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Title: Social security - an email reply to Alan Simpson, Senator from Wyoming
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Published: Mar 16, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-03-16 14:03:15 by Jethro Tull
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Alan Simpson, Senator from Wyoming , Co-Chair of Obama's deficit Commission, calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he Compared "Social Security" to a Milk Cow with 310 million teats. August, 2010. Here's a response in a letter from a unknown fellow in Montana .... I Think he is a little ticked off ! He also tells it like it is! "Hey Alan, let's get a few things straight... 1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole for FIFTY YEARS. 2. I have been paying Social Security taxes for 48 YEARS (since I was 15 Years old. I am now 63). 3. My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for Decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for votes, thus Bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme That would have made Bernie Madoff proud. 4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and your ilk pulled the Proverbial football away from millions of American seniors nearing Retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to Age 67. NOW, you and your shill commission is proposing to move the Goalposts YET AGAIN. 5. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying into Medicare From Day One, and now you morons propose to change the rules of the Game. Why? Because you idiots mismanaged other parts of the economy to Such an extent that you need to steal money from Medicare to pay the Bills. 6. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying income taxes our Entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again. Why? Because you incompetent bastards spent our money so profligately that You just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come To the American taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt. To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bullshit" on Your incompetence. Well, Captain Bullshit, I have a few questions for YOU. 1. How much money have you earned from the American taxpayers during Your pathetic 50-year political career? 2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and How much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the American taxpayers? 3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance? 4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you Proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or, as usual, Have you exempted yourself and your political cronies? It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators who are "greedy". It is you and they who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for What? Votes. That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America For the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You Know it, we know it, and you know that we know it. And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch."
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Great letter to a true POS - thanks.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
Great letter but paragraph/point number 3 is just plain wrong. There never was any "trust fund." The money that people allowed to be taken from their pay in the name of "Social Security" all went into the general fund and pissed away, just like the rest of it. "...Section 811 (a). The income tax on employees is to be collected by the employer, who is to deduct the amount from the wages "as and when paid". Section 802 (a). He is indemnified against claims and demands of any person by reason of such payment. Ibid. The proceeds of both taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal-revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way. Section 807 (a)...." Helvering v. Davis, decided in 1937 (added emphasis mine)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Yes, the Trust Fund and the Lockbox have always been lies from the pols.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
And just think, people have been falling for that lie since the mid 30's!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
The ballot box and voting have proven to be the best control of the masses ever envisioned. I have hoped for a long time that this SOB would be run over by a mile long, slow moving train. The miserable olde bastard. Citizen Tull needs to consult with the Grim Reaper.
Jethro has been a little lax lately. There are many that need paid a visit by the Grim Reaper. Yo Jethro, are you listening?
"...Section 811 (a). The income tax on employees is to be collected by the employer, who is to deduct the amount from the wages "as and when paid". Section 802 (a). He is indemnified against claims and demands of any person by reason of such payment. Ibid. The proceeds of both taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal-revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way. Section 807 (a)...." Helvering v. Davis, decided in 1937 (added emphasis mine) I'm fairly certain that means Social Security taxes are not to be earmarked for other use. Mismanagement and fraud re: that fund are crimes that should be prosecuted and the culprits sued. On another aspect, how much money paid-in through the years has the government kept when someone dies before being able to collect anything for retirement?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Simpson is locked and loaded in the Grim Reaper queue. He is truly a miserable bastard.
2. On another aspect, how much money paid-in through the years has the government kept when someone dies before being able to collect anything for retirement? 1. Seems to me that the words "are not earmarked in any way" means that it all goes into the same pot and that they are free to piss it away just like they do the rest of it. 2. I would imagine a large number of people have died before they ever drew one cent of the money they thought was coming to them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
I suspect that dumping SS taxes into the general pot means that more interest is accrued for the gummint on all the holdings that are lumped into the general pot, with SS "earmarked" as the minimum projected interest-earnings before paying out any funds collected for that or paying out other taxes for other purposes. And seems to me that money paid into SS by someone who dies before collecting any should go to their heirs, not the government or whoever. What an extra-incentive that probably is for Death Panels to deny medical treatment to many.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
mmm, no, it means they are effin' crooks lying about an imaginary "trust fund" that has never existed. And that they will admit doesn't exist when they are backed into a corner.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Well then, they should be prosecuted and sued. I don't think they can hide behind Helvering vs. Davis.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Ever tried to sue the government? They claim "sovereign immunity" and have pretty much taken away the peons right to sue them unless they "allow" it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
I have hoped for a long time that this SOB would be run over by a mile long, slow moving train. Again, you remind us NOT to vote or be part of the problem if we do! As for Simpson, if hope could have rid us of him, he would have been gone long ago. Then again, look what "hope" got all those who voted for buttwheat! Trouble is, even those who didn't vote for buttwheat, or didn't vote at all, have to suffer the consequences of those who did vote for the bastard.
