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Title: Feds seek $7M in privately made 'Liberty Dollars'
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URL Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds- ... ly-apf-641808269.html?x=0&.v=1
Published: Apr 5, 2011
Author: Tom Breen
Post Date: 2011-04-05 06:03:22 by noone222
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RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- Federal prosecutors on Monday tried to take a hoard of silver "Liberty Dollars" worth about $7 million that authorities say was invented by an Indiana man to compete with U.S. currency. Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted last month in federal court in Statesville on conspiracy and counterfeiting charges for making and selling the currency, which he promoted as inflation-proof competition for the U.S. dollar. His Charlotte-based lawyer, Aaron Michel, is appealing that verdict. He wrote in a motion filed Thursday that von NotHaus did nothing wrong because he didn't try to pass the Liberty Dollars off as U.S. dollars. "The prosecutors successfully painted Mr. von NotHaus in a false light and now the U.S. Attorney responsible for the prosecution is painting the case in a false light, saying that it establishes that private voluntary barter currency is illegal," Michel wrote. The trial was scheduled to resume Monday in Statesville. The case involves more than five tons of Liberty Dollars and precious metals seized from a warehouse, which the government wants to take by forfeiture, according to federal prosecutors and Michel. Von NotHaus began issuing Liberty Dollars in 1998, as head of the Evansville, Ind.-based National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code. In 2007, the group's headquarters were raided along with the Sunshine Mint in Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, where the coins were made. The case is being tried in Statesville because one of the organization's top officers is based in Asheville, and because an undercover investigator made contact with the group in North Carolina. Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins. "Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said in a statement after von NotHaus was convicted. Von NotHaus has argued it's not illegal to create currency to privately trade goods and services. He also has said his organization took pains to say the Liberty Dollars shouldn't be called "coins" and shouldn't be presented as government-minted cash. Among other benefits, Michel's motion argues, the Liberty Dollars were a means to help keep currency in local communities by creating networks of merchants and consumers who used the money. Numerous cities and regions around the country have experimented with local currency, but laws restrict them from resembling U.S. bills or from being passed off as money printed by the federal government. The concerns raised by von NotHaus and his group are finding resonance among some state lawmakers, too. About a dozen states have legislation that would allow them to produce their own currency backed by gold or silver in the event of hyperinflation striking the U.S. dollar. North and South Carolina are among those states. That's partly why von NotHaus' group has been followed for years by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that tracks political extremism. Long before the government began its investigation into von NotHaus, the group was raising concerns about the popularity of Liberty Dollars among fringe groups on the far right. "He's playing on a core idea of the radical right, that evil bankers in the Federal Reserve are ripping you off by controlling the money supply," said Mark Potok, spokesman for the group. "He very much exists in the world of the anti-government patriot movement, whatever he may say. That's who his customers are." Von NotHaus is currently free on bond. If the conviction against him is upheld, he faces up to 25 years in prison and a fine of $750,000. A sentencing date has not been set yet.
Poster Comment: "EVERY" freedom lover in America should support the LIBERTY DOLLAR and its creator, Bernard von NotHaus, NOW ! The FEDS (AKA the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK) are the terrorists.
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If we allow the Jews running the FED to lock Von NotHaus up and steal the contents seized by their Gestapo thugs ... we deserve everything we get from that point onward. This is a travesty being carried out by the FEDERAL RESERVE Fox usurping the Hen House (Congressional House) filled today with chickenshit traitors. The Banking Cabal operating the fraudulent FED RESERVE that has caused the international economy to tank now wants to insure the global corpse has no ability to resurrect itself by returning to honest monetary policy. Billboards supporting Von NotHaus and the LIBERTY DOLLAR should pop up all over the country ! These signs should have a picture of the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE and a disclaimer that: THIS MONEY IS COUNTERFEIT, HAS RUINED AMERICA, AND IS TRYING TO DESTROY THE GLOBAL ECONOMY. This kangaroo conviction is an attack upon our ability to choose for ourselves an honest monetary policy. This conviction says that you WILL USE THIS FRAUDULENT SYSTEM at the point of a gun that's backed by an army of idiots (THAT YOU PAY) that are too stupid to know the difference between money and the shit the FED RES puts out. The SPLC has tossed in their 2 cents worth by calling the defendants in this case terrorists. Morris Dees and his cocksucker friends are nothing more than rabid dogs defecating in America's front yard and biting her children. What should be done to deter this rabid Jew pit-bull ? Who really gives a fiddler's fuck what the SPLC has to say ?
