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Title: Soldier pleads guilty in Iraq rape, murder case
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URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation ... -11-15-iraq-rape-slaying_x.htm
Published: Mar 26, 2011
Author: USA Today
Post Date: 2011-03-26 11:19:22 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 733
Comments: 49

FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. (AP) — One of four U.S. soldiers accused of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl last spring and killing her and her family pleaded guilty Wednesday, and agreed to testify against the others.

Spc. James P. Barker agreed to the plea deal to avoid the death penalty, said his civilian attorney, David Sheldon.

The military judge presiding over the case, Lt. Col. Richard Anderson, asked Barker why he participated in the attack in Mahmoudiya, a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad. It was among the worst in a series of alleged attacks on civilians and other abuses by military personnel in Iraq.

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

Anderson accepted the plea agreement, which calls for Barker to serve at least life in prison. The judge will decide in a hearing Thursday whether Barker should be allowed to seek parole.

Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, and Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman, 22, members of the 101st Airborne Division with Barker, also are charged in the case. Cortez deferred entering a plea during his arraignment Wednesday morning. Spielman will be arraigned in December. The fourth soldier, Pfc. Bryan L. Howard, 19, also deferred entering a plea at his arraignment in October.

A fifth person, former Army private Steve Green, 21, pleaded not guilty last week to civilian charges including murder and sexual assault.

Green was discharged from the Army for a "personality disorder" before the allegations became known, and prosecutors have yet to say if they will pursue the death penalty against him.

The group is accused of raping the girl and burning her body to conceal their crimes, then killing the girl's father, mother and 6-year-old sister.

After entering his plea Wednesday, Barker gave the court a vivid account of the events.

Barker said he and the others were drinking and playing cards while they manned a traffic checkpoint. Green brought up the idea of raping the girl and killing her family, he said.

"He brought it up to me and asked me what I thought about it. At a couple of points, I told him he was crazy," Barker said.

Barker said he and Green then approached the others with the idea, but there never was a verbal agreement to do it.

"Things just got set in motion, we just started changing (clothes), myself, Cortez and Green," Barker said. "By the time we started changing clothes, it was more or less a non-verbal agreement that we were going to go along with what we were discussing."

Barker said he, Green and Cortez raped the girl, and Green killed the girl, her parents and her sister.

Barker did not name Spielman and Howard as participants in the rape and slayings, though he said they were at the house when the assault occurred and had come knowing what the others intended to do.

Under military law, soldiers who are present when a crime is committed can be charged with that crime even if they did not play an active role.

Cortez, who could face the death penalty if convicted, and Howard watched from the audience as Barker described the assault. They were accompanied by their defense attorneys and declined to comment.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

I hate our leaders. They smile at us and enlist young men to fight in these horror shows. They ship Americans over there in uniforms and bring them back broken or in boxes without even thinking about it. They are happy to do so.

They belong in the same prison with this "specialist." I wonder what sort of life Barker might have led had it not be short-circuited in the service of these cold-blooded purveyors of mayhem and misbegotten war.

randge  posted on  2011-03-26   11:34:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: randge (#1) (Edited)

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

I hate our leaders. They smile at us and enlist young men to fight in these horror shows. They ship Americans over there in uniforms and bring them back broken or in boxes without even thinking about it. They are happy to do so.

Read the other posts.

People that were not there and most likely never in any like circumstance.

They make me sick.

Military the world over is taught one thing....HATE....hate your enemy and we will tell you who your enemy is. Those that are olde enough and wise enough to recall the words of General Patton, will remember these words, "kill the other poor SOB before he kills you".

That simple advice goes well above the haters here on 4um. They can hate their own thru false intellectual bravado, with that I would like to take them with me for a month into the cesspools of the Middle East. They would have the opportunity to display their bravado where it counts.

I with millions of other sociopaths, misfits, thugs or whatever was taught to hate Germans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, Koreans or whoever happened to be on the kill list, all were sub human, kill all of them.

THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE GOD DAMNED BUSINESS.

They are there on the ground dealing with death every day, we are not, so judge not.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   13:45:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#5)

People that were not there and most likely never in any like circumstance.

They make me sick.

