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Title: tom007 says nothing but a blow out of the containment structure could have caused the massive explosion in the Japanese reactor...
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Published: Mar 13, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-03-13 03:15:14 by tom007
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Comments: 39

What, a pump or a circuit breaker???

This was a MASSIVE EXPLOSION after they dumped ocean water into the reactor's core.

There seems to be no KaI pills in Vallarta.

Ceasium

I s not animal friendly.

The containmemt structure must have blown.

Hope I am wrong.

Posted from a droid in Vallarta.

Tell me why I am wrong.....Please.

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

They're claiming it was a build up of hydrogen gas because of the cooling water being boiled away. However, 2 other reactors are now beginning to go the same way. It's not looking pretty.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-13   3:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1) (Edited)

it was hydrogen.

It is a build up by product.

as the rods lose the water level.. (the water lowers.) that nasty electrolys thing happens....

presure builds and if not released BOOM!!!!

at which point everything else inside blasts out...

but I could be wrong

titorite  posted on  2011-03-13   3:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tom007, titorite, Original_Intent, all (#0)

For reference:


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-13   3:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

www.drudgereport.com/


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-13   4:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wudidiz (#3)

Thanks...yaup... that was hydrogen. You can tell by that shock wave... I have experimented with HHO wetcells ...made a mistake once. it is loud and scary and over quick.

titorite  posted on  2011-03-13   4:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tom007 (#0)

Ceasium

I s not animal friendly.

The containmemt structure must have blown.

Hope I am wrong.

It seems that the cesium has leaked from the secondary containment. The primary vessel has not yet been breached. According to the experts, if a primary vessel goes, there will be no debate about what has happened.

We may have dodged a bullet here, but this thing is not over yet. There are still other reactors in trouble. The following is the most descriptive summary of the situation that I have seen to date.

Update on Fukushima Reactor

| by Ed Lyman | by Dave Lochbaum | nuclear power | nuclear power safety |
Update at 11pm EST Saturday 3/12/11:

On Saturday March 12 at 3:36 pm local time (1:36 am EST) an explosion occurred in the Unit 1 reactor building at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. (Original reports suggested that the explosion took place in an adjacent turbine building, but we no longer believe this is the case.)

The explosion was very likely a hydrogen explosion. Hydrogen apparently collected somewhere in the reactor building outside of the primary containment (see diagram below). The primary containment consists of the drywell and the wetwell. The top section of the reactor building, known as the refueling bay, has walls of sheet metal, in contrast to the concrete walls of the lower part of the building. The pressure caused by a large enough explosion anywhere in the reactor building would have caused the sides of the refueling bay to blow out since that is the weakest part of the structure and is not designed to withstand high pressures.

The hydrogen was likely produced by the hot fuel. All signs are consistent with the fact that some fuel damage has occurred at Fukushima Unit 1. Last night (U.S. time) the plant owner, TEPCO, reported that the water level had dropped below the top of the fuel by nearly six feet. This means that roughly half of each fuel rod was exposed. The fuel rods are clad in zirconium, and a few minutes after the water level dropped below the top of the fuel, the zirconium would have become hot enough to react with the surrounding steam and produce hydrogen.

The reactor core is in the reactor vessel, or pressure vessel, which is surrounded by a steel containment vessel. The steel containment vessel is surrounded by a reinforced concrete shell. The explosion took place outside of this shell. It is not clear whether the concrete shell was damaged in the explosion, but the steel containment vessel was reportedly not damaged.

The control room and many of the control and power cables for the emergency equipment used to cool the reactor core are located outside the primary containment, and the extent to which the explosion impaired these vital functions is not known at this time.

Radioactive releases and iodine tablets

Once the water level in the reactor core drops to the point where the fuel is exposed, the zirconium cladding would begin to erode and after about an hour, this would release some radioactive material—primarily noble gases, iodine-131 and cesium-137. (During normal operation, this material accumulates in the gap between the fuel and the cladding.) Some of this material could have been released by the controlled venting, which could explain the cesium detected at the plant boundary.

In addition, the primary containment in this type of reactor typically has a leak rate of about 1% of its volume per day. The secondary containment (the walls of the reactor building) is important since it keeps any leaked radioactive gas from escaping into the environment. The secondary containment is kept at a negative pressure with respect to the outside so that air inside does not leak out. The air in the building is then sent through filters to remove the radiation before it is released through the stack. With the walls blown off the top of the reactor building, this radioactive gas would instead be released directly into the air.

