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Title: Soldier pleads guilty in Iraq rape, murder case
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Published: Mar 26, 2011
Author: USA Today
Post Date: 2011-03-26 11:19:22 by christine
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FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. (AP) — One of four U.S. soldiers accused of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl last spring and killing her and her family pleaded guilty Wednesday, and agreed to testify against the others. Spc. James P. Barker agreed to the plea deal to avoid the death penalty, said his civilian attorney, David Sheldon. The military judge presiding over the case, Lt. Col. Richard Anderson, asked Barker why he participated in the attack in Mahmoudiya, a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad. It was among the worst in a series of alleged attacks on civilians and other abuses by military personnel in Iraq. "I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it." Anderson accepted the plea agreement, which calls for Barker to serve at least life in prison. The judge will decide in a hearing Thursday whether Barker should be allowed to seek parole. Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, and Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman, 22, members of the 101st Airborne Division with Barker, also are charged in the case. Cortez deferred entering a plea during his arraignment Wednesday morning. Spielman will be arraigned in December. The fourth soldier, Pfc. Bryan L. Howard, 19, also deferred entering a plea at his arraignment in October. A fifth person, former Army private Steve Green, 21, pleaded not guilty last week to civilian charges including murder and sexual assault. Green was discharged from the Army for a "personality disorder" before the allegations became known, and prosecutors have yet to say if they will pursue the death penalty against him. The group is accused of raping the girl and burning her body to conceal their crimes, then killing the girl's father, mother and 6-year-old sister. After entering his plea Wednesday, Barker gave the court a vivid account of the events. Barker said he and the others were drinking and playing cards while they manned a traffic checkpoint. Green brought up the idea of raping the girl and killing her family, he said. "He brought it up to me and asked me what I thought about it. At a couple of points, I told him he was crazy," Barker said. Barker said he and Green then approached the others with the idea, but there never was a verbal agreement to do it. "Things just got set in motion, we just started changing (clothes), myself, Cortez and Green," Barker said. "By the time we started changing clothes, it was more or less a non-verbal agreement that we were going to go along with what we were discussing." Barker said he, Green and Cortez raped the girl, and Green killed the girl, her parents and her sister. Barker did not name Spielman and Howard as participants in the rape and slayings, though he said they were at the house when the assault occurred and had come knowing what the others intended to do. Under military law, soldiers who are present when a crime is committed can be charged with that crime even if they did not play an active role. Cortez, who could face the death penalty if convicted, and Howard watched from the audience as Barker described the assault. They were accompanied by their defense attorneys and declined to comment.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
I hate our leaders. They smile at us and enlist young men to fight in these horror shows. They ship Americans over there in uniforms and bring them back broken or in boxes without even thinking about it. They are happy to do so. They belong in the same prison with this "specialist." I wonder what sort of life Barker might have led had it not be short-circuited in the service of these cold-blooded purveyors of mayhem and misbegotten war.
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Psychopaths.
They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords. Lords without anger and honor, who dare not carry their swords. They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes; They look at our labor and laughter as a tired man looks at flies. - G.K. Chesterton
He must have been messed in the head long before he became a soldier. Furthermore, anyone that joins today must be messed up in the head. Soon, it will be a minimum requirement for "service." Look around... we are surrounded by the messed up in the head.
~~~~~~~ Too sick for words and on par with Charlie Manson. They're no warriors. "The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
I hate our leaders. They smile at us and enlist young men to fight in these horror shows. They ship Americans over there in uniforms and bring them back broken or in boxes without even thinking about it. They are happy to do so. Read the other posts. People that were not there and most likely never in any like circumstance. They make me sick. Military the world over is taught one thing....HATE....hate your enemy and we will tell you who your enemy is. Those that are olde enough and wise enough to recall the words of General Patton, will remember these words, "kill the other poor SOB before he kills you". That simple advice goes well above the haters here on 4um. They can hate their own thru false intellectual bravado, with that I would like to take them with me for a month into the cesspools of the Middle East. They would have the opportunity to display their bravado where it counts. I with millions of other sociopaths, misfits, thugs or whatever was taught to hate Germans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, Koreans or whoever happened to be on the kill list, all were sub human, kill all of them. THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE GOD DAMNED BUSINESS. They are there on the ground dealing with death every day, we are not, so judge not.
