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Title: Just A Friendly Reminder: Please Shut The Hell Up
Source: POPEHAT
URL Source: http://www.popehat.com/2011/03/18/j ... inder-please-shut-the-hell-up/
Published: Mar 18, 2011
Author: Ken
Post Date: 2011-03-24 13:53:18 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Cops, Feds, Interrogation, Silence
Views: 302
Comments: 28

Just A Friendly Reminder: Please Shut The Hell Up

Mar 18, 2011

p>Imagine this:

It’s a dark and gloomy six in the morning. You’ve just gotten out of bed. You are fuzzy-headed, bleary-eyed, badly in need of coffee. You haven’t showered or dressed. You’re in your underwear, or pajamas.

Suddenly there’s a thunderous pounding on the door, and loud men are shouting something at you. Your heart lurches and the adrenaline jolts you. You open the door, and there is a team of FBI agents, guns prominently displayed in holsters, raid jackets open. They are large and aggressive and unfriendly. They tell you they have a search warrant for your home and push past you. Two of them grab you, bodily turn you around, and handcuff you. They’ll say later they had to do that to secure the scene and assure agent safety, and that you totally weren’t in custody or anything.

Two agents take you outside to your driveway in your pajamas or underwear. At this point your neighbors are beginning to peek curiously out of their windows. The agents push you into the back seat of a G-ride — a late-model American made sedan that smells of air freshener and despair. The two agents sit on either side of you in the back seat; a third agent climbs into the front seat. You shift uncomfortably, trying to avoid sitting on your handcuffed hands. But there’s no way to get comfortable sitting in your underwear in the back of a G-ride with your hands cuffed behind you.

The agents begin to question you about your business dealings. They don’t read you your rights first — they’ll say later they didn’t have to, because you totally weren’t in custody, despite being handcuffed in the back of a G-ride in your underwear surrounded by FBI agents in raid jackets. The agents tag-team you, switch topics rapidly, play good-cop-bad-cop, and use every law enforcement rhetorical trick to intimidate you. We have some really serious questions here, they say. But if you just cooperate, maybe we can clear all of this up.

They start to ask questions about a meeting that took place two years ago. Were you at that meeting with Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones? You say no, no I wasn’t. Maybe you say it without thinking, agitated and confused and muddle-headed from the circumstances. Maybe you don’t have a clear memory of what happened two years ago. Maybe you panic and lie. The agents move on in their questioning.

After a few uncomfortable hours, the agents uncuff you, pull you out of the car, and hand you an incomplete, inaccurate, and illegible receipt purporting to state what they’ve taken. They haul off boxes of documents, disks, disk drives, and whatever else catches their fancy. They’ll see you soon, they say.

And, relatively speaking, they do. Six months later you are indicted. You’re indicted not only for whatever matter the FBI was investigating. As a kicker, you’re also indicted under 18 U.S.C. section 1001 for lying to the FBI. That’s a felony. Your lawyer reviews the discovery, and tells you that when the FBI agents asked you whether you were at that meeting two years ago with Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones, they already knew the answer to the question. Mr. Jones recorded the meeting and is cooperating with the FBI, and they had two other witnesses who placed you there. There was no chance whatsoever that your denial — whether it was a panic-induced brain fart, or a failure of memory, or a lie — could have misled or deterred the FBI in its investigation for even a moment. But that doesn’t matter. Though materiality is an element of Section 1001, it’s a weak, diluted type of materiality. Statements to the government are deemed material if they are the sort of statements that have the capacity to influence it. Courts have come very close to creating a presumption of materiality by reasoning that if the information were not material the government would not have asked for it and you wouldn’t have offered it. There was a time when most prosecutors thought it was chickenshit to charge someone with a felony for an exculpatory denial of wrongdoing that never fooled anyone; that time is in the past.

So. By failing to shut the fuck up, you have just handed the feds a gimme felony charge that will make your case much more difficult to defend.

When the authorities ask you questions, they are not out to “clear this thing up so we can let you go.” They are not your friends. They do not want to help. They are very likely not trying to learn anything or discover anything. They are trying to make, or improve, a case against you. They are hoping that you will fall into their trap. They may be trying to make a weak case strong or turn a lesser charge into a greater one.

Is there ever a situation where, by being friendly and cooperative and answering questions, you can deflect government suspicion or satisfy their concerns without charges? Yes. Very rarely, there is. And when the government comes knocking, they count on you grasping at the hope that this is one of those times. Don’t be a fool. If there’s a chance that cooperation will satisfy the authorities today, there will still be a chance in a day or a week or a month after you’ve consulted a lawyer who understands the situation. When you answer law enforcements’ questions — especially when you do it in a stressful situation like a search — you take grave risks of substantially worsening your situation. You may say, “oh, but I won’t lie.” Sure. But can you be sure, sitting cuffed in your underwear at six in the morning in that G-ride, that you will remember events from years ago accurately? Are you sure you won’t be confused and muddled under the circumstances? Are you sure that the government won’t — fueled by claims by cooperators — believe that you’ve lied? Do you really think that if you misremember or mix up events in your head or if your memory is different than the story of a cooperator, that the government is going to give you the benefit of the doubt?