Thus, contrary to some news reports, the detection of cesium outside the reactor does not necessarily indicate that the primary containment has been breached.

Iodine-131 is one of the most radioactive isotopes released in a nuclear accident. It has a half-life of 8 days, meaning half of it will have decayed after 8 days, and half of that in another 8 days, etc. Therefore, it is of greatest concern in the days and weeks following an accident. It is also volatile so will spread easily. In the human body, iodine is taken up by the thyroid, and becomes concentrated there, where it can lead to thyroid cancer in later life. Children who are exposed to iodine-131 are more likely than adults to get cancer later in life. To guard against the absorption of iodione-131, people can proactively take potassium iodine pills so the thyroid becomes saturated with non-radioactive iodine and is not able to absorb any iodine-131

Cesium-137 is another radioactive isotope that has been released. It has a half-life of about 30 years, so will take more than a century to decay by a significant amount. Living organisms treat cesium-137 as if it was potassium, and it becomes part of the fluid electrolytes and is eventually excreted. Cesium-137 is passed up the food chain. It can cause many different types of cancer

What next?

The cooling systems for the Unit 1 reactor have not been operating and, as the core heats up, the water surrounding the fuel has evaporated to the point where the fuel becomes exposed to the air. Unless there is a way to replace the water the fuel will continue to heat up.

To attempt to cool the reactor, TEPCO has been pumping sea water into the reactor vessel. Since this is very corrosive and will seriously damage the reactor, this is an option of last resort and indicates that they do not expect to get the cooling systems back online.

Reports note that boric acid is being added with the sea water. Boric acid is a soluable form of boron, which is very good at absorbing neutrons. By adding this to the water around the fuel rods, it would capture neutrons that could otherwise cause additional atoms to fission. This is being added to the reactor to make sure it does not become critical again, which might happen in two ways: (1) fuel rod damage that results in fuel rod segments dropping to the bottom of the reactor vessel, where they could form a critical mass, or (2) withdrawals of the control rods caused by malfunctions of the hydraulic control units that move the control rods in and out of the core.

Recent reports state TEPCO has succeeded in filling the reactor vessel with water, which would mean the fuel rods are no longer exposed to air. But some form of cooling will still be required.

Union of Concerned Scientists

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-03-13   10:44:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#6)

Good info, randge, but when I clicked the link, I got this

"Not found

We couldn't find the page you were looking for.

Feel free to contact support if there's anything we can help you find."


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-13   14:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tom007 (#0)

Tell me why I am wrong.....Please.

Reports say you are wrong. Hydrogen released on purpose from the reactor exploded in the building surrounding the sealed reactor. They have been venting radioactive gasses on purpose to reduce the pressure in the reactors to hopefully stop a meltdown from occurring.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-03-13   14:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#0) (Edited)

Posted from a droid in Vallarta.

Where is Vallarta? Too lazy to google. hehe

Nevermind. I see you went behind enemy lines.:)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-03-13   14:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#6)

Thanks for #6

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-03-13   15:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge, Original_Intent, Lod (#6)

#6

The explosion took place outside of this shell. It is not clear whether the concrete shell was damaged in the explosion, but the steel containment vessel was reportedly not damaged.

The control room and many of the control and power cables for the emergency equipment used to cool the reactor core are located outside the primary containment, and the extent to which the explosion impaired these vital functions is not known at this time.

===========================================

The two damage assessments are directly contradictory.

(Yes they know, but no, they don't. Either they DO know the damage extent, or no they DO NOT know it.)

What I get out of this is they have no idea if there is exterior core wall damage, to what extent, and exactly how much or how advanced any ongoing meltdown has occurred.

In other words, the radiation is so hot they can't assess the damage?

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-03-13   15:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: wudidiz (#7)

Good info, randge, but when I clicked the link, I got this

"Not found

We couldn't find the page you were looking for.

I got this off another site where this was reposted from the UCS. I tried to link to the original, but I goofed up the link.

This works, but their site is tied up with traffic, and you may get a "We'll be back shortly" message.

allthingsnuclear.org/post...e-on-fukushima-reactor%3C

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-03-13   15:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: RickyJ (#9)

Vallarta

Mexico, on the Pacific coast, about 200 miles south of the tropic of cancer.

We had a small tusami scare here.

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tom007  posted on  2011-03-14   1:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tom007, original_intent (#0)

seems to be no Kal pills in Vallarta

what is kal pills? from what OI said one needs potassium niacin & iodine. right?

