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Title: ‘Use live ammunition’ against Wisconsin protesters, Indiana official says
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Published: Feb 23, 2011
Author: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/23/us
Post Date: 2011-02-23 14:31:43 by tom007
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‘Use live ammunition’ against Wisconsin protesters, Indiana official says

By David Edwards Wednesday, February 23rd, 2011 -- 10:19 am Share28 Share1291 72 Share948 Share11 Share0

Tags: ammunition, blog, general, indiana attorney general, live ammunition, police, republican gov, state, wisconsin capitol, wisconsin republican

One official in Indiana suggested over the weekend that riot police should use deadly force on those protesting Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker's plan to strip unions of their rights.

A Saturday tweet from Mother Jones reported on the likelihood that police would soon be clearing the Wisconsin Capitol building of demonstrators.

"Use live ammunition," a Twitter user named JCCentCom replied.

When confronted, the Twitter user stood by his words, insisting that the protesters were "political enemies" and "thugs."

"[A]gainst thugs physically threatening legally-elected state legislators & governor? You're damn right I advocate deadly force," he wrote.

Mother Jones' Adam Weinstein later discovered that JCCentCom was a deputy attorney general at the Office of the Indiana Attorney General.

From the writings on his blog Pro Cynic, it seemed that this wasn't the first time Cox had used over-the-top rhetoric against those he disagreed with.

"But he evinces contempt for political opponents -- from labeling President Obama an 'incompetent and treasonous' enemy of the nation to comparing 'enviro-Nazis' to Osama bin Laden, likening ex-Labor Secretary Robert Reich and Service Employees International Union members to Nazi 'brownshirts' on multiple occasions, and referring to an Indianapolis teen as 'a black teenage thug who was (deservedly) beaten up' by local police," Weinstein noted.

In an e-mail, Mother Jones asked Cox to provide some context for his remarks.

"For 'context?' Or to silence me? All my comments on twitter & my blog are my own and no one else's. And I can defend them all," he replied.

Bryan Corbin, a spokesman for the Indiana attorney general's office, told the magazine that Cox's comments were "inflammatory" and would be reviewed.

"We do not condone any comments that would threaten or imply violence or intimidation toward anyone," he added.

"Individuals have the First Amendment right to post their own personal views in online forums on their own time but as public servants, state employees also should strive to conduct themselves with professionalism and appropriate decorum in their interactions with the public."

As of Wednesday morning, Cox had declined to provide further explanation for his tweets or writings on his blog.

The battle for union rights was expected to move next to Indiana, where Democratic state senators had fled the state to run out the clock on a bill that would have weakened collective bargaining.

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

Won't work.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-02-23   14:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-23   14:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

Things are getting very interesting in our country.

Things do seem to be coming to a head.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-23   14:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-23   14:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tom007 (#0)

Cool.

Maybe they'll shoot back.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-23   15:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#5)

Cool.

Maybe they'll shoot back.

Ditto. Let the shit hit the fan.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-02-23   15:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

Here's the problem, people that get handouts typically aren't the wisest people much less the ones with all of the intellectual capital.

That gives me hope. I'd rather have them as stupid, unwise, and incompetent enemies.

IMO problems are not "bound to begin". Problems are already here. My hope is that things escalate. Let's get it over with already.

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PSUSA  posted on  2011-02-23   15:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

It's highly doubtful that the goob is going to shoot their own.

I'm convinced that this whole thing is a put-up-job in Wisconsin. Were it not, the governor would have fired these people and had them jailed under USAPATRIOT.

Just a show for the rubes, my man.

If it's not, let the killing begin. Time to shit or get off the pot.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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Esso  posted on  2011-02-23   15:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#0)

Blog has been removed

Sorry, the blog at procynic.blogspot.com has been removed. This address is not available for new blogs.

http://www.procynic.blogspot.com/

It looks like he removed his blog. I suspect it will be up in a day or two after his remarks have blown over.

A typical dumb ass big government Republicrat with no critical thinking skills. He'll advocate this shit right up until the day his political enemies take control and use the precedent he wants to set to murder those on his side of the political spectrum. Then he'll scream tyranny.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-02-23   15:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Esso (#8)

“I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,” Rep. Mike Capuano (D-Ma.) told a crowd in Boston on Tuesday rallying in solidarity for Wisconsin union members.

nhjournal.com/2011/02/23/...%E2%80%98bloody%E2%80%99/

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-23   15:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#5)

Maybe they'll shoot back.

