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Title: Social security - an email reply to Alan Simpson, Senator from Wyoming
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Published: Mar 16, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-03-16 14:03:15 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 71

Alan Simpson, Senator from Wyoming , Co-Chair of Obama's deficit Commission, calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he Compared "Social Security" to a Milk Cow with 310 million teats. August, 2010.

Here's a response in a letter from a unknown fellow in Montana .... I Think he is a little ticked off ! He also tells it like it is! "Hey Alan, let's get a few things straight...

1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole for FIFTY YEARS.

2. I have been paying Social Security taxes for 48 YEARS (since I was 15 Years old. I am now 63).

3. My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for Decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for votes, thus Bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme That would have made Bernie Madoff proud.

4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and your ilk pulled the Proverbial football away from millions of American seniors nearing Retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to Age 67. NOW, you and your shill commission is proposing to move the Goalposts YET AGAIN.

5. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying into Medicare From Day One, and now you morons propose to change the rules of the Game. Why? Because you idiots mismanaged other parts of the economy to Such an extent that you need to steal money from Medicare to pay the Bills.

6. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying income taxes our Entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again. Why? Because you incompetent bastards spent our money so profligately that You just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come To the American taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.

To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bullshit" on Your incompetence. Well, Captain Bullshit, I have a few questions for YOU.

1. How much money have you earned from the American taxpayers during Your pathetic 50-year political career?

2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and How much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the American taxpayers?

3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?

4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you Proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or, as usual, Have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?

It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators who are "greedy". It is you and they who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for What? Votes. That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America For the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You Know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.

And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch."

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#5. To: Jethro Tull, Phant2000 (#0)

It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators who are "greedy". It is you and they who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for What? Votes. That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America For the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You Know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.

The ballot box and voting have proven to be the best control of the masses ever envisioned.

I have hoped for a long time that this SOB would be run over by a mile long, slow moving train.

The miserable olde bastard. Citizen Tull needs to consult with the Grim Reaper.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-16   14:53:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#5)

The ballot box and voting have proven to be the best control of the masses ever envisioned.

I have hoped for a long time that this SOB would be run over by a mile long, slow moving train.

Again, you remind us NOT to vote or be part of the problem if we do!

As for Simpson, if hope could have rid us of him, he would have been gone long ago. Then again, look what "hope" got all those who voted for buttwheat! Trouble is, even those who didn't vote for buttwheat, or didn't vote at all, have to suffer the consequences of those who did vote for the bastard.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-03-16   17:07:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Phant2000 (#14)

Then again, look what "hope" got all those who voted for buttwheat! Trouble is, even those who didn't vote for buttwheat, or didn't vote at all, have to suffer the consequences of those who did vote for the bastard.

Only one thing matters to the ruling elite, that is that the government remains a legitimate system, voted for in a "free" election by the masses.

The fact that the entire process on the Federal level is rigged seems to be of no interest.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-16   20:12:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#19) (Edited)

Only one thing matters to the ruling elite, that is that the government remains a legitimate system, voted for in a "free" election by the masses.

We haven't had a legitimate government in my lifetime. That the process is rigged is only encouraged by the citizens of this country continuing to vote.

I have also had to admit during my lifetime that there is no difference between Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or whomever. Whoever ends up in the elected office was not put there by the voters, but by the evildoers. Hence, the reason nothing changes, except for the worse.

I can remember discussing the corruption of politics, politicians and the system of Mexico. Now I have to admit that I look at the very same thing in this country. We have not evolved by letting the evildoers have their way, unless you consider going backwards "incremental change over time".

Phant2000  posted on  2011-03-16   20:27:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Phant2000 (#20)

We have not evolved by letting the evildoers have their way

Surrendering our electoral process to them uncontested doesn't seem to be the best way to go, imo.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-03-16   20:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#22)

Surrendering our electoral process to them uncontested doesn't seem to be the best way to go, imo.

The Founding Fathers bled and died for a reason.

They had tried "reform" for years but the King did not listen.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-16   21:01:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#24)

The Founding Fathers bled and died for a reason.

They had tried "reform" for years but the King did not listen.

I'm all for closing our electoral process to Unconstitutionals. Surrendering it to them, no.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-03-16   22:13:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GreyLmist (#27)

Surrendering it to them, no.

It was surrendered a long time ago.

The current generations are simply rubber stamping the legitimacy of this government.

Roosevelt was elected four times, the last time he did not campaign and the voters retained him in office. Term limits did result from that. However term limits for Congress have all died on the vine.