They can hate their own thru false intellectual bravado,

It's rather hard to justify raping a 14 year old girl and killing her 6 year old sister, Cyni. Neither of these innocent young "SOB's" were going to kill the soldier if he opted not take out a six year old to cover up raping her sister.

One need not be a saint or holier than thou or have served to balk at such crimes......no matter the circumstances of war.

So, when did two wrongs start making right?

abraxas  posted on  2011-03-26   14:55:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: abraxas, Cynicom (#8)

One need not be a saint or holier than thou or have served to balk at such crimes......no matter the circumstances of war.

I agree. These criminals, despite the uniforms, are criminals. There is no justification for this behavior or this crime. PERIOD.

As for this comment:

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

What would Americans do if our country was invaded and occupied by a hostile nation that indiscriminately "lit up" innocent civilians "just for the fun of it"?

There is no justification for this crime, none. No amount of sophistry and sympathy for the plight of "the poor grunts" justifies it or excuses it. NONE.

That the men and women who sent them there are as guilty is not an excuse nor is it exculpatory. Not in the least.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-26   15:04:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)

What would Americans do if our country was invaded and occupied by a hostile nation that indiscriminately "lit up" innocent civilians "just for the fun of it"?

I tell you what I would do if there were foreign invaders here shooting the place up. I would hand one of these jokers a hot dog or whatever the hell else they wanted with a smile, and the minute they turned their backs, I would spray the pavement with their brains.

randge  posted on  2011-03-26   15:06:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: randge, Original_Intent, All stay at iome heros (#11)

I tell you what I would do if there were foreign invaders here shooting the place up. I would hand one of these jokers a hot dog or whatever the hell else they wanted with a smile, and the minute they turned their backs, I would spray the pavement with their brains.

Randge...

And his friend across the road would massacre you and all your family, no holds barred.

If one has NEVER been in the trenches, it is to easy to decide what they would do IF THEY WERE THERE.

Personal case in point..

Olde time friend now retired Lt. Col, Army two tours, grandfather, very religious man.

He was riding with his crew of men down small town street when they were hit from all sides, as you say, some of his men had their brains in the street, others are bleeding to death, the .50 cal gunner dead. My friend manned the gun to save himself and the others still alive,...HE SAID, I DONT KNOW WHAT TOOK HOLD, BUT I SHOT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT MOVED, NO CONSIDERATION, IT MOVED IT DIED, NO UNIFORMS, ALL CIVILIANS TRYING TO KILL ALL OF US...

You blow my friends brains out, I would blow yours away plus your family, that is war randge.

We are NOT THERE, we stayed home voted and paid taxes so the government could pay kids to kill, I am guilty, you are guilty.

Draftees did the very same thing in Vietnam, try to survive a year in a living hell.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   16:00:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, randge, all (#14)

He was riding with his crew of men down small town street when they were hit from all sides, as you say, some of his men had their brains in the street, others are bleeding to death, the .50 cal gunner dead. My friend manned the gun to save himself and the others still alive,...HE SAID, I DONT KNOW WHAT TOOK HOLD, BUT I SHOT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT MOVED, NO CONSIDERATION, IT MOVED IT DIED, NO UNIFORMS, ALL CIVILIANS TRYING TO KILL ALL OF US...

How many children did he rape and murder?

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-26   16:06:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, randge (#15)

How many children did he rape and murder?

Murder or kill??? Big difference.

Rape at his age, near 50, was not an interest.

The day I sat thru my first NSA briefing, telling us we were going to kill 300,000 Russians within three minutes and thousands later from radiation, made us ill and become olde men very quick.

Who were those 300,000??????????????????????????? Totally innocents, very few military, our job was to blow them away in the wink of an eye, olde people, children, innocents.

Justification for rape and murder on a personal basis???? No.

Yet people would HAVE JUSTIFIED US KILLING 300,000, JUST AS WE DID TO THE JAPANESE.

War is impersonal and immoral, Patton said it all.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   17:15:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom, randge, all (#17)

How many children did he rape and murder?

Murder or kill??? Big difference.

You're evading the question. You know what I was asking and why.