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Artisan  posted on  2011-03-14   2:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#14)

He gave the Chemical formula Ka for Potassium "I" for iodine. There are two forms Potassium Iodate and Potassium iodide. You wand Potassium Iodide as your body absorbs it more readily with fewer side effects. There is a new one out that is supposedly easier for your body to use called NutrioDine but I can't vouch for it from personal experience and it is expensive. Naturally occurring iodine is also found in Kelp the one used by health food junkies is Dulce which is a type of Norwegian Kelp harvest from the North Sea. I don't know how much you would have to eat though to get enough iodine.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-14   3:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent, Artisan (#15)

www.naturalhealthtechniqu...diet_nutrition/iodine.htm

www.rense.com/general93/potass.htm


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#17. To: Tom007, All (#16)

ping to above


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-14   4:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent, Artisan, Tom007, randge, Eric Stratton, titorite, GreyLmist, christine, Lod, space beam crowd, legitimate nuts, all (#15)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_iodide

Thyroid protection due to nuclear accidents and emergencies

SSKI may be used in radioiodine-contamination emergencies (i.e., nuclear accidents) to "block" the thyroid's uptake of radioiodine (this is not the same as blocking the thyroid's release of thyroid hormone).

Potassium iodide was approved in 1982 by the US FDA to protect the thyroid glands from radioactive iodine from accidents or fission emergencies. In the event of an accident or attack at a nuclear power plant, or fallout from a nuclear bomb, volatile fission product radionuclides may be released, of which 131I is one of the most common by-products and a particularly dangerous one due to thyroid gland concentration of it, which may lead to thyroid cancer. By saturating the body with a source of stable iodide prior to exposure, inhaled or ingested 131I tends to be excreted.

Potassium iodide cannot protect against any other causes of radiation poisoning, nor can it provide any degree of protection against dirty bombs that produce radionuclides other than isotopes of iodine. See fission products and the external links for more details concerning radionuclides.
WHO Recommended Dosage for Radiological Emergencies involving radioactive iodine[21]
AgeKI in mg
Over 12 years old130
3 – 12 years old65
1 – 36 months old32
< 1 month old16

[edit] Historical use and analysis

Following the Chernobyl nuclear reactor disaster in April, 1986, a saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI) was administered to 10.5 million children and 7 million adults in Poland[22] as a prophylactic measure against accumulation of radioactive iodine-131 in the thyroid gland. People in the areas immediately surrounding Chernobyl itself, however, were not given the supplement.[23]

Potassium iodide’s (KI) value as a radiation protective (thyroid blocking) agent was demonstrated at the time of the Chernobyl nuclear accident when Soviet authorities distributed it in a 30 km zone around the plant. The purpose was to protect residents from radioactive iodine, a highly carcinogenic material found in nuclear reactors which had been released by the damaged reactor. Only a limited amount of KI was available, but those who received it were protected. Later, the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) reported, “thousands of measurements of I-131 (radioactive iodine) activity...suggest that the observed levels were lower than would have been expected had this prophylactic measure not been taken. The use of KI...was credited with permissible iodine content in 97% of the evacuees tested.”[24]

Poland, 300 miles from Chernobyl, also distributed KI to protect its population. Approximately 18 million doses were distributed, with follow-up studies showing no known thyroid cancer among KI recipients.[25] With the passage of time, people living in irradiated areas where KI was not available have developed thyroid cancer at epidemic levels, which is why the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reported “The data clearly demonstrate the risks of thyroid radiation...KI can be used [to] provide safe and effective protection against thyroid cancer caused by irradiation.[26]

Chernobyl also demonstrated that the need to protect the thyroid from radiation was greater than expected. Within ten years of the accident, it became clear that thyroid damage caused by released radioactive iodine was virtually the only adverse health effect that could be measured. As reported by the NRC, studies after the accident showed that “As of 1996, except for thyroid cancer, there has been no confirmed increase in the rates of other cancers, including leukemia, among the...public, that have been attributed to releases from the accident.”[27]

But equally important to the question of KI is the fact that radiation releases are not “local” events. Researchers at the World Health Organization accurately located and counted the cancer victims from Chernobyl and were startled to find that “the increase in incidence [of thyroid cancer] has been documented up to 500 km from the accident site...significant doses from radioactive iodine can occur hundreds of kilometers from the site, beyond emergency planning zones."[21] Consequently, far more people than anticipated were affected by the radiation, which caused the United Nations to report in 2002 that “The number of people with thyroid cancer...has exceeded expectations. Over 11,000 cases have already been reported.”[28]

