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Title: Question - must we sign up for Medicare?
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Published: Mar 12, 2011
Author: me
Post Date: 2011-03-12 18:25:54 by Lod
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Views: 245
Comments: 25

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Come'on folks - some help here.

Thanks much.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-12   19:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Medicare Part A is automatic. Medicare Part B is not and you must sign up for it to get it.

However, most supplemental policies require that you be receiving Medicare Part B to use their insurance.

It is kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

At this point in time it is foolish to not sign up for it as you then cut off your nose to spite your face if you do not. It is realism over principle. Otherwise you will likely be unable to get a supplement and so you wind up with the worst of all possible worlds. This is exactly what was predicted by the opponents of Medicare when it was first passed.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-12   19:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

must we sign up for Medicare?

Lod, If you are asking if it is mandated, or an actual law, that anyone sign up for Medicare, no. There is no requirement that any Citizen volunteer into any government program. BTW, that includes Social Security. Thanks to the public school system, 99 percent of the "sheeple" don't realize when they volunteer into one of these programs, the relinquish some of their Constitutional rights, ie: convert their rights into "privileges", which are subject to revocation.

The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions. - George Carlin

Luke The Spook  posted on  2011-03-12   19:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-12   20:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So I wanted to relinquish any rights that I have on future SS...

Just don't make any claim. Yes, if you've paid into SS, you loose it. If you haven't signed up for an SSN, ie: haven't volunteered into the system, don't. If you already have volunteered, ie: have an SSN, they will not cancel it. If you ask the SS Admin, they will tell you that you are NOT required to have an SSN to work in the USSA, BUT, if you want to claim any "benefits" you will need one. You could wait until you want to make a claim, when you're 100, and then get a number, I suppose.

The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions. - George Carlin

Luke The Spook  posted on  2011-03-12   22:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks, guys.

I guess that I'll pass on the Medicare program.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-12   22:10:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would encourage you to think it through. You only get one chance to sign up for Part B and if you do not you're screwed under the current system. I agree it is not optimal, but unless you are willing, and able, to self insure it is a hollow gesture and very possibly one that could, if something unfortunate happens, beggar you. If you have a retiree plan I would check with them and the odds are that they will require you to participate in Medicare Part B in order to maintain your retiree plan after age 65 - that is pretty standard any more.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-12   22:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, that sounds about right . isnt there though,a certain enrollment period of a specific time frame, annually?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-12   23:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for all the input here.

4 is the best forum, period.

I have no retirement plan.

All that I have is housing and farm-land rental income. Thank the Lord.

But, from what everyone has said, I need to sign up.

I'll also keep the sidearms ready to take care of me if things go badly. ;_)

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-12   23:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

isnt there though,a certain enrollment period of a specific time frame, annually?

That is for Medicare Part C the Prescription Drug Plan. And they penalize you if you don't sign up as soon as you become eligible.

Medicare Part B is the one you get one chance for at the time that you sign up for your SS benefit check. If you don't sign up for it then that's it. Too bad.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-12   23:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You pays your money and you takes your chances. For what its worth I hope it goes well for you.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-12   23:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks - I'll keep researching...the odometer doesn't click over until late October, this year.

Surely, I can find out something to do, or not, by then.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-12   23:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thanks for the clarification.i know all this gibberish is very involved & quite confusing.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-12   23:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have spent more time with it than most. I took care of my Mom so I had to learn it for her, and then I worked on several studies on Medicare C to find out why people didn't understand it (it was all explained in governmentese).

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-12   23:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm looking too. It is grim in the job market right now.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-12   23:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Mrs.L just suggested to ask our pharmacists about it...makes sense here since they have to deal with it every day.

I am gonzo - manana, everyone.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-12   23:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-13   15:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-13   15:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-13   15:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-13   15:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Medicare Part B is the one you get one chance for at the time that you sign up for your SS benefit check. If you don't sign up for it then that's it. Too bad.

When I tried for SS at age 62, I was told that I had too much earned income to qualify.

Now if my brother and I cash rent the farm land, instead of going on the halves with our tenants, that will magically become unearned income.

Our tax laws are beyond insane.