"What is required is the abolition of the Federal Reserve and its insidious control over the economic life of America. Instead of tax bills, the bankers and their hirelings need to be served with court summons. The bankers should be charged with financial crimes against humanity, not tax avoidance. " - Kurt Nimmo -2011
The theft of this man's PERSONAL property. If I were to make $7 Million in Jewelry, would I too, become a victim of theft? You bet your fucking ass I would. This is about stealing REAL wealth, and giving to whom??? Where is this silver going? Oh yeah, probably to the Federal Reserve. This is theft, and those in power who are conducting this theft, should be taken out and hung publicly.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist. I went to Chernobyl, and all I got was this glow in the dark T-shirt. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Funny thing: The govt's inventory of what it found in von NotHaus's vaults shows tons of copper, about 3/4 of a ton of silver .... but no gold. No gold coins or metal in his vaults, despite his heavy promotion of his "gold" coins!
Arrest Bernanke.
She's a stupid bitch. The "legitimate currency" of this country is "gold and silver Coin." Says so right in the Constitution. I wonder if it has never occurred to that simpleton that you cannot "coin" paper. The Federal Reserve is the biggest counterfeiter of all time and the owners of it have had the backing of the politicians since 1913.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Gold and Silver are the legitimate coinage of "THAT" country we forfeited in 1913 as a result of the FEDERAL RESERVE Act and implementation of said Act. Until we return to honest money we will remain subject to the slave-driving banksters. It is really that simple.
"Any man that enters the FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK) GOVERNMENT is serving the unilateral interests of the FEDERAL MAFIA, including Ron Paul." - Doug Scheidt (AKA noone222) 04-05-11
You are such an obvious shill ... maybe the FEDS "overlooked it"
"Any man that enters the FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK) GOVERNMENT is serving the unilateral interests of the FEDERAL MAFIA, including Ron Paul." - Doug Scheidt (AKA noone222) 04-05-11
Hang him and the rest of his Jew buddies like Geithner and the Goldman Sachs crew !
"Any man that enters the FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK) GOVERNMENT is serving the unilateral interests of the FEDERAL MAFIA, including Ron Paul." - Doug Scheidt (AKA noone222) 04-05-11
I believe we're right up to THE day that lone wolf American domestic terrorists start to pick up their pace. We're the creative and successful people on this planet in spite of the Federaleinsteins. We can dismantle this charade.
who was the zio looter in the pentagon ?
rense.com Latest On Rabbi Zakheim And The Missing $2.3 Trillion 3-28-7 "I believe this to be a very important article. As you may probably know, I've steadfastly maintained that Dov Zakheim, the former Comptroller of the Pentagon, is a key conspirator in the 9/11 fraud. The following article sheds more light on this powerful shadowy character; the missing $2.3 Trillion; his connection to the mysterious Boeing 767 tanker deal (I believe the aircraft that impacted the Twin Towers were KC-767s, the military tanker version of the Boeing 767); and his involvement in SPC, the company that manufactures remote control 'termination' systems for aircraft. Yes, things are beginning to snap into focus very quickly..." -- a physicist in the 911 Truth movement Following Zakheim And The Pentagon Trillions To Israel And 911 By Jerry Mazza Online Journal Associate Editor 3-28-7 Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books [1]. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11's rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim's watch. Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense. So the dark card was shifted to another part of the deck. Judicial Inc's bio of Dov (linked below) tells us Zakheim was/is a dual Israeli/American citizen and an ordained rabbi and had been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. He is, as I described him earlier, the bionic Zionist. In fact, Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel's armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value. Judicial Inc also points out that Israel, a country of 4.8 million Russian and Polish Jewish émigrés, flies on one of the biggest Air Forces in the world, thanks to Mr. Zakheim. Conflict of interest here? Depends on what you're interested in. That is, in 2001 Zakheim was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever. More from the resume: Wikipedia points out that Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co- author of the Project