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Title: Ten points to consider before someone you know enlists
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Published: Apr 6, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-04-06 06:56:21 by Tatarewicz
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1. Do not make a quick decision by enlisting the first time you see a recruiter or when you are upset. A recruiter is a salesperson who will give only a positive, one-sided picture of life in the military. Don’t make this important decision when you are depressed, hard up for work, confused or unsure about your future, or pressured by your family. This decision affects many years of your life; don’t make it lightly.

2. Take a witness with you when you speak with a recruiter. There is a lot of information to take in. A friend can take notes and help you ask questions.

3. Talk to veterans. Veterans can give you their view of military life, good and bad.

4. Consider your moral feelings about going to war. The mission of the military is to prepare for and wage war. If you cannot in good conscience engage in war or in killing, you should not consider enlisting. If you become opposed to war after you join, you have the right to seek a discharge, but it is a long, difficult and uncertain process.

5. Get a copy of the enlistment agreement. Read the fine print carefully, especially the part about what the military can order you to do. You do have a right to take this home, look it over and ask others about it.

6. There is no “period of adjustment” during which you may request and receive an immediate honorable discharge. Once you have left for basic training, you must fulfill the full number of years (usually eight, with some of these in the Reserves) on your enlistment contract. You cannot leave of your own free will. The military, however, may decide you are “unsuitable” and discharge you without your consent.

7. Get all your recruiter’s promises in writing but also remember that the military can change the terms (such as pay, job or benefits) of your work. Though there are no guarantees, a written statement may offer you (as a service member) some protection if promises are not met. However, the contract is more binding on you than on the military. You are ultimately responsible for information on the form, so don’t tell lies, even if pressured.

8. There are no job guarantees in the military. The military is not required to keep you in the job you trained for on a full-time or permanent basis. In fact, most recruiters were involuntarily reassigned to their jobs. Placements are mostly dependent on what the military perceives it needs. Most military jobs are in areas that account for only a small percentage of civilian jobs.

9. Military personnel cannot exercise all of the civil liberties enjoyed by civilians. You do not have the same constitutional rights. Your rights to free speech, assembly, petition and exercise of individual expression (such as clothing or hairstyle) are restricted. You must follow all orders given to you, whether or not you agree with them and consider them right or fair.

10. Many opportunities exist for you to serve your community and enhance your skills. Before you decide to enlist, check out other options that would help you “be all you can be.” Travel, education, money for school, job training and adventure can all be found in other ways. Your local community may even have opportunities that you hadn’t considered. Check out our “Alternatives to the Military” section for starters. The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC) is a faith-based organization working internationally for peace, justice and reconciliation. To learn more, visit http://www.afsc.org or call (415) 565-0201 or (510) 238-8080.

Questions to Ask Military Recruiters and the Answers Military Recruiters Should Give You .by Alternatives to the Military - Lincoln on Monday, September 13, 2010

Q. How long is my enlistment commitment actually for?

A. Your enlistment period will last eightyears. Some portion will be active duty and some portion will be on reserve duty. Reserve duty can be made active.

Q. Can the armed forces make me stay longer than what I have contracted for?

A. Yes, the military has the right to change your contract and extend your service longer than you agreed to.

Q. Do I get paid more money for staying longer than my contract stipulates?

A. No, unless you receive a promotion,your pay scale stays the same, but if you are in a combat related job, you can receive "combat pay."

Q. Do I have any say in where I go, and how long I'm there for?

A. No, the military determines where you go and how long you are there. You do have the right to request transfers to different units, but there is never aguarantee that your request will be granted.

Q. How much does a newly enlisted service member get paid per week?

A. A new service member who is not an officer can be paid between $13,000 and$14,500 a year. An average is about$280.00 a week with an average workweek of 80 hours. ($3.39 an hour). (Note: These numbers are not updated to 2010.)

Q. Am I guaranteed the ability to go to college if I want to?

A. If you are on active duty, you are not guaranteed the ability to go to school when you want to. Your commanding officer must give their permission. You also might be deployed to a combat area for more than 15 months at a time, making courses, even online courses,tough to complete.

Q. Can I do a job I want to do in this branch, or am I assigned one?

A. Your job assignment is based on yourArmed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery score. If your ASVAB score is too low or you flunk out of your job training,you will not get that job and could be reassigned.

Q. If I change my mind about being in this branch, can I resign?

A. Only an officer can resign. Enlisted members must serve their time or face harsh penalties. Voluntary discharges can happen, but are rare.

Q. What will happen to me if I decide I don't want to be involved in the militaryafter I enlist?

A. You could put up with it, or risk being court-martialed, receiving a dishonorable discharge, spending time in a military jail,or getting a demotion and reduction inpay. You may also become ineligible for some civilian jobs if this happens.

Q. What are the most dangerous military jobs?

A. In a war zone, there is no job that is safe. Many service members, whose jobs were transportation related have been killed and injured in Iraq, but infantry related positions are among the most dangerous traditionally.