I think we should start with demanding an audit of SS by all 50 states. The excerpt below is, I think, relevant grounds to make such a call: OLD-AGE RESERVE ACCOUNT Section 201. (a) There is hereby created an account in the Treasury of the United States to be known as the Old-Age Reserve Account hereinafter in this title called the Account. There is hereby authorized to be appropriated to the Account for each fiscal year, beginning with the fiscal year ending June 30, 1937, an amount sufficient as an annual premium to provide for the payments required under this title, such amount to be determined on a reserve basis in accordance with accepted actuarial principles, and based upon such tables of mortality as the Secretary of the Treasury shall from time to time adopt, and upon an interest rate of 3 per centum per annum compounded annually. The Secretary of the Treasury shall submit annually to the Bureau of the Budget an estimate of the appropriations to be made to the Account. I would like to note, too, that war is another way for the .gov financiers to keep money paid into SS by those who are killed in it.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And the fedgov, under the wise leadership uf der Fuehrer, vil tell the states to ef off dumbkopf!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
And then the states can move into nullification of fedgov SS-management mode.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Beautiful dream, I would love to see it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Only one thing matters to the ruling elite, that is that the government remains a legitimate system, voted for in a "free" election by the masses. The fact that the entire process on the Federal level is rigged seems to be of no interest.
We haven't had a legitimate government in my lifetime. That the process is rigged is only encouraged by the citizens of this country continuing to vote. I have also had to admit during my lifetime that there is no difference between Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or whomever. Whoever ends up in the elected office was not put there by the voters, but by the evildoers. Hence, the reason nothing changes, except for the worse. I can remember discussing the corruption of politics, politicians and the system of Mexico. Now I have to admit that I look at the very same thing in this country. We have not evolved by letting the evildoers have their way, unless you consider going backwards "incremental change over time".
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------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Surrendering our electoral process to them uncontested doesn't seem to be the best way to go, imo.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Roosevelt opened the door to socialism, which everyone hates, right??????? So voters put him in office four unprecedented times. Along came Johnson and nearly 65 per cent of the voters, voted him into office. Unprecedented in our history and Johnson brought us socialism without bounds, the people loved him. Medicare, medicaid, relaxed SS, free education for dummies, on and on. What we have, people voted for, now it is time to pay the piper.
The Founding Fathers bled and died for a reason. They had tried "reform" for years but the King did not listen.
You're kidding, right? You don't suppose it's possible, do you, that banking interests put up campaign funds up front to insure the election of politicians that will borrow incessantly from the bankers to in turn guarantee a windfall flow of interest paid on principle?
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Yes, I do suppose that's possible but I was talking about interest to the guv on SS tax holdings, among others. You aren't asserting that there are no such accrued interest perks for the guv, are you?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
They had tried "reform" for years but the King did not listen. I'm all for closing our electoral process to Unconstitutionals. Surrendering it to them, no.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
In terms of growing government power, sure you are probably right. I momentarily forgot that we were dealing with people who see collectivism as a religion. Screw the people, the self-appointed guardians of the people are all that matters!
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
It was surrendered a long time ago. The current generations are simply rubber stamping the legitimacy of this government. Roosevelt was elected four times, the last time he did not campaign and the voters retained him in office. Term limits did result from that. However term limits for Congress have all died on the vine. Voting makes one a part of the system, legitimizing this government.
Not voting does what besides give them carte blanche with less paperwork and aggravation? Stepping aside so they can usurp our system unopposed doesn't exonerate non-voters from aiding and abetting their ransackings, imo. Do you have another suggestion short of war? I think what we need to do, for starters, is to hold our own elections for a Congress of Constitutionalists only.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks for the links.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
And buttwheat and all those pulling his strings, aren't listening either. The electorate had a once in a lifetime opportunity to make themselves heard at the 2010 election by ridding congress of all those up for reelection. They made a half-assed attempt that only caused the puppeteers to go back to the drawing board for ways to minimize the results of that election. Guess what? The evildoers have already made a dent in the "commitment" some of those new congressmen made to their constituents. Too many are already caving in.