When Turtle takes over the world he will fix things. All I ask in return are cigars, wine, and a harem of 400 girls.
They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords. Lords without anger and honor, who dare not carry their swords. They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes; They look at our labor and laughter as a tired man looks at flies. - G.K. Chesterton
Turtle... Utopia, the dream of mankind, except for the evil ones.
They make me sick. They can hate their own thru false intellectual bravado, It's rather hard to justify raping a 14 year old girl and killing her 6 year old sister, Cyni. Neither of these innocent young "SOB's" were going to kill the soldier if he opted not take out a six year old to cover up raping her sister. One need not be a saint or holier than thou or have served to balk at such crimes......no matter the circumstances of war. So, when did two wrongs start making right?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Last week, I talked with a combat vet of both these hellholes, and his judgment was that these guys were "weak, weak in the head." We see that their own comrades in arms judge them. And the system will have to judge them also. No army on an adversary's turf can long persist when its members act like hyenas and prey on the civilian population in this fashion.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.
I agree. These criminals, despite the uniforms, are criminals. There is no justification for this behavior or this crime. PERIOD. As for this comment: What would Americans do if our country was invaded and occupied by a hostile nation that indiscriminately "lit up" innocent civilians "just for the fun of it"? There is no justification for this crime, none. No amount of sophistry and sympathy for the plight of "the poor grunts" justifies it or excuses it. NONE. That the men and women who sent them there are as guilty is not an excuse nor is it exculpatory. Not in the least.
I tell you what I would do if there were foreign invaders here shooting the place up. I would hand one of these jokers a hot dog or whatever the hell else they wanted with a smile, and the minute they turned their backs, I would spray the pavement with their brains.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.
Advice from Aaron Zellman on AJ's show a few years ago - if any foreign, or UN troops, approach your home, open fire with everything that you have; immediately. (I hope that I have the stones to follow his advice.)
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
You, me, and a lot of others.
Randge... And his friend across the road would massacre you and all your family, no holds barred. If one has NEVER been in the trenches, it is to easy to decide what they would do IF THEY WERE THERE. Personal case in point.. Olde time friend now retired Lt. Col, Army two tours, grandfather, very religious man. He was riding with his crew of men down small town street when they were hit from all sides, as you say, some of his men had their brains in the street, others are bleeding to death, the .50 cal gunner dead. My friend manned the gun to save himself and the others still alive,...HE SAID, I DONT KNOW WHAT TOOK HOLD, BUT I SHOT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT MOVED, NO CONSIDERATION, IT MOVED IT DIED, NO UNIFORMS, ALL CIVILIANS TRYING TO KILL ALL OF US... You blow my friends brains out, I would blow yours away plus your family, that is war randge. We are NOT THERE, we stayed home voted and paid taxes so the government could pay kids to kill, I am guilty, you are guilty. Draftees did the very same thing in Vietnam, try to survive a year in a living hell.
How many children did he rape and murder?
I agree with you there, Cyni. This is on all of us, whether we like it or not. God knows what any of us would do under fire. I would probably go nuts from the adrenaline. Self-preservation and and the brute instinct for survival are one thing, but these men plotted the premeditated rape and assassination of non-combatants. That is quite another matter. Because we are all responsible, as you say, we cannot simply throw up our hands here and say "Boys will be boys."
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.
