate student in Economics about the Federal Reserve and you are likely to get little more than the standard line. They know nothing about Jekyll Island, or how the bill was passed to authorize it on Christmas Eve with a bare quorum.

Neither will you find an Archaeology or Anthropology student at the Graduate level who knows any more than the official party line. While if one examines the entire fossil record it suggests a much much earlier date for the rise of anatomically modern man than the current Darwinistic FAD will permit. All contradictory evidence, much of it having provenance and proof equal to or better than that used to substantiate the preferred academic fad, is omitted, buried, and not spoken of.

And I could go on. Much of what is taught in our universities can be learned more quickly on one's own, and as you point out much of it is not even germane to the profession the student is to enter. However to limit curriculum to the germane does not generate income for Universities and provides no pretext for high level snobs to exclude those who are self taught. It is in effect, in many fields, what an economist would call a "barrier to entry" i.e., a requirement which prevents entry into a field by those not anointed by the self appointed gate keepers.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-17   12:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Turtle (#0)

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-02-17   13:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)

I’ve been tied up and didn’t have a chance to get back to you on this thread this week.

There is a lot in what you say here, OI. I have a great respect for learning and those that take pains to understand a discipline, whatever that may be. I also have to say that I have contempt for all the miseducation that takes place in our country and in the West in general for the heap of propaganda that is served up to us in our schools, colleges and universities.

It’s interesting that you bring up Henry Louis Mencken. Mencken was indeed a self-taught journalist and political thinker and writer as well as social critic. He was a voracious reader from a very young age, and although he'd learned but scant German in his home (his father August Mencken barely spoke the language), he taught himself to read German and translated and interpreted the works of Goethe and Nietzsche. Even though he was an autodidact, Mencken respected scholarship, even if he often skewered those that wrote in ivory towers of his day. He’d certainly have a field day with those of our times. Also on his very pointy skewer were the boobs of the “booboisee” who in their intellectual laziness and false egalitarianism form the mass of the sheep that surround us. Theirs is just the species of thinking that is exemplified in the article posted at the head of this thread.

It’s my opinion that anyone who is afraid of the mental strain of higher learning shouldn’t have the right to call himself a professional. A person that chokes at the prospect of wrapping his mind around a little calculus for example is a, well, I’ll abstain from the five letter word out of respect for Christine’s forum. Bob Wallace’s attitude exemplifies the kind of thinking that I found so frustrating living in the Arab world, where the prevailing sentiment is, “Teach me just what I need to know and no more!” There is an attitude of general intellectual incuriosity there that is that stamp and seal of its material and spiritual inertia.

A pox on that kind of thinking here. College stinks for many reasons, but not because it sometime asks students to give their full measure.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-19   10:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#14) (Edited)

A pox on that kind of thinking here. College stinks for many reasons, but not because it sometime asks students to give their full measure.

A thought with which I strongly agree. I am not opposed to formal learning in a structured environment. What I find vexing is that colleges and universities have, as one critic put it, become intellectual ghettoes. To get the point one has to understand also that a ghetto is not specifically an impoverished neighborhood, but an isolated one.

A college or university does not require elaborate buildings or billion dollar research laboratories to be a place of real learning. People, because of our culture's mistaken emphasis upon material wealth, have been conditioned to think that a university or college must be a grand affair to provide, not an education, but the patina of an education. It was not all that long ago that the wealthy young attending such as Harvard or Yale were literally given a pass through 4 years of college receiving what was called "the Gentleman's 'C'". Often they did not even attend class but instead sent their "batman" (in this sense 'batman' is an orderly or servant not The Caped Crusader) to be their physical representative for their presence. They were much more involved in socializing with the "right people" and making connections.

My main point though is that many modern colleges and universities have become gilded institutions who are less involved with providing a thorough basic education but are instead selling a piece of paper that is an entry, or was, into the true middle class.

It does not require a huge sprawling campus to provide a good education. Now if someone's field does require large facilities for research they can be valid, but should not be the reason for the school's existence.

What is required is a defined place, a well defined and thought out curriculum (a course of study laid out so as to provide a gradient of learning in a subject or subjects from basic to advanced) and access to books and instruction on how to use those books as a tool to learn. Nothing more. Modern schools, with some exceptions, have become a place where the interests of students, and learning, have taken a back seat to status and interests of professors and administrators. A college or university should be first and foremost about producing a valuable final product which is defined as students well educated in their chosen area with enough breadth to suggest an outline to the full range of human knowledge. Universities and Colleges have instead become indoctrination centers intent upon propagating pedagogical theories and a controlled learning environment. Often the curriculum is nothing more than a gilded vocational program and at its worst an outright miseducation.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-02-19   15:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#14)

Bob Wallace’s attitude exemplifies the kind of thinking that I found so frustrating living in the Arab world, where the prevailing sentiment is, “Teach me just what I need to know and no more!”

Turtle = Bob Wallace.

Half the people in this country have IQs of less than 100. They need vocational school.

90% of the people in college shouldn't be there. I have a degree and did not once meet anyone who had a library.

The dumbest people people I ever met in college were Education majors.

Overwhelming, college is a place to park kids until they get "old enough" to get jobs.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2011-02-19   15:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Turtle (#0)

Not so. College is beneficial to some, but not most who attend. For hard skills it weeds out the weak, even the smarter ones who have little perseverance. Most graduates of engineering and most other sciences really do deserve to be credited for their diligence and intelligence.

Soft skills, not so much. They probably have no business in higher education since it is left to indeterminate means to judge abilities. The wishy-washiness naturally fell into dogma rather than any measurable means of judging accomplishment.

maxbluto  posted on  2011-02-19   15:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

Why does a nurse need to know algebra?

Let's put it this way, they make important decisions that could be a matter of life and death for their patients. If they aren't smart enough to pass a simple algebra course, would you want such a person making such decisions? I sure the heck wouldn't. Algebra is not hard, nurses don't have to even take the harder math classes, just the basic stuff. If they can't pass that then they definitely should not be a nurse, maybe a teacher. haha.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-02-19   15:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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