What these young animals did was rape a 14 year old girl and then murder her and her family, including a 6 year old sister.

Yes the planning of the Pentagram and our so-called leaders is evil and immoral. It is the plans of sick and distorted men and women, but that is not the issue here. The issue is the actions of these accused young men for whom there is no excuse. As randge rightly pointed out they were NOT defending their lives. Fear of being killed is not an excuse for raping and murdering a 14 year old girl.

I don't know what the standards were when you walked the walk but I did not wear the uniform to be presented with an excuse to rape and murder a 14 year old girl.

You are allowing your affections for the deluded young men in uniform to shift your view from the realities of what has occurred here.

And while your friend may well have defended his life in combat that is not related to the question of how would Americans react to invasion and occupation by a foreign power.

They would fight back in any way they could, and would do so in honor justified in their actions to repel an invader just as the Iraqis are doing in attacking the invaders sent by a corrupt American Government.

Prior to the salacious assault upon Iraq it was building toward first world status with one of the best medical and educational systems in the Middle East. It is now a war torn third world wreck of warring tribal groups and invading troops who are there based on lies.

There is nothing moral or just in the U.S. presence in Iraq.

There is nothing which excuses the behavior of these young animals in uniform. The uniform is no excuse, being in fear for their lives from Iraqi Resistance fighters is no excuse. What they did by any calculus of decency merits hanging from the nearest tree.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-03-26   17:32:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent, ran dge, Phant2000 (#18)

You're evading the question. You know what I was asking and why.

What these young animals did was rape a 14 year old girl and then murder her and her family, including a 6 year old sister.

Evading nothing.

Young animals????? We pay them every month, you me and randge. We all would scream bloody murder if our families were dragged away to fight such a war.

Do you honestly believe there would be any moral difference????? Young men are taught to hate and kill, whatever you do, do not read history about any war that includes mass rape, mass murder.

We as a country have done it all.

I have suggested to randge that he read.."Valleys of Death"...short read by one that lived thru two wars, kill or be killed, no holds barred. He would be considered a sociopath these days by our friends.

The author was caught by circumstances, we paid him to kill, murder or whatever, his only desire was to survive.

Dissent???? Week ago today there was an anti war rally in Washington, less than 1000 people showed up, mostly WAR VETERANS.

I had other things to do, such as stay home and spill my bile on the grunts in the Middle East, did my duty, right.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   17:47:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#19)

Cyni, are you seeing the facts here or are you blinded by the fact you're a vet?

The victims were not asking for trouble or even remotely engaged in threatening behavior.

The perps were just daydreaming about raping a little 14 year old girl while on duty. Then they got off duty, changed their clothes, and made their way to the girl's residence.

They got there, raped the little girl (with her family there), then killed her, her parents, and her 6 year old sister, then set the place on fire to cover their crimes.

That is not an honorable or forgivable set of actions, no matter WHO the hell they are. They were in fact supposed to be "liberating" those people from oppression, one of the stated reasons of them being there in the first place.

Sure, we can look back through history and find other examples of such evil deeds, but it doesn't make it right nor does it excuse their barbaric acts.

I can't understand why YOU would side with such vermin.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-03-26   18:08:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#21)

Cyni, are you seeing the facts here or are you blinded by the fact you're a vet?

All personal remarks aside.

Hate the military, I do, hate the government I do, hate the grunts on the ground, I dont.

Quite simple.

Holier than thou self gratification by those not there is not acceptable.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   18:14:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

I think those who start wars for profit are the most evil beings on this planet, next to those who deliberately set out to rape and kill an innocent child for sexual gratification and "fun".

War isn't a blanket excuse to do whatever you wish, and those who do so will pay the price somewhere down the road.

I really don't give a shit if you're hero or a common scrub dodging bullets, evil remains evil. Honorable men may have to kill or be killed, but they don't look forward to sexually terrorizing an innocent young girl then killing her and her family for sport.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-03-26   18:23:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker, All Grunt Haters (#25)

I think those who start wars for profit are the most evil beings on this planet, next to those who deliberately set out to rape and kill an innocent child for sexual gratification and "fun".

War isn't a blanket excuse to do whatever you wish, and those who do so will pay the price somewhere down the road.