Things could get quite messy up there should that occur.

Wisconsin sold over 600,000 deer hunting licenses in 2010.

There are a lot of scoped rifles floating around that state.

And a lot of men experienced in their use.

Better off turning the guns on the international bankers and their allies.

Buzzard  posted on  2011-02-23   16:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

Maybe they'll shoot back.

Ditto. Let the shit hit the fan.

Your comment is the best solution and is bound to happen sooner or later. The whole mess is political. Corporate America has gotten us to where we're at, not only in America, but around the globe. When the first shots ring out the shit will hit the fan. I'm glad I'm not one of those bought and paid criminal politicians.

Got all the guns out, oikled them up, and checked my supply of ammo. I think it will be needed very soon.

LACUMO  posted on  2011-02-23   16:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Buzzard (#11)

Does it ever make you nervous that the left & the unions will discover what the Second Amendment is about?

DU had a discussion about guns quite a while back, and very few of those boys and girls were for turning in their firearms.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-23   16:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PSUSA (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-23   17:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: LACUMO (#12) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-23   17:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#13)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-02-23   17:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tom007 (#0)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ne...-20110223,0,4211346.story

Report: Ind. official urged cops to shoot protesters

Associated Press

2:54 p.m. CST, February 23, 2011

The Indiana attorney general's office says a deputy attorney general "is no longer employed" by the state after Mother Jones magazine reported that he had used his Twitter account to urge police to use live ammunition against Wisconsin protesters.

The magazine reported Wednesday that Jeffrey Cox had responded "Use live ammunition" to a posting on its Twitter account reporting that riot police might sweep protesters out of the Wisconsin capitol, where they have been demonstrating against labor legislation.

The Indiana attorney general's office says in a statement that while it respects employees' free speech rights, public servants are held to a "higher standard" and should "strive for civility."

The Associated Press called Indianapolis phone listings under Cox's name seeking comment, but could not locate him.

Copyright 2011 Associated Press.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2011-02-23   17:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TwentyTwelve (#17)

he had used his Twitter account to urge police to use live ammunition against Wisconsin protesters.

Bet you a sawbuck to a doughnut that those comments were no accident. That was a potential provocation.

Guy stuck his whanger out at someone's behest. Bad luck for him, he got it whacked off.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-02-23   17:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Buzzard, randge (#11)

Maybe they'll shoot back.

Things could get quite messy up there should that occur.

Wisconsin sold over 600,000 deer hunting licenses in 2010.

There are a lot of scoped rifles floating around that state.

And a lot of men experienced in their use.

Better off turning the guns on the international bankers and their allies.

thehill.com/blogs/blog-br...tle-bloody-when-necessary

Democrat urges unions to 'get a little bloody when necessary'

By Michael O'Brien - 02/23/11 07:57 AM ET

Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and "get a little bloody," a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) fired up a group of union members in Boston with a speech urging them to work down in the trenches to fend off limits to workers' rights like those proposed in Wisconsin.

"I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going," Capuano said, according to the Statehouse News. "Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary."

Political observers have been the lookout for potentially incendiary rhetoric in the wake of January's shooting in Tucson, Ariz., where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D) survived an assassination attempt, six were killed, and 12 others were injured.

On Wednesday afternoon, Capuano issued a brief apology: "I strongly believe in standing up for worker rights and my passion for preserving those rights may have gotten the best of me yesterday in an unscripted speech. I wish I had used different language to express my passion and I regret my choice of words."

Political rhetoric has become especially heated in Madison, Wis., where Republican Gov. Scott Walker has proposed major labor reforms that sparked more than a week's worth of rowdy protests at the state capitol.

"We take security seriously, whether it's for me, the lieutenant governor and all 132 members of the state legislature, Democrats or Republicans alike, because there's a lot of passion down here," Walker said Tuesday on MSNBC about his safety in Wisconsin. "And particularly when we see people coming in being bussed in from other states, that's what worries us."