Glad to see that you've reassessed the situation and their shenanigans.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're welcome. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yes, and pay we will. Especially given the way Congress and the POTUS spend money.
Punctuated with a. 30. 06 over his head.
Reversing the question for an answer.... A large majority of eligible Americans have always voted. They have had their choice of government, past and present. Add a minority voting for one of two preselected people would have changed what???? Nothing, not a thing. For nearly 80 years the Russians had a near 100 per cent participation by voters in a compulsory voting law, for preselected winners. Nothing changed by voting, the country collapsed, only to be bailed out by the West. Interesting side note that I was taught 50 years ago. Accepting a given that over 80 million Americans do not vote, how many of the total number of voters do not actually vote for higher offices????? The number of voters going to the polls never equals the total vote for President. As people vote, going from local to county to state to Federal, the actual number of votes DECREASES as we go up the ladder. Of the patriotic voters that trek to the polls, MANY DO NOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT. THEY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE NO REAL CHOICE. Many of the people that vote understand the system is stacked and to register their quiet opposition, they vote but do not vote.
Goldwater would have changed things, same goes for Wallace, Perot, Buchanan and Paul. The problem isn't so much the system, but rather the proportion of those who choose to participate. The left, manipulated by Soros and the corporate media, are wining the day with their candidates. Members of forums like this should know better than to be blinded by their lies. The right thinking people in the right positions can damage their agenda. To quit, or to act sanctimonious toward the efforts of the average political trench fighter, isn't a position serious men or woman should take. Quitting isn't an option as the left advances. We are not an army, but rather snipers at this moment in time.
thanks for the info. edit: whoops. this was intended for JD post #2
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 great letter. did you write that?
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 thanks for the info
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Quit, I did. Sanctimonious???? Not by desire nor intent, rather an approach with a view being expressed, that was honed from near six decades of "voting". I supported and voted for Goldwater, perhaps you did also. Working for the government at the time, I was the ONLY one in my department that did. It was made plain at the time that I was not overly bright, however, when the flow of body bags became never ending, it was impossible to find anyone that had voted for Johnson. Anyone that was paying attention at the time, 1952, arrived at one conclusion, the system was fixed so that the masses ALWAYS VOTED as the people in control desired. Both major parties wanted Ike to lead their ticket. How was that possible? The Dems were for the working man, for labor, the Pubs were for capital, the investor. One answer, Baruch a dem, decided Ike should run as a pub. The masses lose everytime.
I did vote for Goldwater and also worked in his campaign. It was the last time I was fooled by who decided an election. I remember quite clearly the events surrounding Eisenhower running for President. One week he was running as a dem, the next week as a pub. That was confirmation for me that Eisenhower running as a pub was not of his making.
You're welcome.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Well, I guess that is better than some of the names thrown my way here on 4um.
the masses vote this way or that according to whom? i believe that vote fraud exists and has for many decades. it, like the news, and the economy is controlled and manipulated. now, there's two schools of thought on this. we can take it back either by refusing to participate en masse or we can take it back by massive numbers voting 3rd party. nothing inbetween will work, imho. the fact that so many are dependent on welfare and entitlement programs, and/or a paycheck from both federal and state governments makes it extremely unlikely that americans will eschew the establishment parties. i have often heard Lindsey Williams say that within 2 yrs, 80% of us will be working for government. we already know that government has its tentacles in just about every industry directly or indirectly, so i think we're there now.
Obviously the poster doesn't know you, nor does he/she/it care to take the time to figure it out. I find "sanctimonious" a good adjective for the behavior that most who post here exhibit. It does not, however, fit you in the least.
Masses vote as programmed by the ruling elite (money power). Example... Last go around Ron Paul was the ONLY VIABLE AMERICAN RUNNING. You, I and a few others understood his message, but the masses cheered endlessly for, Romney, McCain etc etc. Our "choice" came down to McCain or Obama, so 130 million voters went to the polls and voted for someone. Paul was not there. Paul was laffed off stage, ridiculed by MSM and his own party. Result??????????? The war goes on, young Americans dying for nothing, endless debt. Once again, 130 million voters gave legitimacy to this corrupt government. Piecemeal reform is not worth considering. Already many of the teabaggers are turning colors. Voting for a system controlled from the top is exactly what is desired and the masses agree, I did my duty. Did they really???? Lets say the missing 80 million had voted, what do you think the outcome would have been???
There are great lessons to be learned by going back and looking at recent past presidents. Roosevelt ran in 1932 on a platform of anti big government. He lied. Patriotic voters made him King for life, until grim reaper said enough was enough. Imagine that, patriotic voters would have kept Roosevelt in office for life????????