Q. Will the skills I learn in the military beuseful in civilian life?

A. It depends on what your job specialty is. Much of what you will learn to do inthe military will only relate to military jobs and not civilian jobs.

Q. What are the negative aspects of my training?

A. Studies have shown that those whoare trained to kill and deal with the stress of warfare have the tendency to develop emotional and psychological healthproblems.

Q. What do I do if an officer gives me a command that I believe is illegal?

A. Military training is designed to mold service members to respond to orders without thinking. Of course, if you believe an order is unlawful you have an obligation to refuse to act upon it. If the lines are blurred, most will just obey.Those who refuse, if the order is illegal,could still face penalties.

Q. What is post- traumatic stress disorder?

A. PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) is a severe mental health affliction thatdevelops when one experiences orwitnesses a traumatic event, such as combat or the effects of combat. Flashbacks, nightmares, depression, and inability to think straight are some of the symptoms of PTSD.

Q. Will I receive any compensation if I am permanently disabled in war?

A. Yes, you can receive compensation if you are disabled, but the payment will bebased on your actual disability. The military rating system for measuring disabilities and calculating disability payment has long been thought to be unfair. A person who is blinded may only get a 50% disability rating, for instance.

Q. Have you ever seen combat and doyou think exposure to it is healthy for me?

A. Any recruiter who tells you that experiencing combat is healthy must not be aware of the thousands of war veterans who are suffering PTSD, surviving without arms or legs, or whose quality of life will never be what it was before they witnessed combat.

Q. Will I be deployed to the Middle East?

A. Nearly every job is a "deployable" job. If you enlist in the Reserves or theNational Guard, there is a very good chance that you will be deployed to the Middle East rather than serving weekend duty stateside. Active duty enlistees should also be prepared to deploy. Forces are stretched thin and thereforenew recruits should always be prepared to go to war.

prepared by http://www.afsc.org

American Friends Service Committee, National Youth & Militarism Program, 1501 Cherry Street, Philadelphia, PA 19102; 214-241-7176; youthmil@afsc.org; http://www.youth4peace.org 0

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Pravda Forums Thread brought some interesting comments:

Coastal: I know I'm going to regret this... but... What the **** is the Netanyahu Network?? Comment by sb11:

Levin, Lieberman, Feinstein, chairs of the Armed Services, Homeland Security and Intelligence committees in the Senate, Rabbi Dov Zakheim who 'liberated' 3.4 trillion while financial controller of the Pentagon... perhaps to his own drone company... one of the largest heists in history... the 5 "prolife Catholic" serial killers on the Supreme Court.. Obama.. Rahm Emanuel, who spent $40 per vote in Chicago, Michael Bloomberg who spent $100,000,000 on the mayor's race... the Federal Reserve, Wall St. etc... ------------

Coastal, on 03 April 2011 - said: C'mon...

Like Switzerland wouldn't have become a Soviet state if not for the US military...

Zharkov:

Countries that live under the protection of another's military can afford to be altruistic.

Soviets kept the lands they had to invade to repel Hitler's army, but they didn't go after new territory.

The Soviet Union was only about 60 miles away from Alaska and could have taken it back if they were so aggressive. They were not that aggressive. They could have done a lot of things and gotten away with it after they acquired nuclear weapons, same as us. You could argue over Afghanistan, but annexing that country was never a goal for Gorbachev. The Red Army could have focused efforts with a major invasion and held it, but they tried the same failed strategy that we used in Vietnam - incrementalism seldom works in a war.

The Swiss never needed a nuclear umbrella, not even when Hitler was stalking the planet, and one might argue that the reason the Swiss economy has not collapsed is because they do not have the same aggressive government that we do. We are warring ourselves into poverty.

Nobody is reimbursing us for our protection of their little hellholes, if that is what we are doing, and I doubt it.

The Swiss should be a model for the world, not the US. The Swiss have everyone armed, everyone trained, but no standing army to suck their economy dry. A large standing army was not on our founding fathers' agenda either.

Here's another thought:

Our water is now radioactive - 181 times stronger than safe level according to tests done at a Berkley lab. Why? Because Japan's reactor used decommissioned nuclear warhead material for fuel, had an earthquake (as often happens), suffered a tsunami (obviously predictable) and blew up.

So California is now bathed in nuclear reactor fallout, at least 500 counts per minute at L.A. according to the EPA a week ago. Every home is contaminated with measurable radiation; our food is made with radioactive tap water; our kids are breathing and eating the stuff. People who worked outside during that period felt ill, tired, and nausiated, while our government repeatedly decreed "it was safe" and the radiation was "miniscule".

Swiss don't have nuclear reactors, nuclear weapons, or contaminated homes and businesses.

Swiss didn't sell Japan on the wonders of nuclear power. Swiss didn't shoot DU rounds all over the world in crappy wars that now contaminate the food chain with radiation. If our government was not so dominated by warmaking, the Pentagon and its contractors, none of that could have happened. We would have no nukes and it is very likely that our planet would be a nuke-free world. Einstein would have remained a k00k with a crazy idea about atoms.

