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Title: President Obama Goes to War - Without Congress
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog ... dent_obama_goes_to_war_wi.html
Published: Mar 20, 2011
Author: Wesley Clark
Post Date: 2011-03-20 12:49:05 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 273
Comments: 24

Regardless of one's inclination toward the "freedom fighters" and the "monster" in Libya, or the wisdom of United States military intervention, there are certain formalities that are required, and that President Obama and his administration, including Secretary of State Clinton, appear determined to ignore, in violation of both the Constitution and United States Law.

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution specifies that it is the Congress that has the power to declare war. United States Code (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548), the War Powers Act, specifically states that the president may undertake the use of military force only in the case of "... a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." It further states that the President must consult with Congress, "...in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities ..."

Membership in the United Nations does not grant the Security Council the authority to order U.S. forces into action, and being the President does not permit Obama to violate the Constitution and the Law, to commit an act of war without the authorization of the People, through their Congress.


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Not that it matters to the bloody oinkers who pull the triggers, but they did take an oath to uphold the constitution, no? Did they know what they were doing when they raised their right hand? Is it ignorance, or do they simply get off killing innocent people?

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Not that it matters to the bloody oinkers who pull the triggers, but they did take an oath to uphold the constitution, no? Did they know what they were doing when they raised their right hand? Is it ignorance, or do they simply get off killing innocent people?

Jethro...

That is not rational.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-20   12:58:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom, Esso, 4 (#1)

Cyni, what's irrational is any kind of support for these pigs. There is far too much information available to these troops for them to remain ignorant.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-20   13:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#5) (Edited)

Cyni, what's irrational is any kind of support for these pigs. There is far too much information available to these troops for them to remain ignorant.

Attaching the blame where it belongs is rational and the most important factor. Lowering the blame on the "ones" that pull the trigger is misplaced, that has always been true in any and all military operations and will never change.

Case in point is Manning. That young man did NOT pull any trigger but he did DISOBEY ORDERS and for that he will spend much of his life in prison. It is not the trigger pullers that will send him to prison for life, it is the people ABOVE that run the operation and NEVER pull any triggers.

Recall the young lady from WV and the prisoner on a dog leash, she pulled no triggers but spent three years in prison for it, the OIC retired on full pension.

Being a "trigger puller" is the lowest man at the bottom of the ladder, step out of line and you will be crushed. They are not stupid, ignorant nor killers, nor pigs, they are Americans from the lowest social class being used.

Hate the users not the used.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-20   13:44:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

Question. Are the trigger pullers willing volunteers in an unconstitutional war and are the people they're killing innocent?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-20   13:49:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

Question. Are the trigger pullers willing volunteers in an unconstitutional war and are the people they're killing innocent?

Yes and yes.

There has been NO constitutional war since WW2. We are all aware of that.

That has been true now for 66 long years. Hundreds or thousands of men have tried to avoid such service during that time. Many were thrown into the front lines as cannon fodder for daring to dissent. That is cold hard fact.

In 1952, two FBI (exempt from service) and local police came for me. I was a horrible draft dodger during an unconstitutional war. Did my neighbors storm those gentlemen in my defense???

Of course not, they cared less plus I was already in Korea.

Now, what do you think would have happened to me Jethro, had I been there and demanded my rights to not participate in an unconstitutional war??????????????????????

Using the term unconstitutional war as a rallying point is not valid now as it has been is use for over sixty years.

I know of no war since WW2 that was constitutional and yet was legitimized by every Congress...THAT WE VOTED FOR...

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-20   14:19:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#12)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada

"Using the term unconstitutional war as a rallying point is not valid now as it has been is use for over sixty years."

Tell that to Ehren Watada.

If using the term "unconstitutional war" is no longer valid, why would anyone bother to take an oath to uphold it?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-20   14:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

If using the term "unconstitutional war" is no longer valid, why would anyone bother to take an oath to uphold it?

I dont know of anyone that does.

Worthless piece of paper.

The Constitution has always been used as a weapon when needed, been disregarded when it was an obstruction.

War has been unconstitutional since 1945, to all of a sudden use it as a weapon after 60 years shows someone has not been paying attention.

War was never declared but off went I and a few million other social misfits, there was no hew and cry by anyone about constitutionality. About 40,000 of us died, no one cared about the constitution.

We are about sixty years late in awakening, and now it is the blame of the misfits for this endless war. I would like to see any order of any kind, directing any action, signed by a Private since 1950.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-20   18:51:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom, Bub (#17)

So unconstitutional wars have been grandfathered in by virtue of 60 + years of ignorance? Sorry, I can't acquiesce to that.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-21   5:19:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull, Christine (#19)

So unconstitutional wars have been grandfathered in by virtue of 60 + years of ignorance? Sorry, I can't acquiesce to that.

They were voted for Jethro, by me and millions more, just as programmed.

That is not ignorance, it is stupidity. We are stupid when we do not realize the rope around our necks is not a necklace, just because we are taught it is patriotic to wear it.

No one is expecting you to "acquiesce" to anything. Rather observe the obvious, we have had unconstitutional wars for 60 years, that is fact. Last week they unleashed another one, and what did the people do????? Nothing Jethro, not a thing.

There was a protest last Saturday in Washington against wars. A few hundred showed up, a few hundred Jethro. One hundred and thirty million people voted for more war, trashed Paul, and a few hundred show up in protest.

Most of them were....VETS...way back to WW2.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-21   8:41:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: Cynicom (#20)

They were voted for Jethro, by me and millions more, just as programmed.

No they weren't Cyni. When did you or I vote for war? Where we're negligent by allowing the PTB wage war unconstitutionally. That's where we dropped the ball. Others can do what they want, but my last vote was for Buchanan who opposes this crap and my next vote will be for someone similar. Sitting them out is a double loss, as domestically this mulatto bastard is unqualified and a racist. He has to go, and if that means me supporting RP, or any one who thinks like Paul, so be it. My last decade on non voting has been an unqualified failure.

PS: No need to tell u the difference between ignorance and stupidity. Up to Vietnam, the information we have now simply wasn't available.

PPS: Pardon any typos. I just had a kidney stone blasted with lithotripsy. Talk about fun!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-03-21 10:23:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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