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Title: Get Rid of College
Source: UncleBob's Treehouse
URL Source: http://uncabob.blogspot.com/
Published: Feb 17, 2011
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2011-02-17 11:06:25 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 576
Comments: 18

A friend of mine who is a podiatrist told me he could teach his entire job in six months. I believe him. A woman I know studying to be a nurse had to drop out – temporarily, she hopes – because she could not pass the algebra course.

Why does a nurse need to know algebra? She doesn’t. Algebra doesn’t exist in real life. Another woman told me years ago she became a nurse in ten months. Now a four-year college degree is expected.

I could go on, so I will. An old girlfriend, who has an MBA in Accounting and Finance, had to take a calculus course twice to pass it. Does she ever use calculus? No. Will she ever? No. So why did she have to take it?

Many college degrees are worthless. Whatever happened to Jimmy Olsen, cub reporter? Now to work on a newspaper a four-year degree is required. I have one. They’re worthless. Everything I leaned I could have learned in six months on a newspaper.

Apparently college degrees are supposed to be filters. What they’re supposed to filter out, I don’t know. It certainly isn’t the worst, considering how many journalists are liberal idiots. As for MBAs, many of them are the publishers of newspapers (how did that happen?) and none of them saw the collapse of the Mainstream Media at the hands of the internet.

I’ve worked for MBAs from Harvard and Yale. They didn’t know what they were doing. It should be as it was in the past – people should start at the bottom and work their way up.

I am amazed at the stupidity (or is it just ignorance?) of so many college graduates. In college I once had to borrow a typewriter (yeah, a typewriter) from a girl I knew, whose father was a Political Science professor.

When I picked the typewriter up from him, he said, “The bomb is armed. Just put it next to Hitler.” I laughed. When I returned the typewriter, I told him, “The bomb went off but Hitler escaped. Now they’re after Rommel.”

His eyebrows shot up to his hairline, and he said, “I’m glad to see that not all of my daughter’s friends are political and historical ignoramuses.” Again I just laughed.

I learned about Rommel being involved in the attempted assassination of Hitler when I was 11 years old. These days, you can get a Ph.D and still never have heard of it.

Is the purpose of college to make people stupid? And of schooling (which certainly isn’t education) in general? Jefferson, Washington and Franklin had almost no “formal” schooling. They did pretty good.

I know a very old man who became a lawyer merely by passing the bar exam. He never took a law class in his life. It should be like that today.

You could close down colleges, get rid of all the degrees, and it would make no difference. Did Andrew Carnegie have a degree? Did Bill Gates? You could dump the MBA completely and the only difference is that things would get better.

If you want to be a doctor or dentist, you should be able to apply to doctor or dentist school without a degree, take the entrance exam, and see if you pass.

School, if anything, cripples many kids. Public school was boring. Even college was boring, although not as badly as what I endured before college.

Degrees don’t mean a damn thing anymore. College doesn’t, either.

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#12. To: Turtle (#0)

Now to work on a newspaper a four-year degree is required. I have one. They’re worthless. Everything I leaned I could have learned in six months on a newspaper.

H.L. Mencken - the often quoted and erudite master of the English language, in fact he wrote a scholarly tome on it, never even finished High School.

We live in an age that has as one of its chief vices what I call credentiation. The presumption that one must have a 4 year, or higher, College Degree before one can be presumed to know anything. I see now job listings that at one time would have required naught more than a High School Diploma asking for a Bachelors or higher to perform a job that requires mainly savvy and experience. One gains neither of those at one of our esteemed institutions of "higher learning". No, one is programmed into the matrix by the selective inclusion and exclusion of information.

Ask a graduate student in Economics about the Federal Reserve and you are likely to get little more than the standard line. They know nothing about Jekyll Island, or how the bill was passed to authorize it on Christmas Eve with a bare quorum.

Neither will you find an Archaeology or Anthropology student at the Graduate level who knows any more than the official party line. While if one examines the entire fossil record it suggests a much much earlier date for the rise of anatomically modern man than the current Darwinistic FAD will permit. All contradictory evidence, much of it having provenance and proof equal to or better than that used to substantiate the preferred academic fad, is omitted, buried, and not spoken of.

And I could go on. Much of what is taught in our universities can be learned more quickly on one's own, and as you point out much of it is not even germane to the profession the student is to enter. However to limit curriculum to the germane does not generate income for Universities and provides no pretext for high level snobs to exclude those who are self taught. It is in effect, in many fields, what an economist would call a "barrier to entry" i.e., a requirement which prevents entry into a field by those not anointed by the self appointed gate keepers.

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#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)

I’ve been tied up and didn’t have a chance to get back to you on this thread this week.

There is a lot in what you say here, OI. I have a great respect for learning and those that take pains to understand a discipline, whatever that may be. I also have to say that I have contempt for all the miseducation that takes place in our country and in the West in general for the heap of propaganda that is served up to us in our schools, colleges and universities.

It’s interesting that you bring up Henry Louis Mencken. Mencken was indeed a self-taught journalist and political thinker and writer as well as social critic. He was a voracious reader from a very young age, and although he'd learned but scant German in his home (his father August Mencken barely spoke the language), he taught himself to read German and translated and interpreted the works of Goethe and Nietzsche. Even though he was an autodidact, Mencken respected scholarship, even if he often skewered those that wrote in ivory towers of his day. He’d certainly have a field day with those of our times. Also on his very pointy skewer were the boobs of the “booboisee” who in their intellectual laziness and false egalitarianism form the mass of the sheep that surround us. Theirs is just the species of thinking that is exemplified in the article posted at the head of this thread.

It’s my opinion that anyone who is afraid of the mental strain of higher learning shouldn’t have the right to call himself a professional. A person that chokes at the prospect of wrapping his mind around a little calculus for example is a, well, I’ll abstain from the five letter word out of respect for Christine’s forum. Bob Wallace’s attitude exemplifies the kind of thinking that I found so frustrating living in the Arab world, where the prevailing sentiment is, “Teach me just what I need to know and no more!” There is an attitude of general intellectual incuriosity there that is that stamp and seal of its material and spiritual inertia.

A pox on that kind of thinking here. College stinks for many reasons, but not because it sometime asks students to give their full measure.

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#16. To: randge (#14)

Bob Wallace’s attitude exemplifies the kind of thinking that I found so frustrating living in the Arab world, where the prevailing sentiment is, “Teach me just what I need to know and no more!”

Turtle = Bob Wallace.

Half the people in this country have IQs of less than 100. They need vocational school.

90% of the people in college shouldn't be there. I have a degree and did not once meet anyone who had a library.

The dumbest people people I ever met in college were Education majors.

Overwhelming, college is a place to park kids until they get "old enough" to get jobs.

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