Switzerland was around before we had a nuclear umbrella to offer. It looks like they will still be around when we are burying each other from cancer of the lungs, throat, and stomach, as a result of Cesium-137 ingestion. TOP SECRET-SENSITIVE//NOFORN//NOPOTUS Watch Your Government, Not Your Neighbors! www.bilderber...lder.htm#letter

Tatarewicz  posted on  2011-04-06   7:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#1)

Soviets kept the lands they had to invade to repel Hitler's army, but they didn't go after new territory.

False

Cynicom  posted on  2011-04-06   7:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tatarewicz (#1)

The Swiss should be a model for the world, not the US. The Swiss have everyone armed, everyone trained, but no standing army to suck their economy dry.

There's a place or two in "hillbilly land USA" like that (:
Well, minus "formal" training.

America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we've gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent.
Claire Wolfe

The true measure of success is not what you have, but what you can do without.
H. Jackson Brown

Hope is the emotion of last resort. When you hope for something it means you have no control over the outcome.

innieway  posted on  2011-04-06   7:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

Q. Will the skills I learn in the military beuseful in civilian life?

A. Why, yes they will be, Timmy. You will be able to get a job on any major police force in the country, if you have enough confirmed kills in the combat zone, and will be allowed to bring the war home to the streets of America, all on the taxpayer's dime.

For example: One of our brave graduates from Iraq joined the Fort Wayne Police Force, and on his first week of duty, shot an unarmed civillian over 50 times for supposedly running a red light. He was then fully exonerated and given a full-boat disability pension for all the pain and suffering the dirtbag "civvie" caused him.

So yes, Timmy, you'll be allowed to bring the "killing zone" with you anywhere you go in life, and profit handsomly from it too.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2011-04-06   8:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-04-06   8:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Esso, Tatarewicz (#4)

Q - Everyone in High School thinks I'm a little pimple-faced twerp, loser and homo. If I go to the ME and kill a bunch of Mooslims, will Heysus make people respect me?

A - Maybe. While Heysus hates Mooslims and wants YOU to kill as many as possible there's no guarantee people will respect you. However if you are gimped-out or get your balls blown off Heysus will make sure there are guys at traffic lights and at malls collecting spare change to buy you a nice, big print, Scofield Reference Bible.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-04-06   9:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-04-06   9:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Esso (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-04-06   9:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

I missed that news!

How sick is that!

The actual incident occured a couple of years ago. The victim's family recently received a multi-million dollar settlement from the taxpayers, and wisely fled the country. People who receive judgements from the police have a nasty habit of being killed in police drug raids around here.

The dash-cam video of the incident was so horrifying, the courts ordered it sealed, in perpetuity, never to be seen by the public, including the jury that decided the lawsuit.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2011-04-06   9:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

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Shoonra  posted on  2011-04-06   10:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

By all means, take home the enlistment agreement and study it in detail ... BEFORE signing anything. The recruiter will probably try to goad you into signing it in a rush -- but do not yield; if necessary, just cancel the whole discussion of enlisting (believe me, there are plenty of other recruiting officers for the same branch of service that you can deal with).

A VERY IMPORTANT provision in the enlistment contract says that ONLY the written terms of the enlistment contract (it's a standard form) count -- whatever the recruiter said (or even whatever he wrote down himself) is NOT binding -- it doesn't matter if he was filmed saying them. It also says that once you're in, the military can change the terms to suit itself -- and you must submit to these changes.

I've met plenty of veterans - from the Vietnam Era and Desert Storm and more recently - tell me how recruiters lied to them; promised jobs and training that never happened (a lot of these guys wanted high-tech experience, ended up aggitating the gravel and carrying a backpack), promised they'd stay out of combat zones, etc. Lies and more lies. (In the 1960s, recruiters would promise Southern white boys that they'd NEVER be under the command of a "colored man" -- what a joke on them! I'm sure they laughed all the way through Basic.)

Once you're in, keep a journal of your military experiences -- the names of the people around you, the dates and details of any sickness or injury and of any combat or calamity. It might help to mail these journal pages home for someone to keep for you. This information can be vital if you ever need to apply for VA benefits. If you're sick or injured, don't try to be the strong silent type; report to the medic so at least there's some evidence that you had a health problem that the military could have treated on such-and-such date.

Shoonra  posted on  2011-04-06   10:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Shoonra  posted on  2011-04-06   10:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Esso (#4)

One of our brave graduates from Iraq joined the Fort Wayne Police Force, and on his first week of duty, shot an unarmed civillian over 50 times for supposedly running a red light. He was then fully exonerated and given a full-boat disability pension for all the pain and suffering the dirtbag "civvie" caused him.

Yes somewhat harsh, but think of the danger this dirtbag is putting Izzy in. It's my experience this kind of lawlessness has to be nipped in the bud, bud.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-04-06   10:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Esso (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-04-06   11:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Questions to Ask Military Recruiters ?

Get off my property and leave my children alone before I start swing my Louisville Slugger.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2011-04-06   11:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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