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Title: Einstein exposed as a phony by 12-year-old?
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URL Source: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/wews-1 ... ving-einsteins-theory-of-relat
Published: Apr 2, 2011
Author: * By Garrett Downing (WEWS)
Post Date: 2011-04-02 03:57:40 by Tatarewicz
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Home : News : 12-year-old genius takes aim as disproving Einstein's Theory of Relativity HAMILTON COUNTY, Ind. - What were you doing when you were 12 years old? Playing video games? Dreaming of winning a Heisman Trophy? Maybe starting to show a little interest in a significant other? It’s probably safe to say you weren’t taking on Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. Well, that’s what 12-year-old Jake Barnet, of Hamilton County, Indiana, is proposing. Jake has become somewhat of an Internet star thanks to YouTube videos of his ideas about mathematics and physics, which his mom shoots and posts online. In one of the most recent videos, Jake discusses Einstein’s Theory of relativity, explaining in the description why he might have a different theory: “My initial perception from this is that light does have mass,” Jake writes. “Obviously, energy coming out of a system where light is emitted could not be conserved otherwise. You can correct me later if I change my mind, but for the moment this is my perception.” Jake has a mild form of autism, according to http://Time.com, and he also has an I.Q. of 170. He taught himself calculus, algebra and geometry in two weeks and graduated high school at the age of eight. He has been attending college-level physics classes since then. The channel with all of his videos has thousands of hits.
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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
I wish this kid could expose the Federal Reserve Chairman, Bernanke and his co- conspirators - they're still living and their crimes are certainly "RELATIVE" !
"What is required is the abolition of the Federal Reserve and its insidious control over the economic life of America. Instead of tax bills, the bankers and their hirelings need to be served with court summons. The bankers should be charged with financial crimes against humanity, not tax avoidance. " - Kurt Nimmo -2011
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
It really doesn't take a genius to see the theory of relativity is bogus. But hey, I am glad the kid isn't doing like most people who learn things and just believe everything they are told without ever even thinking that they might not be learning the truth.
God is always good!
It's not that the theory of relativity is bogus, it's that it could well be incomplete. He's apparently unaware of the fact scientists have known for a long time that light exhibits properties of both waves AND particles.
Well, my PERCEPTION is that it is bogus. I am not saying it is total BS, but there are certainly parts of it that are total BS.
God is always good!
Perceptually, it makes no sense. Why would it matter how fast one travels in terms of time speeding up or slowing down? Yet it does. Out of curiousity, what part of it do you find to be total BS?
Honestly, I might be wrong about it not taking a genius to see the theory of relativity is wrong. So many people do not think on their own and just parrot what they have "learned" in school and they think they are "educated" by doing so. No, they aren't educated, they are indoctrinated into a belief system. Most "scientists" today are also not geniuses, just indoctrinated zombies like most of the population is. I give credit to this boy to actually think on his own, if only more people would do as him the elite could not rule us as they do now.
God is always good!
Many people have questioned the Theory of Relativity. Not one of them have been able to prove it wrong, including this kid. And that kid isn't the only genius to have tried.
Obviously, this kid doesn't realize that an object doesn't lose mass by giving off light. And what many scientists don't realize or accept is that light is but a vibration of a yet little understood substance which for lack of a better word, is called space-time. It has been called the aether in the past, and although it was supposedly disproven to exist, I doubt it was disproven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Many people questioned the theory that the Earth was flat at one time, and according to the PTB of that day none of them were able to "prove" it wasn't flat. Just because the majority of people believe something is true, hardly makes it true.
God is always good!
Many people questioned what Galieo and Copernicus said as well, and insisted that the world was flat because that is what they were taught. That, and they just couldn't understand why people didn't fall off the earth if it was shaped like a ball.