for the New American Century's position paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations. As to Zakheim's hell-raiser lineage, Judicial Inc points out that Grandpa Zakheim was born in 1870, Julius Zakheim (Zhabinka), in the Ukraine, a Russian rabbi who married a relative of Karl Marx. He was a Menshevik/Bolshevik and played a leading role in the 1905 turmoil that paved the way for the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolshevik master plan called for the state of Israel, which was chosen for its proximity to the world's oil and an area of religious significance. Dov's Father, Rabbi Jacob I. Zakheim was born in 1910 and reared in Poland's swarm of Zionist hard guys, read assassins and bombers. His Polish town, near Bilaystok, also brought us Yitzhak Shir, and family friends included Menachem Begin and Moshe Arens. Dov's father was an active member of Betar, formed in 1923 in Riga, Latvia. Its goal was to control the Middle East (and its oil). It was known that the Jewish people needed their own country and they chose Palestine and claimed it a Jewish state "on both sides of the Jordan." Betar was in essence a terrorist organization formed because Zionists were sick of being chased from and arrested in country after country. They wanted both a place to escape and a base for their power. Betar joined forces with the Haganah, Irgun, and Stern gangs. With no prospect of a Jewish state in sight, they argued that armed struggle against the British was the only way. Since Britain occupied Palestine and was containing them they went on a blood feast of bombings that killed hundreds of British soldiers. The British pulled out, but the Zionists continue to maul the Arabs to this day. For a concise history on the Formation of Israel in 1947, I suggest: http://www.theocracywatch.org/ christian_zionism_israel_forms.htm Returning to Mr. Dov Zakheim: he was born in Brooklyn in 1943 and attended exclusive Jewish schools, spent summers in Israel Zionist camps, which trained the Zionists of the future. As to Dov's formal education, he graduated from Columbia University in 1970 and the University of Oxford in 1972. From 1973 to 75, he attended the London school of Jewish studies, described as a "Harry Potter" type cauldron; among the subjects Jewish supremacy, Advanced Bible, Talmud, Jewish Mysticism, Holocaust, Anglo-Judaica, and Zionism. After, he was ordained a Rabbi. From 1975 to 80, Zakheim was an adjunct professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University, Columbia University and Trinity College, Hartford, Connecticut. As he stepped into the Reagan administration, he talked them into funding development of the Lavi Fighter at a cost of $3 billion. The Lavi was a total flop and Israel dropped it, though it owed $450 million in contract fees that were cancelled. Israel, according to Judicial Inc, also created a story that China was eager to buy the Lavi. Zakheim convinced Reagan that China had to be sandbagged. Reagan gave Israel $500 million for its lost contracts. Reagan then threw in a wing of F-16's as a bonus and sign of good will. Do we see a pattern here, personal, familial, career-wise, of over-the-top Israeli advocacy? Again, during Zakheim's tenure as Pentagon controller from May 4, 2001, to March 10, 2004, over $3 trillion dollars were unaccounted for. Additionally, military Information was jeopardized and military contractors billed the US for Israeli items: $50 million dollar fighter jets were rated as surplus and the list rolls on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaced and Zakheim resigned, Israel was handed the finest fighter jets in the US inventory while 15 percent of US jets were grounded for lack of parts. In whose best interest was this? But Dov is not alone. He is one of an elite group of Jewish Americans/Israelis who inter-marry and enter government. They and their Christian counterparts are called neocons and their sole purpose is directing US policy. Most of them are dual citizens and few serve in the US military. Think of Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, Ben Wattenberg, to mention a few. Whether their motivation is anger at the Muslim world, seen as a religious and territorial enemy, or a deep-rooted reaction to the Holocaust, the culmination of European anti-Semitism, their reactionary militarism becomes a world-threatening force unto itself. Hence our concern. Dov and the World Trade Center Perhaps not coincidentally in May 2001, when Dov served at the Pentagon, it was an SPS (his firm's) subsidiary, Tridata Corporation, that oversaw the investigation of the first "terrorist" attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. This would have given them intimate knowledge of the security systems and structural blueprints of the World Trade Center. From