Murder or kill??? Big difference. Rape at his age, near 50, was not an interest. The day I sat thru my first NSA briefing, telling us we were going to kill 300,000 Russians within three minutes and thousands later from radiation, made us ill and become olde men very quick. Who were those 300,000??????????????????????????? Totally innocents, very few military, our job was to blow them away in the wink of an eye, olde people, children, innocents. Justification for rape and murder on a personal basis???? No. Yet people would HAVE JUSTIFIED US KILLING 300,000, JUST AS WE DID TO THE JAPANESE. War is impersonal and immoral, Patton said it all.
Murder or kill??? Big difference. You're evading the question. You know what I was asking and why. What these young animals did was rape a 14 year old girl and then murder her and her family, including a 6 year old sister. Yes the planning of the Pentagram and our so-called leaders is evil and immoral. It is the plans of sick and distorted men and women, but that is not the issue here. The issue is the actions of these accused young men for whom there is no excuse. As randge rightly pointed out they were NOT defending their lives. Fear of being killed is not an excuse for raping and murdering a 14 year old girl. I don't know what the standards were when you walked the walk but I did not wear the uniform to be presented with an excuse to rape and murder a 14 year old girl. You are allowing your affections for the deluded young men in uniform to shift your view from the realities of what has occurred here. And while your friend may well have defended his life in combat that is not related to the question of how would Americans react to invasion and occupation by a foreign power. They would fight back in any way they could, and would do so in honor justified in their actions to repel an invader just as the Iraqis are doing in attacking the invaders sent by a corrupt American Government. Prior to the salacious assault upon Iraq it was building toward first world status with one of the best medical and educational systems in the Middle East. It is now a war torn third world wreck of warring tribal groups and invading troops who are there based on lies. There is nothing moral or just in the U.S. presence in Iraq. There is nothing which excuses the behavior of these young animals in uniform. The uniform is no excuse, being in fear for their lives from Iraqi Resistance fighters is no excuse. What they did by any calculus of decency merits hanging from the nearest tree.
What these young animals did was rape a 14 year old girl and then murder her and her family, including a 6 year old sister. Evading nothing. Young animals????? We pay them every month, you me and randge. We all would scream bloody murder if our families were dragged away to fight such a war. Do you honestly believe there would be any moral difference????? Young men are taught to hate and kill, whatever you do, do not read history about any war that includes mass rape, mass murder. We as a country have done it all. I have suggested to randge that he read.."Valleys of Death"...short read by one that lived thru two wars, kill or be killed, no holds barred. He would be considered a sociopath these days by our friends. The author was caught by circumstances, we paid him to kill, murder or whatever, his only desire was to survive. Dissent???? Week ago today there was an anti war rally in Washington, less than 1000 people showed up, mostly WAR VETERANS. I had other things to do, such as stay home and spill my bile on the grunts in the Middle East, did my duty, right.
I opposed this war from the time it entered the public awareness and named then its supposed rationale a lie. Millions entered the streets in protest and the controlled media did everything they could to not cover it or minimize the numbers who stood up. That fewer are now standing up and attending rallies is no testament to anything other than the recognition that public protest is ignored by the criminal congress and increasingly people who do stand in opposition are personally targeted by the corrupt minions of a corrupt government. Witness the FBI raids on peaceful anti-war protesters. Under protest, and yes they are animals. Only animals would rape and murder a 14 year old girl, and then murder her family, including her 6 year old sister, to cover up the crime. That they did murder everyone to cover up their crime shows that they knew their sick and animalistic behavior would be rejected by any decent person. There are no number of sophistries you can engage in which change those FACTS. Hanging really is too good for them. And trying to justify it on the grounds that war is immoral and almost always wrong is not a valid justification. It is merely an acknowledgment that war is little more than the dramatizations of mass insanity. Yes, most soldiers and Marines merely want to survive the experience but the numbers of suicides and those who have become human wrecks through drug use, legal and illegal, is testament to the lengths they will go to deaden the pain of having taken part. Evil is not justified by being evil. Evil deeds are not justified because "ve ver chust followink hoarders".