Last year I learned that bad debts to relatives are not a deductible event.

Effers.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-13   15:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Doesn't this whole thing become essentially moot upon the new "healthcare" legislation anyway?

I mean if everyone has to have health insurance, presumably Medicare will be replaced, no?

Who knows what our heroes in deecee, or in the courts, will do about bozo-care?

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-13   15:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Our tax laws are beyond insane.

That is because they were written by the insane.

However, there is a method to their madness. The very upper tier has a lot of escape and avoidance routes whereas it keeps the middle and working class from being able to accumulate generational wealth that is passed down. The apparent anomalies such as a Bill Gates exist because they were allowed to build their wealth. And the Forbes 400 is disinformation. The wealthiest of all do not even show up on it. The insider trading laws and such exist to take down those, such as a Michael Millkin, who have not been invited or allowed into the upper tier.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-13   16:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who knows what our heroes in deecee, or in the courts, will do about bozo-care?

At this point that is being fought out. It is clearly unconstitutional but the Rothschilds and the rest of the Upper Crust Crumbs need and want it for their Eugenics/Population Reduction programs. So, it will be interesting to see how they try to find in Constitutional.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-13   16:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi Lod,

This inquiry should have been posted under "whistling past the graveyard".

And as for Medicare or any other Federal entitlement, you may be better served by "pre-ordering a shopping cart and cardboard box" for your future residence.

My humble suggestion is to begin planning early for retirement by saving "real assets" such as precious medals, real estate, etc. and never, never depend on a "political promise" when your existence and dignity are at stake.

None other than FDR said Social Security revenues "are collected in the form of taxes...held by the government solely for the benefit of the worker in his old age." Roosevelt added: "We put those payroll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral and political right to collect their pensions."

This rhetoric is as warm as a fireside. Too bad the notion of guaranteed benefits - like so many of Social Security's supposed advantages - is all wet.

Americans actually have no property rights to their Social Security "contributions." Unlike private pension funds, which actually belong to workers, Americans have no legal claim on the money Uncle Sam theoretically salts away for their golden years.

This startling news broke 39 years ago in the case of Fleming v. Nestor. Bulgarian immigrant Ephram Nestor was deported in 1956 for being a Communist in the 1930s. After Congress prohibited Social Security benefits for deportees in 1954, Nestor sued. He claimed title to his FICA tax payments between 1936 and 1955. The Supreme Court disagreed. As it ruled, "To engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of 'accrued property rights' would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands."

This decision reflected the Court's precedent in Helvering v. Davis. In 1937, it ruled that Social Security taxes "are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way." (It's Not Your Money: Americans Have no Right to Social Security Benefits by Deroy Murdock June 22, 1999)

Otto von Bismarck, chancellor of Germany from 1871 to 1890, an aristocrat, a monarchist, and a Prussian nationalist, put in place the first social security system in 1889 in Germany. The U.S. Social Security Administration, on its website, traces its intellectual roots to Bismarck and to the 19th century European idea of the welfare state. Despite his impeccable right-wing credentials, Bismarck would be called a socialist for introducing these programs, as would President Roosevelt 70 years later. In his own speech to the Reichstag during the 1881 debates, Bismarck would reply: "Call it socialism or whatever you like. It is the same to me." (http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/ottob.html)

Bismarck hated communism. His motive in introducing socialized medicine in Germany was to buy the loyalty of the German masses as a means of keeping them from becoming communists. Bismarck adopted "nationalistic socialism to end international socialism"-- to use his own words. To use other words, Bismarck was thefirst leader of a great nation to fight communism by adopting communism. (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc., A Voice for Private Physicians Since 1943 Omnia pro aegroto, “Socialized Medicine” By Dan Smoot ..Reprinted in 2000 from The Freeman, April, 1960, with the permission of the Foundation for Economic Education, Irvington-on-Hudson, NY 10533)

Yours in Observing Any Wonder Congress Opts Out of SS Taxes?,

Patrick

In effect, it’s (The Holacaust Inc.) become like a grotesque doll wielded by witch doctors, used to keep individuals from asking too many questions, from thinking for themselves and stepping out of line.

PatrickHenry  posted on  2011-03-13   18:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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