The majority of people can't understand the abstract concepts inherent in the theory of relativity. So, they fall back on common man thinking and simply say it's impossible, since they can't understand it. If it were impossible, then many things we take for granted today wouldn't exist. GPS navigation is one of those things. From Introduction to general relativity A number of other tests have probed the validity of various versions of the equivalence principle; strictly speaking, all measurements of gravitational time dilation are tests of the weak version of that principle, not of general relativity itself. So far, general relativity has passed all observational tests.[32] Actually, yes, I was taking on Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity around that age. I was (was?) a total nerd with a Commodore Vic-20 computer. I wrote programs to explore Relativity. My goal was to find a loophole to allow FTL travel. I predict Jake Barnet will fail, but wish him luck trying.
I also have the suspicion that FTL travel is possible. I view the speed of light as simply the propagation velocity of energy through the medium of space-time. You can compare the speed of light to the speed a wave would travel through water by dropping a pebble into it, where instead of water we're talking about space-time. The wave of water can only travel at a certain velocity, whereas a boat which propels that water with a propeller can move MUCH faster than the wave could. Hence, since a physical object differs from light itself as it is not simply a propagation of energy through space-time, it could actually propel itself through that medium faster than a wave of light could travel.
At an early age I figured I wanted to build a starship. Thing is, I realized I needed a computer to be able to do that. Then I realized I needed to build the computer first. Well I've accomplished that much so far at least.
My understanding was not that the object couldn't travel faster but that they expand as they get faster and it was this expansion that was limiting.
The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
But will you be able to see where you're going?
Once you get to the speed of light squared then you're pure energy according to E=mC2.
While at the same time, the amount of energy required to accelerate would approach infinity as one got closer to the speed of light. Who knows what would really happen till someone tries it. I figure if we were to build a ship that could accelerate at one earth gravity for about a year the ship would be at the speed of light by the end of that time. It would be during the last month or so relavistic effects would be noticed, and it'd become clear whether or not the acceleration was decreasing. However, since time dilates in proportion to the velocity, perhaps not a whole year would go by on the ship till it reached actual light speed. In fact, it could be that as one reached apparent light speed, time would have slowed down so much the velocity might APPEAR to be faster than light.
It has to do with energy. If I remember correctly, if there were some way to jump the light barrier an objects kinetic energy would decrease the faster it went past light speed. Up to about 1.4X light speed, past that an objects energy would be less than inertial energy (that's probably a bad thing). The above is based on vague recollections of computer simulations I ran 30 years ago.
That is the part of relativity that I think might be wrong. We won't know for sure until someone builds a ship capable of constant acceleration at 1G for a period of one year.
Actually, that's not quite true. E=mc2 is simply an equation which shows how much energy is available in a given mass in terms of MKS units. Thus, if you have 1 kilogram of mass, you would have c2 joules of energy available in that mass if you could convert the entire mass to energy. Since light travels at 299,792,458 meters per second, and the square of that is 89,875,517,873,681,764 (or 89.9 x 1015), then you'd have that many joules of energy for a 1 kilogram object.
E=mC2 gives the inertial (rest) energy. There is another Einstein formula for kinetic (velocity) energy. well I really think the answer will be quantum tunneling. They have already managed to The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
With all of your high-powered knowledge whats with your use of "accede" (rather than exceed)? I like your URL conversion. How do you do it?
Light-speed travel is really academic. Wouldn't be able to avoid crashing into solid objects in space, black holes.
Late at night, tired. Had a migraine yesterday that wouldn't go away. Messes with my thought processes. And I can't spell worth a darn. I know a PhD in orbital mechanics that can't spell either but damn he can do math. Once I used succeed when I meant to use secede. Happens. I've gotten better with Firefox's built in spell checker but sadly it won't catch wrong word use. I do know the difference but I don't always catch it. I'll add spaces. I know there is a code you can use so you can post it normal and have it show up but I don't remember it. I also seem to be the only one on this forum who does proper blockquoting when quoting more than once. < a href = URL here > what you want link to say < /a>
The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
There is also a theoretical particle called the tachyon which exists only at velocities greater than "c". As well other thoughts on getting around the speed of light limitations, although I suspect but cannot prove that it is not a limit, would be to change the vibrational state of matter shifting it into an out of phase condition with the physical universe somewhere between this universe and one of the parallel ones and thus sidestepping collisions with matter in the extant universe. That also suggests a possibility of change vector orientation and thus effectively shortening the distance between two points in this universe by transiting through another at an angle to this one.