Cyni, are you seeing the facts here or are you blinded by the fact you're a vet? The victims were not asking for trouble or even remotely engaged in threatening behavior. The perps were just daydreaming about raping a little 14 year old girl while on duty. Then they got off duty, changed their clothes, and made their way to the girl's residence. They got there, raped the little girl (with her family there), then killed her, her parents, and her 6 year old sister, then set the place on fire to cover their crimes. That is not an honorable or forgivable set of actions, no matter WHO the hell they are. They were in fact supposed to be "liberating" those people from oppression, one of the stated reasons of them being there in the first place. Sure, we can look back through history and find other examples of such evil deeds, but it doesn't make it right nor does it excuse their barbaric acts. I can't understand why YOU would side with such vermin.
Some justice is better than none. The Iraqi people never deserved to be invaded.
God is always good!
Cynicom is blinded by the fact he is a government agent. Just bozo him, he has nothing to say worth hearing.
God is always good!
All personal remarks aside. Hate the military, I do, hate the government I do, hate the grunts on the ground, I dont. Quite simple. Holier than thou self gratification by those not there is not acceptable.
I think those who start wars for profit are the most evil beings on this planet, next to those who deliberately set out to rape and kill an innocent child for sexual gratification and "fun". War isn't a blanket excuse to do whatever you wish, and those who do so will pay the price somewhere down the road. I really don't give a shit if you're hero or a common scrub dodging bullets, evil remains evil. Honorable men may have to kill or be killed, but they don't look forward to sexually terrorizing an innocent young girl then killing her and her family for sport.
Being in a combat zone is not Carte Blanche to commit the morally and ethically unacceptable. They murdered a 14 year old girl after foully raping her and then murdered her family, including her 6 year old sister, to cover up the crime. Please explain your justification for excusing that.
BTW, I never made a blanket statement against the troops. Many of those in the early days of the war signed up during peacetime and never thought they'd be used as pawns in a corporate war of adventure with no real purpose in terms of defending this country. Those who enlist THESE days however should have a good idea of what they're really doing, and should be held accountable for that fact alone. I can't believe that those signing up today really think they're "defending this country".
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The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
War isn't a blanket excuse to do whatever you wish, and those who do so will pay the price somewhere down the road. Set out to rape and kill????? If that is a blanket indictment of all grunts, it is wrong. If it is an indictment of the actual few, then by all means hang them, I have no truck with such. Every week we read of "innocent civilians" killed by errant pilots and bombs, the military says they are sorry and we forget, and the killing goes on. Endless, mindless war, brought to us by our government, whom we have all voted for and paid taxes to, so they may hire "sociopaths" to rape and murder in foreign lands. Of course we do not want a draft from this same government, let the thugs and goons etc bleed and die, we will pay our taxes, just dont involve us. THE DRAFT WILL COME, CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN OF THE GRUNT HATERS WILL THEN BECOME THE CANNON FODDER, and they will murder and rape, count on it.
Yes, those bastards DID set out to rape and kill that little girl. Do you have a reading comprehension deficit? Read the article again if you didn't already, because that is EXACTLY what those mother f'ckers did. If that is a blanket indictment of all grunts, it is wrong. If it is an indictment of the actual few, then by all means hang them, I have no truck with such. Are you drinking today Cyni? Where the fuck did I EVER say ALL troops are out to rape and kill innocent children? I was talking about THESE particular sons of bitches who DID.
fixed Yes, that would appear to repair his wagon. LOL! Try to keep it non personal and I would be glad to discuss with you.