These findings were consistent with studies of the effects of previous radiation releases. In 1945, millions of Japanese were exposed to radiation from nuclear weapons, and the effects can still be measured. Today, nearly half (44.8%) the survivors of Nagasaki studied have identifiable thyroid disease, with the American Medical Association reporting “it is remarkable that a biological effect from a single brief environmental exposure nearly 60 years in the past is still present and can be detected.”[29] This, as well as the development of thyroid cancer among residents in the North Pacific from radioactive fallout following the United States' nuclear weapons testing in the 1950s (on islands nearly 200 miles downwind of the tests) were instrumental in the decision by the FDA in 1978 to issue a request for the availability of KI for thyroid protection in the event of a release from a commercial nuclear power plant or weapons-related nuclear incident. Noting that KI’s effectiveness was “virtually complete” and finding that iodine in the form of potassium iodide (KI) was substantially superior to other forms including iodate (KIO3) in terms of safety, effectiveness, lack of side effects, and speed of onset, the FDA invited manufacturers to submit applications to produce and market KI.[30]

Today, three companies (Anbex, Inc., Fleming Co, and Recip of Sweden) have met the strict FDA requirements for manufacturing and testing of KI, and they offer products (IOSAT, ThyroShield, and Thyro-Safe, respectively) which are available for purchase. The Swedish manufacturing facility for Thyrosafe, a potassium iodide tablet for thyroid protection from radiation manufactured by Recipharm AB, was mentioned on the secret US 2008 Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative leaked by Wikileaks in 2010.[31]

[edit] Adverse reactions

There have been some reports of potassium iodide treatment causing swelling of the parotid gland (one of the three glands which secrete saliva), due to its stimulatory effects on saliva production.[32]

A saturated solution of KI (SSKI) is typically given orally in adult doses of about 250 mg iodide several times a day (5 drops of SSKI assumed to be U1; mL) for thyroid blockage and occasionally as an expectorant. At these doses, and sometimes at much lower doses, side effects may include: acne, loss of appetite, or upset stomach (especially during the first several days, as the body adjusts to the medication). More severe side effects which require notification of a physician are: fever, weakness, unusual tiredness, swelling in the neck or throat, mouth sores, skin rash, nausea, vomiting, stomach pains, irregular heartbeat, numbness or tingling of the hands or feet, or a metallic taste in the mouth.[33]

[edit] Precautions

Mild irritant, wear gloves. Chronic overexposure can have adverse effects on the thyroid. Potassium iodide is a possible teratogen.


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-14   4:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: wudidiz (#18)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-14   8:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#14)

Kai should have been Ka I, potassium Iodide pills. Leearning the Android keypad, sorry.

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tom007  posted on  2011-03-15   0:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tom007 (#0)

www.allvoices.com/contrib...pan-new-radiation-warning

Japan: new radiation warning

TMkyM : Japan | Mar 14, 2011

The Japanese authorities claimed that radiation levels have reached levels high enough to affect human health after a new explosion and fire at the nuclear plant damaged on Friday by the earthquake and tsunami in the northeast Japan.

In a televised news conference, Prime Minister Naoto KanNaoto Kan, said that all people 20 kilometers from the plant will leave the area immediately.

Those who are up to 30 kilometers, must remain in their homes.

Many people have already been evacuated, as well as some of the workers of the plant.

Japan has asked for international assistance while trying to cool the reactors. U.S. Nuclear Regulatory said they have been asked sobrecómolidiar conlasituación expertise, as well as the Atomic Energy Agency

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2011-03-15   0:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wudidiz, original_intent, eric stratton (#18)

what does the bottle say? potassium? ka1? iodite? iodine? iodate? None of the bottles or brands out of the hundreds said any of those whatsoever, & nothing was sold out.

potassium iodide, or Iodate, or iodade(??) or potassium glucomate, which is the only sort of 'potassium' the store carries. i had a chance to stop in a walmart at 2am in the middle of f'kin nowhere & this is all jibberish. what do we take for the nuke?

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Artisan  posted on  2011-03-17   6:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: wudidiz (#18)

ok. iodine in the form if iodide is better than iodate. sure, makes perfect sense now.(guffaw)

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2011-03-17   7:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#22)

Potassium Iodide tablets.

Also: Kelp, dulce, spirulina, chlorella, rosemary, cilantro, apples, lemons, baking soda...


