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Title: News on The George Gordon School Of Law
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Published: Apr 14, 2011
Author: Innieway
Post Date: 2011-04-14 08:57:52 by innieway
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Comments: 35

Does anybody remember George Gordon? I found something very interesting which may be of interest to those who do...

George Gordon Lies

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#1. To: innieway (#0)

Does anybody remember George Gordon?

Yes, I do. What I remember most/best is his story about how he was held in contempt one time for refusing to take an oath in court. It was a pretty entertaining story.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-04-14   9:13:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

did you ever listen to eric whoru? that guy was hilarious.

Artisan  posted on  2011-04-14   9:35:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

One of the guys I enjoyed listening to was Howard Freeman. He was into the UCC thing and told people why they should write "without prejudice" above their signatures on traffic tickets and things like that. Very interesting, very informative speaker. One of the funniest stories he told was about some guy in California who called him. Man was out of work and had gotten a speeding ticket and, iirc, it was going to cost him something like 200 bucks. So Mr. Freeman was telling him about writing that above his signature and the man said thanks and was about to hang up. But Mr. Freeman started trying to explain to him WHY he should write that and the guy told him that he appreciated it but if that is what Mr. Freeman said he should do then he would do that but he couldn't afford to stay on the phone too long 'cause it was long distance and then hung up. So the day came the guy had to go to court and the judge looked at the ticket, looked at where he had signed "without prejudice" and asked the guy what it meant. Of course the judge most likely knew what it was supposed to mean but the guy said it meant that he wasn't prejudiced against anyone, that he "loved niggers, Jews and everyone." And the judge doubled his fine.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-04-14   9:53:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

haha! actually id like to see that doubled fine challenged on appeal, since its the guys right to think what he wants.

Artisan  posted on  2011-04-14   10:00:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

haha! actually id like to see that doubled fine challenged on appeal, since its the guys right to think what he wants.

Sure he has the right to think what he wants. I think the judge was fining him as much for his ignorance as his views. If he knew why he signed it the way he was told to sign it, it should have helped him some.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-04-14   10:40:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i dont know what "without prejudice' means. do you? i do have a problem with judge arbitrarily raising fines for alleged violation of vehicle code. If a defendant had a lick of sense, they would aggressively challenge such an act legally. i know i would.

Artisan  posted on  2011-04-14   10:48:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i do have a problem with judge arbitrarily raising fines for alleged violation of vehicle code. If a defendant had a lick of sense, they would aggressively challenge such an act legally. i know i would.

Good luck with that one.

You may elect to fight the ticket in court, and you MAY prevail. BUT, there is a maximum penalty for each "offense" of the transportation code of your state. A judge doesn't HAVE to exercise the maximum penalty. And quite often they don't. But if he does you will NOT win that challenge - in fact there is nothing TO challenge. A judge can certainly impose the maximum penalty if they so desire.

Showing your ass in court is generally a good way to make sure you get the max... I have a friend here that just found that out the hard way. He's young, and did a rather stupid thing for which he got arrested. But he thought that he had it figured out - he's well aware of the "strawman" arguments, how the "system" works... He's really pretty aware and smart for his age. So when his court date came up he fired the public defender he was assigned and announced he was going pro-se. Fine. They set up a new court date. Problem is he didn't have the legal knowledge to actually deal with it. He didn't know how to file a motion, courtroom procedure etc. His new court date was set, and he went to court about 2 weeks ago. I had repeatedly told him the jails were full of people that know all the "strawman" arguments etc, and that I thought he was making a mistake - they would NOT listen to that. I told him "if nothing else since the Patriot Act was put in place they could just claim him to be a terroristic threat and he's screwed. He could sit in there and rot for years without ever going to court." But he knew better. He told me "this is how it works."

The public defender he fired had worked a plea bargain deal in which he would serve 4 months followed by a 5 year probation... The max penalty for the felony he was facing is 8 years. Because he went into court and thought he could just refuse to give them jurisdiction and fight using common law - the judge hit him with the max.

I'm not saying you can't win in court, because you can. But if you do, you will only do it by playing within their framework. And all this crap you hear about "I'd do this, and I'd do that" is generally spouted by someone that hasn't got much if any courtroom experience. Fighting a courtroom battle is no bowl of cherries!

innieway  posted on  2011-04-15   0:49:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

to be specific, i wasnt referring to a judge imposing the maximum. I was replying to an example which a judge doubled the max fine because he didnt like the persons ideas. That would not work in CA, at least not with me. he's not some all powerful king.

Artisan  posted on  2011-04-15   4:04:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: Artisan (#26)

I was replying to an example which a judge doubled the max fine because he didnt like the persons ideas. That would not work in CA, at least not with me. he's not some all powerful king.

No he's not. And I agree, if he doubled the maximum fine you have something to go after him with.

innieway  posted on  2011-04-15 06:49:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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