Endless, mindless war, brought to us by our government, whom we have all voted for and paid taxes to, so they may hire "sociopaths" to rape and murder in foreign lands. Sure I pay taxes to avoid going to prison, and I couldn't NOT pay them anyways since it's deducted from my payroll by law. HOWEVER, don't include me in your "we" in terms of voting for those in power, since I did NOT vote for them. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, and for Chuck Baldwin in the general election. I voted Libertarian for congressional and senate seats, and for the local offices. I have been against military action against Iraq from back BEFORE we invaded that country; if you look up my old posts on FR you'll see that's true. I saw it as a ruse to weaken our own military, giving China a strategic edge in the long term as they became more powerful. Besides weakening the military in terms of manpower and equipment, it depletes our economy since all those bombs and bullets have no return on investment, causing our economy to nose dive. I've been saying that for over a decade. So no, I DO NOT vote for the bastards who send us off to self defeating military "actions" where we have no right to be nor even any good reason for being there at all. Of course we do not want a draft from this same government, let the thugs and goons etc bleed and die, we will pay our taxes, just dont involve us. If people such as you stopped voting for Obama or McCain, and elected someone like Ron Paul who WOULD pull us out of places we don't belong, then there would of course be no need for a draft. THE DRAFT WILL COME, CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN OF THE GRUNT HATERS WILL THEN BECOME THE CANNON FODDER, and they will murder and rape, count on it. If you find it so wonderful to place US troops in harms way with no chance of "winning", and require them to occupy lands coveted by the corporate puppet masters, then I guess eventually that might become fact. HOWEVER, those with any honor will NOT murder or rape. BTW, I was a US Marine, so fuck you with your "grunt hater" bullshit.
Of course we do not want a draft from this same government, let the thugs and goons etc bleed and die, we will pay our taxes, just dont involve us. If people such as you stopped voting for Obama or McCain, and elected someone like Ron Paul who WOULD pull us out of places we don't belong, then there would of course be no need for a draft. THE DRAFT WILL COME, CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN OF THE GRUNT HATERS WILL THEN BECOME THE CANNON FODDER, and they will murder and rape, count on it. If you find it so wonderful to place US troops in harms way with no chance of "winning", and require them to occupy lands coveted by the corporate puppet masters, then I guess eventually that might become fact. HOWEVER, those with any honor will NOT murder or rape. BTW, I was a US Marine, so fuck you with your "grunt hater" bullshit. There you go again, being personal. As long as you offered that you were a Marine, would you mind telling us when, where and what military action you were involved in????
Enlisted towards the end of Vietnam, but never went there.
Lurk... Maybe you missed it. We would be interested in when you were a Marine, where and what action you saw. Were you drafted or did you volunteer????????????
So you volunteered to kill people? And your life was never in great danger. Why did you volunteer? I volunteered to avoid the draft. That was most likely afore your time.
Let's keep it on an even keel, gents. We're all on the same side here, I believe.
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So you volunteered to kill people? I volunteered to defend this country by force if necessary. And your life was never in great danger. Not while in the service, but had a few issues later on in life where I slept with a loaded gun for good reason. Why did you volunteer? See my first answer. That, and the fact was, I wanted to do something different than working a minimum wage job for the rest of my life, and thought it would be an adventure. Always liked to shoot guns too. I volunteered to avoid the draft. That was most likely afore your time. By a couple of years.
Above is a written and pictorial account of what ALL SOLDIERS are capable of. If you peruse the first photo, you will see American soldiers machine gunning German soldiers in front of a stone wall. The Germans were unarmed and were POWs. You will note three still standing, around them lie dozens of dead Germans. I hope you take time to read. No one was ever punished.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."
#2. To: christine (#0)
6-year-old sister
#3. To: randge (#1)
(Edited)
" I wonder what sort of life Barker might have led had it not be short-circuited in the service of these cold-blooded purveyors of mayhem and misbegotten war."
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#4. To: christine (#0)
accused of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl last spring and killing her and her family, including a 6 year old girl.
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#5. To: randge (#1)
(Edited)
"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."
#6. To: Cynicom, christine, farmfriend, abraxas, Lady X, AngK (#5)
#7. To: Turtle (#6)
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
People that were not there and most likely never in any like circumstance.
#9. To: Cynicom (#5)
(Edited)
They are there on the ground dealing with death every day, we are not, so judge not.