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-17   8:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Artisan (#22)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-17   9:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz, eric stratton (#24)

i dont think there is such a product available for sale in the uniited states. eric have you checked anywhere else for these alleged potasium ioDIDE tablets? And. is potassium glocomate the same? or. what? because walmart has TONS of potasium glocomate

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2011-03-17   11:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Artisan (#26)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-17   11:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#25)

all the iodine we need

thats the freakin problem.according to above,we dont need iodine. we need IODIDE.wtf is the difference,i dont know,but id say a smaller % of people are gonna try to figger out this jibberish than the 1% that fights traffic tickets.Noones gonna takeanyofit

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2011-03-17   11:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Artisan (#22)

i had a chance to stop in a walmart at 2am in the middle of f'kin nowhere & this is all jibberish. what do we take for the nuke?

Potassium IODIDE. Which should only be used during a radiologic emergency and it only protects the thyroid and doesn't make you radiation proof.

However you can also use natural supplements to build up the iodine level in your thyroid so it won't take up radioactive Iodine 131. The reason for the precaution is that most people are deficient in iodine so the thyroid, being a slut, will reach out and take up promiscuously any iodine available. So the supplement satiating its desire for iodine is just as readily laid in.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-17   11:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)

what if u take potassium IODIDE & there isnt actually radiation in the air, what will happen, & have u evere seen a store that carries it? lastly, why is it called iodide if you then refer to it as iodine? what is the difference?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-17   12:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Eric Stratton (#27)

ok. i do believe there is radiation danger, which is why i was pissed when what i expected to be a simple shopping trip turned into a research project which gave me a headache.Im not dumb so if i dont get it,no one will. they wont seek out clarification.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-17   12:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Artisan (#28)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-17   14:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Artisan (#31)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-17   14:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Artisan (#28) (Edited)

.according to above,we dont need iodine. we need IODIDE.wtf is the difference

Iodine is the element, whereas iodide is what is found in nature, having formed an ionic bond with a metal such as potassium.

There are various other compounds formed with iodine.

Here's more info...

Iodine


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-03-17   14:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Artisan, tom007, original_intent (#14)

what is kal pills?

It's not kal, it's KI (K is the symbol for potassium, and I is the symbol for iodine).

KI is the symbolic representation of the ionic compound, potassium iodide.

The suffix "ide" in iodide indicates that it is a simple ionic compound and doesn't contain oxygen.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-03-17   15:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Artisan (#30)

The change in the word ending on Iodine to Iodide is a chemical convention denoting a binary atomic bond in a non-metallic or more electro-negative elements/groups.

You shouldn't use Potassium Iodide unless there is reason to believe that I 131 is present. Otherwise you are better off with a natural supplement to boost your thyroid's Iodine levels. Too much Iodine, while it is a necessary micro-nutrient for proper glandular function, can quickly become toxic. The old saying is "the dose makes the poison". That is very true with Iodine. Your body does need a certain small amount but beyond that small amount it increasingly becomes toxic.

From what I have been reading Potassium Iodide is in short supply due to panic buying. That is one of the reasons I'm suggesting natural supplements - both because it is available and of course because your body handles it better and you are not likely to build up toxic levels.

Remember The White Rose
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Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-17   15:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent, formerlurker (#36)

thanks for the info. So potassium gluconate would be good to take now, because that helps your thyroid even though it doesnt contain iodine?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-18   1:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Artisan (#37)

thanks for the info. So potassium gluconate would be good to take now, because that helps your thyroid even though it doesnt contain iodine?

You're welcome.

Potassium is an essential blood electrolyte and most people do not get enough in their diet. You can take a Potassium supplement for a quick boost or eat more foods rich in natural Potassium. Bananas are a good one. However, you still need adequate levels of iodine in your diet to support proper thyroid and glandular function. Iodized salt works and Sea Salt has naturally occurring iodine. I use Sea Salt for most of my seasoning. The Kelp tablets/capsules are another good source of naturally occurring iodine which is readily taken up by the thyroid. The reason for Potassium Iodide is simply, as I mentioned before, because most people are iodine deficient and once the thyroid has enough built up for its needs it will cease to uptake radioactive iodine in the environment. However, Potassium Iodide is not a magic bullet since it only protects against radioactive iodine exposure and not any other type of radioactivity such as cesium and plutonium.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-18   1:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: wudidiz, eric stratton, formerlurker, *Japan Nuke disasterFukushima* (#18)

i started a Japan nuke list to keep an orderly record of pertinent info. Join if interested. I've found that a lot of good data for reference disappears or is lost without an orderly file system.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-23   18:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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