Voting makes one a part of the system, legitimizing this government.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-16   22:23:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#29) (Edited)

Voting makes one a part of the system, legitimizing this government.

Not voting does what besides give them carte blanche with less paperwork and aggravation? Stepping aside so they can usurp our system unopposed doesn't exonerate non-voters from aiding and abetting their ransackings, imo. Do you have another suggestion short of war? I think what we need to do, for starters, is to hold our own elections for a Congress of Constitutionalists only.

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-03-16   23:05:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#30)

Not voting does what besides give them carte blanche with less paperwork and aggravation?

Reversing the question for an answer....

A large majority of eligible Americans have always voted. They have had their choice of government, past and present. Add a minority voting for one of two preselected people would have changed what???? Nothing, not a thing.

For nearly 80 years the Russians had a near 100 per cent participation by voters in a compulsory voting law, for preselected winners. Nothing changed by voting, the country collapsed, only to be bailed out by the West.

Interesting side note that I was taught 50 years ago. Accepting a given that over 80 million Americans do not vote, how many of the total number of voters do not actually vote for higher offices?????

The number of voters going to the polls never equals the total vote for President. As people vote, going from local to county to state to Federal, the actual number of votes DECREASES as we go up the ladder.

Of the patriotic voters that trek to the polls, MANY DO NOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT. THEY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE NO REAL CHOICE.

Many of the people that vote understand the system is stacked and to register their quiet opposition, they vote but do not vote.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   5:08:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#37)

A large majority of eligible Americans have always voted. They have had their choice of government, past and present. Add a minority voting for one of two preselected people would have changed what???? Nothing, not a thing.

Goldwater would have changed things, same goes for Wallace, Perot, Buchanan and Paul. The problem isn't so much the system, but rather the proportion of those who choose to participate. The left, manipulated by Soros and the corporate media, are wining the day with their candidates. Members of forums like this should know better than to be blinded by their lies. The right thinking people in the right positions can damage their agenda. To quit, or to act sanctimonious toward the efforts of the average political trench fighter, isn't a position serious men or woman should take. Quitting isn't an option as the left advances. We are not an army, but rather snipers at this moment in time.

2big2fail  posted on  2011-03-17   5:38:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: 2big2fail, Phant2000 (#38)

To quit, or to act sanctimonious toward the efforts of the average political trench fighter, isn't a position serious men or woman should take. Quitting isn't an option as the left advances.

Quit, I did.

Sanctimonious???? Not by desire nor intent, rather an approach with a view being expressed, that was honed from near six decades of "voting".

I supported and voted for Goldwater, perhaps you did also. Working for the government at the time, I was the ONLY one in my department that did.

It was made plain at the time that I was not overly bright, however, when the flow of body bags became never ending, it was impossible to find anyone that had voted for Johnson.

Anyone that was paying attention at the time, 1952, arrived at one conclusion, the system was fixed so that the masses ALWAYS VOTED as the people in control desired. Both major parties wanted Ike to lead their ticket. How was that possible?

The Dems were for the working man, for labor, the Pubs were for capital, the investor.

One answer, Baruch a dem, decided Ike should run as a pub.

The masses lose everytime.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   9:08:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#42)

the masses vote this way or that according to whom? i believe that vote fraud exists and has for many decades. it, like the news, and the economy is controlled and manipulated.

now, there's two schools of thought on this. we can take it back either by refusing to participate en masse or we can take it back by massive numbers voting 3rd party. nothing inbetween will work, imho.

the fact that so many are dependent on welfare and entitlement programs, and/or a paycheck from both federal and state governments makes it extremely unlikely that americans will eschew the establishment parties.

i have often heard Lindsey Williams say that within 2 yrs, 80% of us will be working for government. we already know that government has its tentacles in just about every industry directly or indirectly, so i think we're there now.

christine  posted on  2011-03-17   10:51:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: christine (#46)

the masses vote this way or that according to whom?

Masses vote as programmed by the ruling elite (money power).

Example...

Last go around Ron Paul was the ONLY VIABLE AMERICAN RUNNING.

You, I and a few others understood his message, but the masses cheered endlessly for, Romney, McCain etc etc.

Our "choice" came down to McCain or Obama, so 130 million voters went to the polls and voted for someone. Paul was not there. Paul was laffed off stage, ridiculed by MSM and his own party.

Result??????????? The war goes on, young Americans dying for nothing, endless debt.