the '90s through 2001, WTC Security was handled by Securacom, a Kuwait-American firm, on whose board Marvin Bush, the president's brother, sat. After 9/11, Securacom was let go, changed its name to Stratosec, and was delisted from the Stock Exchange in 2002. According to Conspiracy News.net writers Shadow and 'Pax' in Dov Zakheim and the 9/11 Conspiracy, "According to the SPC website, a recent customer at that time was Eglin AFB, located in Florida. Eglin is very near another Air Force base in Florida, MacDill AFB, where Dov Zakheim contracted to send at least 32 Boeing 767 aircraft, as part of the Boeing /Pentagon tanker lease agreement. "As the events of September 11, 2001 occurred, little was mentioned about these strange connections, and the possible motives and proximity of Dov Zakheim and his group. Since there was little physical evidence remaining after the events, investigators were left only with photographic and anecdotal evidence. "There is a photograph of the Flight Termination System module, from their site.(5). Note it has a cylindrical shape, and is consistent with the size and shape of the object observed under the fuselage of flight 175. "The Boeing lease deal involved the replacement of the aging KC-135 tanker fleet with these smaller, more efficient Boeing 767s that were to be leased by Dov Zakheim's group. The planes were to be refitted with refueling equipment, including lines and nozzle assemblies." (Remember both Flight 175, that hit the South Tower, and Flight 11, that hit the North Tower, were Boeing 767s. Flights 77 and 93 were 757s.) "In the enlargement of flight 175's photo, we can clearly see a cylindrical object under the fuselage, and a structure that appears to be attached to the right underside of the rear fuselage section. "When seen in comparison, it is obvious that the plane approaching the Trade Center has both of these structures-the FTS module and the midair refueling equipment, as configured on the modified Boeing 767 tankers. Of particular interest is the long tube-like anomalous structure under the rear fuselage area of flight 175-this structure runs along the right rear bottom of the plane, as it also does on the Boeing 767 refueling tanker pictured. "After considering this information, I [the author/s] am convinced that flight 175, as pictured on the news media and official reports, was in fact a refitted Boeing 767 tanker, with a Flight Termination System attached. Use of this system would also explain the expert handling of aircraft observed in both New York and Washington investigations, which has been officially credited to inexperienced flight school students. "Since the refitted 767s were able to carry both passengers and a fuel load, as shown in this photo, it is likely that the plane designated Flight 175 was in fact a refitted 767 tanker, disguised as a conventional commercial passenger plane. "As shown in this photo of a 767 being serviced, the FTS unit, when in position, would be small and unobtrusive enough to be fairly innocuous (at least to casual observers, such as passengers). The smallest circle indicates the size and position of the anomaly depicted in the photos of Flight 175. The larger circle, which is the size of the engine housing, shows the size of the anomaly in relation to the engine. Note the size and position of the open hatches on the engine housing, which would tend to discredit the widely held theory that the anomaly is an open hatch or cargo door. "As the . . . diagram shows, all flights involved in the events traveled very near many military installations, and appear to have traveled in a manner suggesting guidance and possible transfer of the control of the planes among the bases. "Since the evidence from the World Trade Center site was quickly removed, there is little concrete evidence of the involvement of Dov Zakheim, who has since left his position at the Pentagon. However, the proximity of Eglin AFB to MacDill AFB in Florida and Dov Zakheim's work via SPC contracts and the Pentagon leasing agreement on both of these installations, combined with SPC's access to World Trade Center structural and security information from their Tridata investigation in 1993, is highly suspicious. Considering his access to Boeing 767 tankers, remote control flight systems, and his published views in the PNAC document, it seems very likely he is in fact a key figure in the alleged terrorist attacks in New York City on September 11, 2001." [1] "I know Dr. Zakheim has been trying to hire CPAs because the financial systems of the department are so snarled up that we can't account for some $2.6 TRILLION in transactions that exist..." -Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, during testimony before the House Appropriations Committee: Fiscal Year 2002 Defense Budget Request, as given by Secy. Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton, and Comptroller Dov Zakheim; on Monday, July 16, 2001. ___________________ DOV ZAKHEIM A brief resume' Graduate of the prestigious London School of Economics (PhD), and the University of Oxford (National Science Foundation Graduate Fellow) Former CEO of Systems Planning Corporation, a highly specialized defense technology company that manufactures a one-of-a-kind remote-piloting system for aircraft, including commercial airliners Senior Fellow for Asian Studies of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Member of the Task Force on Defense Reform (appointed by Secretary of Defense Cohen) Senior Advisor at the Center for International and Strategic Studies Former Under Secretary of Defense (appointed by George W. Bush) Comptroller of the Pentagon Pioneer and prime architect of Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the neo-con cabal that authored Rearming America's Defenses (RAD), the bible for American global domination Author of "Flight Of The Lavi: Inside A US-Israeli Crisis" (Brassey's, 1996) Long-time Bush associate, having served as a policy advisor to the governor during the 2000 campaign Columnist for The Jerusalem Post Editorial Board member of Israel Affairs Ordained Rabbi Citizen of the State of Israel - How a citizen of Israel can serve as Comptroller of America's central defense establishment is a question I shall leave to others for comment. While they ponder this perturbing oddity, perhaps they could also shed light on why every one of the following kingpins of the Bush administration are also Israeli citizens: Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Richard Haas, Kenneth Adelman, Edward Luttwak, Robert Satloff, David Frum, David Wurmser, Steve Goldsmith, Phillip Zelikow, and Marc Grossman. _________________ 9/11 was an inside job. Our nation is in peril. The perpetrators are in positions of power. Demand a new investigation. Stand up. Be counted. http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Temp/Temp- DovZakim&TheLostPentagonTrillions-Andy.htm
Dov Zakheim
"Any man that enters the FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK) GOVERNMENT is serving the unilateral interests of the FEDERAL MAFIA, including Ron Paul." - Doug Scheidt (AKA noone222) 04-05-11
thanks. i thought maybe he got scrubbed from the Internets.
i wonder where the rabbi's hanging out these days.
He went to work for Booz - Allen (a CIA law firm). He actually kinda slithered over to Booz-Allen like most vipers do. "Any man that enters the FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK) GOVERNMENT is serving the unilateral interests of the FEDERAL MAFIA, including Ron Paul." - Doug Scheidt (AKA noone222) 04-05-11
I thought that Dov had bailed to jizrael.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
You could very well be correct ... I have no idea where he is today.
"Any man that enters the FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK) GOVERNMENT is serving the unilateral interests of the FEDERAL MAFIA, including Ron Paul." - Doug Scheidt (AKA noone222) 04-05-11
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#3. To: noone222 (#0)
#4. To: noone222 (#0)
"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said in a statement after von NotHaus was convicted.
#5. To: noone222 (#0)
"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said in a statement after von NotHaus was convicted.
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OsamaBinGoldstein
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
The "legitimate currency" of this country is "gold and silver Coin." Says so right in the Constitution.
#7. To: Shoonra (#3)
Funny thing: The govt's inventory of what it found in von NotHaus's vaults shows tons of copper, about 3/4 of a ton of silver .... but no gold. No gold coins or metal in his vaults, despite his heavy promotion of his "gold" coins!
#8. To: TooConservative (#4)
Arrest Bernanke.
#9. To: noone222 (#0)
The FEDS (AKA the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK) are the terrorists.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#10. To: noone222, Itistoolate (#8)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#11. To: All (#10)
http://www.rense.com/general75/latest.htm
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#12. To: Rotara (#10)
who was the zio looter in the pentagon ?
#13. To: noone222 (#12)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#14. To: noone222 (#12)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#15. To: Rotara (#14)
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i wonder where the rabbi's hanging out these days.
#16. To: noone222 (#15)
#17. To: Lod (#16)
I thought that Dov had bailed to jizrael.
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