That's all well and good, but I think a ship at 1G acceleration traveling out into the cosmos for a one year mission would reveal a LOT about what we need to know about star travel. [1 year mission if robotic] Migraines could be due to something in diet...something that dilates blood vessels. Second-hand smoke used to trigger mine years ago.
ok. there. ;-)
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 mine are hormones. Hell being female.
The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
LOL
The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
That in no way proves the absurd theory of relativity.
God is always good!
Here you are wrong. The majority of people accept the theory of relativity. NONE understand it, they just ACCEPT it. Parroting what others have said is not understanding anything or knowing anything.
God is always good!
Although we may already have the technology. The late Mr. Northrop, founder of Northrop Aviation, is supposed to have commented to a small group at a dinner party "we have the technology but they won't let us go". Who "they" is remains unknown. Another more recent was the former head of the "Skunk Works" making a similar comment to his son while he was in the hospital. That we already have the technology but that it is buried deep in "black" world super secrecy. I think it obvious it can be done. All of those visitors who stop by aren't getting here on their skateboards.
So you believe in aliens despite not ever seeing them? You trust others accounts on this matter? You don't trust the government about anything, but you trust that we have been visited by aliens because of unprovable rumors? Everyone should think for themselves like this boy is doing. Don't believe anything just because you have heard it, even if it comes from people you trust, they could be sincerely wrong.
God is always good!
I'll ask you again. What part of it do you disagree with? I don't agree with the entire thing myself, I'm just curious which part of it YOU disagree with.
I'm not interested in debating it but not because there is not a substantial body of evidence. Just because the government started a PsyOp in the 50's telling people they aren't seeing what they are seeing is no more factual than "Alice Through the Looking Glass". True, and I commend you for your attempt to do so. Keep trying you'll get the hang of it yet.
Hahahahahaha !!!!!
"What is required is the abolition of the Federal Reserve and its insidious control over the economic life of America. Instead of tax bills, the bankers and their hirelings need to be served with court summons. The bankers should be charged with financial crimes against humanity, not tax avoidance. " - Kurt Nimmo -2011
I'm a baaaaaaaaaaaad boy. ;-)
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#2. To: noone222 (#1)
#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
#4. To: RickyJ (#3)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#5. To: FormerLurker (#4)
It's not that the theory of relativity is bogus, it's that it could well be incomplete.
#6. To: RickyJ (#5)
Well, my PERCEPTION is that it is bogus. I am not saying it is total BS, but there are certainly parts of it that are total BS.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#7. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
#8. To: RickyJ, Tatarewicz (#7)
I give credit to this boy to actually think on his own, if only more people would do as him the elite could not rule us as they do now.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: Tatarewicz, RickyJ (#0)
Jake writes. “Obviously, energy coming out of a system where light is emitted could not be conserved otherwise. You can correct me later if I change my mind, but for the moment this is my perception.”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)
(Edited)
Many people have questioned the Theory of Relativity. Not one of them have been able to prove it wrong, including this kid.
#11. To: RickyJ (#10)
Many people questioned the theory that the Earth was flat at one time, and according to the PTB of that day none of them were able to "prove" it wasn't flat. Just because the majority of people believe something is true, hardly makes it true.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: RickyJ (#10)
Just because the majority of people believe something is true, hardly makes it true.