Set out to rape and kill?????

If that is a blanket indictment of all grunts, it is wrong. If it is an indictment of the actual few, then by all means hang them, I have no truck with such.

Every week we read of "innocent civilians" killed by errant pilots and bombs, the military says they are sorry and we forget, and the killing goes on.

Endless, mindless war, brought to us by our government, whom we have all voted for and paid taxes to, so they may hire "sociopaths" to rape and murder in foreign lands. Of course we do not want a draft from this same government, let the thugs and goons etc bleed and die, we will pay our taxes, just dont involve us.

THE DRAFT WILL COME, CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN OF THE GRUNT HATERS WILL THEN BECOME THE CANNON FODDER, and they will murder and rape, count on it.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   18:34:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#29) (Edited)

Endless, mindless war, brought to us by our government, whom we have all voted for and paid taxes to, so they may hire "sociopaths" to rape and murder in foreign lands.

Sure I pay taxes to avoid going to prison, and I couldn't NOT pay them anyways since it's deducted from my payroll by law.

HOWEVER, don't include me in your "we" in terms of voting for those in power, since I did NOT vote for them. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, and for Chuck Baldwin in the general election. I voted Libertarian for congressional and senate seats, and for the local offices.

I have been against military action against Iraq from back BEFORE we invaded that country; if you look up my old posts on FR you'll see that's true. I saw it as a ruse to weaken our own military, giving China a strategic edge in the long term as they became more powerful. Besides weakening the military in terms of manpower and equipment, it depletes our economy since all those bombs and bullets have no return on investment, causing our economy to nose dive. I've been saying that for over a decade.

So no, I DO NOT vote for the bastards who send us off to self defeating military "actions" where we have no right to be nor even any good reason for being there at all.

Of course we do not want a draft from this same government, let the thugs and goons etc bleed and die, we will pay our taxes, just dont involve us.

If people such as you stopped voting for Obama or McCain, and elected someone like Ron Paul who WOULD pull us out of places we don't belong, then there would of course be no need for a draft.

THE DRAFT WILL COME, CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN OF THE GRUNT HATERS WILL THEN BECOME THE CANNON FODDER, and they will murder and rape, count on it.

If you find it so wonderful to place US troops in harms way with no chance of "winning", and require them to occupy lands coveted by the corporate puppet masters, then I guess eventually that might become fact. HOWEVER, those with any honor will NOT murder or rape.

BTW, I was a US Marine, so fuck you with your "grunt hater" bullshit.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-03-26   19:04:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker (#33)

So no, I DO NOT vote for the bastards who send us off to self defeating military "actions" where we have no right to be nor even any good reason for being there at all.

Of course we do not want a draft from this same government, let the thugs and goons etc bleed and die, we will pay our taxes, just dont involve us.

If people such as you stopped voting for Obama or McCain, and elected someone like Ron Paul who WOULD pull us out of places we don't belong, then there would of course be no need for a draft.

THE DRAFT WILL COME, CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN OF THE GRUNT HATERS WILL THEN BECOME THE CANNON FODDER, and they will murder and rape, count on it.

If you find it so wonderful to place US troops in harms way with no chance of "winning", and require them to occupy lands coveted by the corporate puppet masters, then I guess eventually that might become fact. HOWEVER, those with any honor will NOT murder or rape.

BTW, I was a US Marine, so fuck you with your "grunt hater" bullshit.

There you go again, being personal.

As long as you offered that you were a Marine, would you mind telling us when, where and what military action you were involved in????

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26   19:19:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#34)

As long as you offered that you were a Marine, would you mind telling us when, where and what military action you were involved in????

Enlisted towards the end of Vietnam, but never went there.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-03-26   19:39:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: FormerLurker (#35)

Enlisted towards the end of Vietnam, but never went there.

So you volunteered to kill people?

And your life was never in great danger.

Why did you volunteer?

I volunteered to avoid the draft. That was most likely afore your time.

Cynicom  posted on  2011-03-26 19:44:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#35)

Let's keep it on an even keel, gents.

We're all on the same side here, I believe.

randge  posted on  2011-03-26 19:46:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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