In my opinion, that was NOT patriotic, that was being a fool. To have continued staying ignorant and using foolish voting practices is the very reason we are in the mess we are today. It takes a bigger person to admit their mistakes and to correct them than it does to continue making the same mistakes over and over again. Of course, by continuing on with the mistakes one never learns much.
I didn't write that artisan. It came to me in e-mail. Wonderful, isn't it?
The wars end tomorrow if the kids joining take the time to learn 1/10th of what you know. In their case it's buyer beware because their being sold a pile of horse shit while being told it's ice cream.
For the sake of discerning human nature, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED????????????
They would have done exactly what they shouldn't do to save this nation. So sitting at home gave us the same result as if they had taken part in the elections. To have seen what happened in 2010 begs evaluation of human nature, i.e., what happened to the loud voices of changing our government and those in congress. Only a few changes were made. It ain't pretty, but there you have it ... same freaking criminals continuing to pay their obligations to those putting them in office, NOT their constituents. AND ... those criminals come and serve without regard for party.
Some may recall back at the time, I went around asking people if they knew who Ron Paul was. I cannot recall the actual percentage, but it was rare to find anyone. Yet they all knew via osmosis programming, who Obama and McCain were. Had they all been required to vote, I suspect the result would have been the same. People that do vote, lie a lot. Nobody voted for Johnson or Carter, yet they won. Odd.
What has this to do with the kids who volunteer to be cannon fodder?
Exactly. A non voter is the same as a vote for the incumbent. As they used to say in Chicago..."A stay at home voter, is a vote for the (Daley) Machine" Only a RAT stooge or a government troll could advocate people not voting. We have a whole new bunch in the House because people went out and voted.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
???????????????????????? Not a thing. I was asking a hypothetical question about what might have been the outcome of the election had the 80 million voted. "For the sake of discerning human nature, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED???????????? " There was no mention of the kids.
My #52 to you had nothing to do with elections or voting. It had to do with the underlings who willingly serve the Empire. This must stop. I simply wasn't sure where you were coming from w/ the number of people who don't vote.
It was a hypothetical question, addressed to people that I considered would give it some thot and a reasoned view.
It depends on who they voted for. I'm happy Pelosi & Frank have been defanged. Now to my hypothetical. If the elite have no army to serve it's needs, it ceases to be an Empire. No Empire= no intervention = no unconstitutional wars = no MIC. I'm sure we can agree on the worthiness of this.
Now to my hypothetical. If the elite have no army to serve it's needs, it ceases to be an Empire. No Empire= no intervention = no unconstitutional wars = no MIC. I'm sure we can agree on the worthiness of this. To my knowledge there has never been an empire without an army. First and foremost the ruling elite of any system must have an army , TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM ITS CITIZENS, secondly it must have an army to hold and or expand its empire. This government since the days of Washington, has not hesitated to use armed force on its people. This has become much more pronounced in the past seventy years. The mailed fist of the system has been very open, particularly since the Bush/Clinton cabal. In your mind I suspect you visualize the military shooting Americans, for no cause if so ordered, well, you would be right. They have and they will. If highly professional,highly paid FBI has no qualms at shooting Americans, how can one expect anything different from the Army or any local police force????? All of that is a given, backed by history. Who will be shot??? Any and all dissidents. Then will come the surprise for the upper middle class, those that consider themselves with the system. History is replete with what happens to them.
Impoverishment followed by "liquidation".
Yes indeed. Liquidation will come for what is called "the intelligentsia". That class of people has no interest in enslavement and starvation of the masses, yet when their time comes they plead for mercy. Lenin and Stalin took great satisfaction in dragging away the academics, the professionals etc etc. One of the first things my German mentor drummed into my head was that this country is going down the same path as did the Russians and the Germans during the 1920s/30s, and we are being led by the very same cast of characters. That was over forty years ago, now I see very clearly what he predicted.
the other possibility is vote fraud. we can't trust the black box results. i still believe that most of the voters are those who benefit from the status quo and/or who are dependent on government. the 80 million who didn't vote most likely didn't because they're either independent (probably tax protestors - good for them!), don't care about politics, or their time and energy is spent trying to survive.
First and foremost the ruling elite of any system must have an army , TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM ITS CITIZENS, secondly it must have an army to hold and or expand its empire. Yes, and today's army is a volunteer army and cannot be supported in it's exploits both at home and abroad. We need to stop calling these kids heroes for stepping on an IED and use the more correct term, Bullet Catcher. Once they go away, the elite becomes powerless and the current political system obsolete.