#10. To: abraxas, Cynicom (#8)
One need not be a saint or holier than thou or have served to balk at such crimes......no matter the circumstances of war.
"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker answered. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."
#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)
What would Americans do if our country was invaded and occupied by a hostile nation that indiscriminately "lit up" innocent civilians "just for the fun of it"?
#12. To: randge, 4 (#11)
#13. To: randge (#11)
I tell you what I would do if there were foreign invaders here shooting the place up. I would hand one of these jokers a hot dog or whatever the hell else they wanted with a smile, and the minute they turned their backs, I would spray the pavement with their brains.
#14. To: randge, Original_Intent, All stay at iome heros (#11)
I tell you what I would do if there were foreign invaders here shooting the place up. I would hand one of these jokers a hot dog or whatever the hell else they wanted with a smile, and the minute they turned their backs, I would spray the pavement with their brains.
#15. To: Cynicom, randge, all (#14)
He was riding with his crew of men down small town street when they were hit from all sides, as you say, some of his men had their brains in the street, others are bleeding to death, the .50 cal gunner dead. My friend manned the gun to save himself and the others still alive,...HE SAID, I DONT KNOW WHAT TOOK HOLD, BUT I SHOT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT MOVED, NO CONSIDERATION, IT MOVED IT DIED, NO UNIFORMS, ALL CIVILIANS TRYING TO KILL ALL OF US...
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
I am guilty, you are guilty.
I DONT KNOW WHAT TOOK HOLD, BUT I SHOT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT MOVED, NO CONSIDERATION, IT MOVED IT DIED, NO UNIFORMS, ALL CIVILIANS TRYING TO KILL ALL OF US...
#17. To: Original_Intent, randge (#15)
How many children did he rape and murder?
#18. To: Cynicom, randge, all (#17)
How many children did he rape and murder?
#19. To: Original_Intent, ran dge, Phant2000 (#18)
You're evading the question. You know what I was asking and why.
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
Young animals????? We pay them every month, you me and randge. We all would scream bloody murder if our families were dragged away to fight such a war.
Young animals????? We pay them every month, you me and randge. ...
#21. To: Cynicom (#19)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#22. To: christine (#0)
#23. To: FormerLurker (#21)
#24. To: FormerLurker (#21)
Cyni, are you seeing the facts here or are you blinded by the fact you're a vet?
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: Cynicom, FormerLurker, randge (#24)
Holier than thou self gratification by those not there is not acceptable.
#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
(Edited)
hate the grunts on the ground, I dont
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#28. To: Turtle, Cynicom, christine, abraxas, Lady X, AngK (#6)
All I ask in return are cigars, wine, and a harem of 400# girls.
#29. To: FormerLurker, All Grunt Haters (#25)
I think those who start wars for profit are the most evil beings on this planet, next to those who deliberately set out to rape and kill an innocent child for sexual gratification and "fun".
#30. To: Cynicom (#29)
(Edited)
Set out to rape and kill?????
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: farmfriend, Turdle, Turtle (#28)
All I ask in return are cigars, wine, and a harem of 400# girls.
#32. To: FormerLurker (#30)
Do you have a reading comprehension deficit?
#33. To: Cynicom (#29)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: FormerLurker (#33)
So no, I DO NOT vote for the bastards who send us off to self defeating military "actions" where we have no right to be nor even any good reason for being there at all.
#35. To: Cynicom (#34)
As long as you offered that you were a Marine, would you mind telling us when, where and what military action you were involved in????
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: FormerLurker, All Grunt haters (#33)
BTW, I was a US Marine, so fuck you with your "grunt hater" bullshit.
#37. To: FormerLurker (#35)
Enlisted towards the end of Vietnam, but never went there.
#38. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#35)
#39. To: Cynicom (#37)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: FormerLurker, Phant2000, randge, Original_intent, All Grunt Haters (#39)
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