Once again, 130 million voters gave legitimacy to this corrupt government. Piecemeal reform is not worth considering. Already many of the teabaggers are turning colors.

Voting for a system controlled from the top is exactly what is desired and the masses agree, I did my duty. Did they really????

Lets say the missing 80 million had voted, what do you think the outcome would have been???

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   11:23:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#48)

The wars end tomorrow if the kids joining take the time to learn 1/10th of what you know. In their case it's buyer beware because their being sold a pile of horse shit while being told it's ice cream.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-17   13:56:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull, Christine, Phant2000 (#52)

Lets say the missing 80 million had voted, what do you think the outcome would have been???

For the sake of discerning human nature, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED????????????

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   14:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#53)

For the sake of discerning human nature, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED????????????

What has this to do with the kids who volunteer to be cannon fodder?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-17   15:24:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#56)

What has this to do with the kids who volunteer to be cannon fodder?

????????????????????????

Not a thing.

I was asking a hypothetical question about what might have been the outcome of the election had the 80 million voted.

"For the sake of discerning human nature, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED???????????? "

There was no mention of the kids.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   15:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#58)

My #52 to you had nothing to do with elections or voting. It had to do with the underlings who willingly serve the Empire. This must stop. I simply wasn't sure where you were coming from w/ the number of people who don't vote.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-17   15:51:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#59)

This must stop. I simply wasn't sure where you were coming from w/ the number of people who don't vote.

It was a hypothetical question, addressed to people that I considered would give it some thot and a reasoned view.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   16:20:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#60)

WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED???????????? "

It depends on who they voted for. I'm happy Pelosi & Frank have been defanged.

Now to my hypothetical.

If the elite have no army to serve it's needs, it ceases to be an Empire. No Empire= no intervention = no unconstitutional wars = no MIC. I'm sure we can agree on the worthiness of this.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-17   17:28:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

It depends on who they voted for. I'm happy Pelosi & Frank have been defanged.

Now to my hypothetical.

If the elite have no army to serve it's needs, it ceases to be an Empire. No Empire= no intervention = no unconstitutional wars = no MIC. I'm sure we can agree on the worthiness of this.

To my knowledge there has never been an empire without an army.

First and foremost the ruling elite of any system must have an army , TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM ITS CITIZENS, secondly it must have an army to hold and or expand its empire.

This government since the days of Washington, has not hesitated to use armed force on its people. This has become much more pronounced in the past seventy years. The mailed fist of the system has been very open, particularly since the Bush/Clinton cabal.

In your mind I suspect you visualize the military shooting Americans, for no cause if so ordered, well, you would be right. They have and they will.

If highly professional,highly paid FBI has no qualms at shooting Americans, how can one expect anything different from the Army or any local police force?????

All of that is a given, backed by history.

Who will be shot??? Any and all dissidents. Then will come the surprise for the upper middle class, those that consider themselves with the system. History is replete with what happens to them.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   17:46:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Cynicom (#62)

To my knowledge there has never been an empire without an army.

First and foremost the ruling elite of any system must have an army , TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM ITS CITIZENS, secondly it must have an army to hold and or expand its empire.

Yes, and today's army is a volunteer army and cannot be supported in it's exploits both at home and abroad. We need to stop calling these kids heroes for stepping on an IED and use the more correct term, Bullet Catcher. Once they go away, the elite becomes powerless and the current political system obsolete.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-17   18:28:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull (#66)

Once they go away, the elite becomes powerless and the current political system obsolete.

Jethro, that will never happen.

I have lived thru two peace time draft laws. People said it would never happen, but it did.

As I have said here many times, when the draft comes, it will BE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE AS WE HAVE NOW THAT WILL BE DRAGGED AWAY.

Wars are fought in the main by the lower class, always been that way.

In my home town, WW2, of the nine kids that died, eight were from the wrong side of the tracks. It is always that way, they were not heros at all, rather as now, they were pawns of the system.

I can still hear Roosevelt telling us he would never send American boys to fight foreign wars. He lied Jethro. We at the bottom knew what was coming.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-17   18:53:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: Cynicom (#68)

As I have said here many times, when the draft comes, it will BE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE AS WE HAVE NOW THAT WILL BE DRAGGED AWAY.

Cyni, there will be no military draft. The nation has changed, the kids have changed. They simply wouldn't go, and why should they? Jimmy Carter set the precedent that made desertion perfectly acceptable. It's the volunteer army that will keep the public in line when the time comes and those in the military that "don't get it" are our biggest threat.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-17 19:09:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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