The non voters are a mixed bag of people, usually of the lower class, however, to their benefit, most all have at least distaste if not hatred for ALL POLITICIANS, AND THEY ARE NON PARTISANS. Try it sometime, find a man that has never been registered to vote, middle age, odds are that you will receive choice language about all parties, politicians etc etc.
Jethro, that will never happen. I have lived thru two peace time draft laws. People said it would never happen, but it did. As I have said here many times, when the draft comes, it will BE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE AS WE HAVE NOW THAT WILL BE DRAGGED AWAY. Wars are fought in the main by the lower class, always been that way. In my home town, WW2, of the nine kids that died, eight were from the wrong side of the tracks. It is always that way, they were not heros at all, rather as now, they were pawns of the system. I can still hear Roosevelt telling us he would never send American boys to fight foreign wars. He lied Jethro. We at the bottom knew what was coming.
Cyni, there will be no military draft. The nation has changed, the kids have changed. They simply wouldn't go, and why should they? Jimmy Carter set the precedent that made desertion perfectly acceptable. It's the volunteer army that will keep the public in line when the time comes and those in the military that "don't get it" are our biggest threat.
I recall a period with no war, no draft, all volunteers, post WW2. All of a sudden, 1948 the congress overwhelmingly voted a draft and there was no war. That was odd. They knew something they were not telling the peasants. Two years later, out of the blue we had a hot war, and we were invited to attend.
Yours was a different generation, and you then lived in a different America. That nation has gone the way of the Dodo.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
3. My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for Decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for votes, thus Bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme That would have made Bernie Madoff proud.
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#5. To: Jethro Tull, Phant2000 (#0)
It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators who are "greedy". It is you and they who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers. And for What? Votes. That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America For the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic political careers. You Know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.
#6. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#5)
Citizen Tull needs to consult with the Grim Reaper.
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
Great letter but paragraph/point number 3 is just plain wrong. There never was any "trust fund." The money that people allowed to be taken from their pay in the name of "Social Security" all went into the general fund and pissed away, just like the rest of it.
#8. To: Cynicom, all (#5)
#9. To: GreyLmist (#7)
1. I'm fairly certain that means Social Security taxes are not to be earmarked for other use.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#10. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
#11. To: GreyLmist (#10)
I suspect that dumping SS taxes into the general pot means that more interest is accrued for the gummint on all the holdings that are lumped into the general pot
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#12. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
mmm, no, it means they are effin' crooks lying about an imaginary "trust fund" that has never existed. And that they will admit doesn't exist when they are backed into a corner.
#13. To: GreyLmist (#12)
Well then, they should be prosecuted and sued. I don't think they can hide behind Helvering vs. Davis.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#14. To: Cynicom (#5)
The ballot box and voting have proven to be the best control of the masses ever envisioned.
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#13)
(Edited)
Ever tried to sue the government? They claim "sovereign immunity" and have pretty much taken away the peons right to sue them unless they "allow" it.
From a comment at thehive.modbee.com referencing Legislative History of the Social Security Act of 1935:
(b) It shall be the duty of the Secretary of the Treasury to invest such portion of the amounts credited to the Account as is not, in his judgment, required to meet current withdrawals. Such investment may be made only in interest-bearing obligations of the United States or in obligations guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the United States.
#16. To: GreyLmist (#15)
I think we should start with demanding an audit of SS by all 50 states.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#17. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
#18. To: GreyLmist (#17)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#19. To: Phant2000 (#14)
Then again, look what "hope" got all those who voted for buttwheat! Trouble is, even those who didn't vote for buttwheat, or didn't vote at all, have to suffer the consequences of those who did vote for the bastard.
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
(Edited)
Only one thing matters to the ruling elite, that is that the government remains a legitimate system, voted for in a "free" election by the masses.
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
Beautiful dream, I would love to see it.
#22. To: Phant2000 (#20)
We have not evolved by letting the evildoers have their way
#23. To: Phant2000 (#20)
We have not evolved by letting the evildoers have their way, unless you consider going backwards "incremental change over time".
#24. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#22)
Surrendering our electoral process to them uncontested doesn't seem to be the best way to go, imo.