One particular set of observations is related to eminently useful practical applications, namely to satellite navigation systems such as the Global Positioning System that are used both for precise positioning and timekeeping. Such systems rely on two sets of atomic clocks: clocks aboard satellites orbiting the Earth, and reference clocks stationed on the Earth's surface. General relativity predicts that these two sets of clocks should tick at slightly different rates, due to their different motions (an effect already predicted by special relativity) and their different positions within the Earth's gravitational field. In order to ensure the system's accuracy, the satellite clocks are either slowed down by a relativistic factor, or that same factor is made part of the evaluation algorithm. In turn, tests of the system's accuracy (especially the very thorough measurements that are part of the definition of universal coordinated time) are testament to the validity of the relativistic predictions.[31]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#13. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
It’s probably safe to say you weren’t taking on Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.
#14. To: Armadillo, Tatarewicz (#13)
My goal was to find a loophole to allow FTL travel.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#15. To: Armadillo (#13)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#16. To: FormerLurker, Armadillo, Tatarewicz (#14)
Hence, since a physical object differs from light itself as it is not simply a propagation of energy through space-time, it could actually propel itself through that medium faster than a wave of light could travel.
#17. To: Armadillo (#13)
My goal was to find a loophole to allow FTL travel.
#18. To: farmfriend (#16)
they expand as they get faster and it was this expansion that was limiting.
#19. To: farmfriend (#16)
(Edited)
My understanding was not that the object couldn't travel faster but that they expand as they get faster and it was this expansion that was limiting.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker, Armadillo, Tatarewicz (#16)
My understanding was not that the object couldn't travel faster but that they expand as they get faster and it was this expansion that was limiting.
The faster an object moves the more energy it takes to accelerate faster. Kind of like wind resistance, but with the fabric of space-time instead of air.
To get a pebble to 100% light speed would require an infinite amount of energy.
#21. To: Armadillo (#20)
The faster an object moves the more energy it takes to accelerate faster. Kind of like wind resistance, but with the fabric of space-time instead of air.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#22. To: Tatarewicz (#18)
Once you get to the speed of light squared then you're pure energy according to E=mC2.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#23. To: Tatarewicz (#18)
(Edited)
Once you get to the speed of light squared then you're pure energy according to E=mC2.
#24. To: FormerLurker, Armadillo, Tatarewicz (#19)
(Edited)
accede exceed the speed of light, sort of, by using a quantum tunnel.
#25. To: farmfriend (#24)
#26. To: Armadillo (#23)
#27. To: Tatarewicz (#25)
With all of your high-powered knowledge whats with your use of "accede" (rather than exceed)?
I like your URL conversion. How do you do it?
#28. To: Armadillo, FormerLurker (#20)
#29. To: Original_Intent, Armadillo (#28)
(Edited)
[4 year mission if manned (need to slow down, turn around, and come back]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#30. To: farmfriend (#27)
#31. To: farmfriend (#27)
I also seem to be the only one on this forum who does proper blockquoting when quoting more than once.
blah blah blah
1 more time
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#32. To: Tatarewicz (#30)
Migraines could be due to something in diet...something that dilates blood vessels. Second-hand smoke used to trigger mine years ago.
#33. To: Artisan (#31)
#34. To: FormerLurker (#12)
If it were impossible, then many things we take for granted today wouldn't exist. GPS navigation is one of those things.
#35. To: FormerLurker (#12)
(Edited)
The majority of people can't understand the abstract concepts inherent in the theory of relativity. So, they fall back on common man thinking and simply say it's impossible, since they can't understand it.
#36. To: FormerLurker, Armadillo (#29)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)
All of those visitors who stop by aren't getting here on their skateboards.
#38. To: RickyJ (#34)
That in no way proves the absurd theory of relativity.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: RickyJ (#37)
but you trust that we have been visited by aliens because of unprovable rumors?
Everyone should think for themselves ...
#40. To: Original_Intent (#39)
Everyone should think for themselves ... True, and I commend you for your attempt to do so. Keep trying you'll get the hang of it yet.
#41. To: noone222 (#40)
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