Capuano made his remarks before a crowd of union members in Boston, along with other members of the state's congressional delegation. Massachusetts has an influential union population that could loom large over the 2012 Senate race. Capuano is considering getting in that race to challenge Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) next fall.

“This is going to be a struggle at least for the next two years. Let’s be serious about this. They’re not going to back down and we’re not going to back down. This is a struggle for the hearts and minds of America,” Capuano told union members.

Updated at 2:10 p.m.

Source: thehill.com/blogs/blog-br...tle-bloody-when-necessary

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2011-02-23   17:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TwentyTwelve (#17)

Thanks TT for the info.

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tom007  posted on  2011-02-23   19:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TwentyTwelve (#19)

This is a struggle for the hearts and minds of America,” Capuano told union members.

No matter which side of the fence you stand, this is the kind of "incident" we have needed all along. One that hurts the pocket-books of a powerful segment of society. Their (the teachers' union) protests have spread and have lit a tiny spark of hope in the hearts and minds of Americans. It is an issue that resonates among the poor and oppressed, the unemployed, the disenchanted, the sick and homeless, and most of all the sick and tired.

This, along with the events that are taking place in the M.E., are rekindling a long-lost sense of empowerment among the disenfranchised, disgusted and downright disillusioned American people.

The pussified puppets in power must be appalled!

I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant

angK  posted on  2011-02-23   20:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tom007 (#0)

The Deputy Attorney General has been fired by the Attorney General.

ratcat  posted on  2011-02-24   0:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tom007 (#0)

I'm not 100% sure what the protests are about, but it seems to me the legislatures and governor are trying to limit the rights of unions to negotiate. Legally I don't see how that could hold up in court if that is what they are trying to do. They have a right as an entity to negotiate with their employer just as any company or government agency has the right to negotiate the hiring of contractors. Maybe I am wrong about what this is all about. If anyone does know what it is all about I would like to know. From what I think now the protesters are in the right. It's kind of a moot point anyway since the democratic senaters are in hiding vowing not to return until republicans are ready to compromise. I hope they never come back and they just the state government down, that would be great.

This nut advocating deadly violence against peaceful protesters doesn't sound like he is playing with a full deck.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-02-24   3:40:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ratcat (#22)

The Deputy Attorney General has been fired by the Attorney General.

That is good to hear. Somehow though I don't think this nut will remain unemployed for long. He is too much of a toady for the elite to remain unemployed for long. He would make a prefect martial law leader, "just shoot 'em."

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-02-24   3:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: RickyJ (#23)

Legally I don't see how that could hold up in court if that is what they are trying to do. They have a right as an entity to negotiate with their employer just as any company or government agency has the right to negotiate the hiring of contractors.

Every notion of "law" as we've perceived it is bogus.

Rights are an illusion in the FEDERAL system and the FEDERAL system has swallowed up the states.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." - Essay in the Public Advertiser, 1749 - Samuel Adams

noone222  posted on  2011-02-24   3:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tom007, *Jack-Booted Thugs*, *libertarians* (#0)

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freepatriot32  posted on  2011-02-24   12:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: tom007 (#0)

why don't they name this Indiana 'official'' other than the last name Cox?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
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Artisan  posted on  2011-02-24   13:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TwentyTwelve (#17)

The Indiana attorney general's office says a deputy attorney general "is no longer employed" by the state after Mother Jones magazine reported that he had used his Twitter account to urge police to use live ammunition against Wisconsin protesters.

That is great stuff. The reporter who exposed this rat Cox is to be highly commended. This is great journalism., the stuff everyone should strive for.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
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Artisan  posted on  2011-02-24   13:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: RickyJ (#24)

"just shoot 'em"

It's the "Indiana" way.

The same way Indiana politicians and Indiana cops have been conditioned for decades.

Deny all Constitutional rights to citizens, deny all human and civil rights to Indiana citizens who aren't a part of the ruling class elite.

Incite violence to justify the declaration of martial law.

The Indiana way.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2011-02-24   13:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#24)

Somehow though I don't think this nut will remain unemployed for long.

Somehow I believe you are correct.

I am sure the Koch bros need a man like him on their payroll.

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tom007  posted on  2011-02-24   21:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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