#25. To: GreyLmist (#10)
I suspect that dumping SS taxes into the general pot means that more interest is accrued for the gummint on all the holdings that are lumped into the general pot, with SS "earmarked" as the minimum projected interest-earnings before paying out any funds collected for that or paying out other taxes for other purposes
#26. To: Dakmar (#25)
(Edited)
You're kidding, right? You don't suppose it's possible, do you, that banking interests put up campaign funds up front to insure the election of politicians that will borrow incessantly from the bankers to in turn guarantee a windfall flow of interest paid on principle?
#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
The Founding Fathers bled and died for a reason.
#28. To: GreyLmist (#26)
You aren't asserting that there isn't any such accrued interest perks for the guv, are you?
#29. To: GreyLmist (#27)
Surrendering it to them, no.
#30. To: Cynicom (#29)
(Edited)
Voting makes one a part of the system, legitimizing this government.
#31. To: GreyLmist (#21)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#32. To: Cynicom (#24)
They had tried "reform" for years but the King did not listen.
#33. To: Dakmar (#28)
In terms of growing government power, sure you are probably right. I momentarily forgot that we were dealing with people who see collectivism as a religion.
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#31)
Thanks for the links.
#35. To: Cynicom (#23)
What we have, people voted for, now it is time to pay the piper.
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
C
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#37. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#30)
Not voting does what besides give them carte blanche with less paperwork and aggravation?
#38. To: Cynicom (#37)
A large majority of eligible Americans have always voted. They have had their choice of government, past and present. Add a minority voting for one of two preselected people would have changed what???? Nothing, not a thing.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
(Edited)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#42. To: 2big2fail, Phant2000 (#38)
To quit, or to act sanctimonious toward the efforts of the average political trench fighter, isn't a position serious men or woman should take. Quitting isn't an option as the left advances.
#43. To: Cynicom (#42)
I supported and voted for Goldwater, perhaps you did also.
#44. To: Artisan (#41)
thanks for the info
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein
#45. To: Phant2000, 2big2fail (#43)
Adj. 1. sanctimonious - excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile" holier-than-thou, pharisaic, pharisaical, self-righteous, pietistic, pietistical pious - having or showing or expressing reverence for a deity; "pious readings"
#46. To: Cynicom (#42)
#47. To: Cynicom (#45)
(Edited)
Well, I guess that is better than some of the names thrown my way here on 4um.
#48. To: christine (#46)
the masses vote this way or that according to whom?
#49. To: Phant2000, christine (#47)
Obviously the poster doesn't know you, nor does he/she/it care to take the time to figure it out.
#50. To: Cynicom (#49)
Imagine that, patriotic voters would have kept Roosevelt in office for life????????
#51. To: Artisan (#40)
#52. To: Cynicom (#48)
#53. To: Jethro Tull, Christine, Phant2000 (#52)
Lets say the missing 80 million had voted, what do you think the outcome would have been???
#54. To: Cynicom (#53)
WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED????????????
#55. To: Phant2000 (#54)
They would have done exactly what they shouldn't do to save this nation. So sitting at home gave us the same result as if they had taken part in the elections.
#56. To: Cynicom (#53)
For the sake of discerning human nature, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED????????????
#57. To: Phant2000 (#54)
So sitting at home gave us the same result as if they had taken part in the elections.
#58. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
What has this to do with the kids who volunteer to be cannon fodder?
#59. To: Cynicom (#58)
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#59)
This must stop. I simply wasn't sure where you were coming from w/ the number of people who don't vote.
#61. To: Cynicom (#60)
WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUTCOME OF THE LAST ELECTION, HAD THE 80 MILLION NON VOTERS, VOTED???????????? "
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
It depends on who they voted for. I'm happy Pelosi & Frank have been defanged.
#63. To: Cynicom (#62)
Who will be shot??? Any and all dissidents. Then will come the surprise for the upper middle class, those that consider themselves with the system. History is replete with what happens to them.
#64. To: Original_Intent (#63)
(Edited)
Impoverishment followed by "liquidation".
#65. To: Cynicom (#55)
#66. To: Cynicom (#62)
To my knowledge there has never been an empire without an army.
#67. To: christine (#65)
the 80 million who didn't vote most likely didn't because they're either independent (probably tax protestors - good for them!), don't care about politics, or their time and energy is spent trying to survive.
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
Once they go away, the elite becomes powerless and the current political system obsolete.
#69. To: Cynicom (#68)
As I have said here many times, when the draft comes, it will BE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE AS WE HAVE NOW THAT WILL BE DRAGGED AWAY.
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
Cyni, there will be no military draft. The nation has changed, the kids have changed. They simply wouldn't go,
#71. To: Cynicom (#70)
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