Don’t be a fool. Invoke. For God’s sake, just shut up.



Poster Comment: Always keep in mind that the Police, and particularly the corrupt FBI, ARE NOT your friends. It is sad to have to say that but at this late stage in the corruption of the Republic they are not. They are agents of a corrupt government whose primary function is political repression. Get it? Unless you're a serial killer trying to stay calm and cool they are there because someone does not like your politics and they are looking for a way to shut you up. So, the first thing to remember is SHUT UP. Not about your politics but to the Gestapo. The safest thing to say is that "I invoke my rights under the Fifth Amendment" AND NOTHING ELSE. Oh, you can repeatedly ask "Am I under arrest?" That helps clarify the situation and puts them on notice. Otherwise SHUT UP. THEY ARE NOT your friends.
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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-24   14:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

I keep a copy of the "Buddhist Vow of Silence" taped to the door and I just hope they don't shoot me when I point to it.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2011-03-24   14:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#0)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-03-24   14:30:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-03-24   14:32:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#1)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

This lecture and additional "police encounter" clips
are on the "Don't Talk To Police" DVD from the Project.

~~~~~~~
OneDollarDVDProject.com

wakeup  posted on  2011-03-24   14:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)

Gag! I cannot express in words how much I despise that psychopathic Bull Dyke Witch.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-24   15:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sizzlerguy (#2)

I keep a copy of the "Buddhist Vow of Silence" taped to the door and I just hope they don't shoot me when I point to it.

Personally, I would just remain silent with my hands in full view. The only other thing I would do is invoke the fifth. I want nothing whatsoever to do with them.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-24   15:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#6)

that psychopathic Bull Dyke Witch.

=============================

Do you realize how many government controllers now occupying that seat?

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-03-24   15:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sizzlerguy (#2)

To: Original_Intent I keep a copy of the "Buddhist Vow of Silence" taped to the door and I just hope they don't shoot me when I point to it.

Pointing your finger is not good when several guns are pointed at you,no matter what you are pointing at,so holster that finger and start chanting.

paddlefeet  posted on  2011-03-24   15:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#0)

...or just use the lines that Hillary Clinton used before Congress to dodge the whole lying to FedGov thing: "I'm not sure", "I don't recall", "I have no current recollection..."

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
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X-15  posted on  2011-03-24   15:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Three rules for dealing with the gestapo goons who are trying to make a case against you:

1. Shut up!

2. Be quiet!

3. Keep your mouth shut!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-03-24   15:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#7)

STFU bump.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-24   15:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod, Original_Intent, 4, James Deffenbach, X-15, paddlefeet, wakeup, Eric Stratton (#12)

HOMELAND SECURITY

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-03-24   16:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#8)

Do you realize how many government controllers now occupying that seat?

At least 3. I know Kagan qualifies on the Supreme Court, but I forget who the other major psycho Dyke is. I'm sure there are plenty of others lording it over lower positions.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-24   17:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: X-15 (#10)

...or just use the lines that Hillary Clinton used before Congress to dodge the whole lying to FedGov thing: "I'm not sure", "I don't recall", "I have no current recollection..."

Yes, if you MUST give up an answer those are good ones. My preference is just to respond "I invoke my rights as guaranteed under the Fifth Amendment".

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-24   17:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach (#11)

Three rules for dealing with the gestapo goons who are trying to make a case against you:

1. Shut up!

2. Be quiet!

3. Keep your mouth shut!

Great advice.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-24   17:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: James Deffenbach (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-24   17:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

That is the best advice I could give anyone. Lots of people have been convicted who never would have been if they had just kept their mouths shut.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-03-24   18:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#0)

If they are that corrupt they don't need you to say anything to them, they will just say you said it. If they need a tape, they will get one made with software that can get your voice to say whatever they want it to say. Your best defense against goons is a gun. Shoot to kill, they will.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-03-24   18:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent (#19)

True.


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wudidiz  posted on  2011-03-24   18:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: wakeup, All (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-25   8:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wakeup, All (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-25   9:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#0)

excellent post. Is this story about someone specific?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-25   9:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#23)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-25   10:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

it appears the author is a lawyer. he has a lot of interesting articles on his website popehat.com

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-25   10:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

another thing cops do is intimidate people into 'pleading' when they never did anything.This is often successful b/c the person is scared, & convinced, that if he goes to trial he will get locked away for many years.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2011-03-25   10:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Artisan (#26)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-25   13:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Artisan (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-03-25   13:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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