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Title: WHY Oklahoma (world terrorist capital)?
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Mehitable
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Published: Oct 12, 2005
Author: Mehitable
Post Date: 2005-10-12 15:41:00 by mehitable
Keywords: terrorist, capital)?, Oklahoma
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Comments: 20
I actually asked on another thread but I wanted to get as wide a response as possible. Please excuse me if this has been discussed to death before (as I'm relatively new) or if the answers are well known to folks here. So we just had another OK bombing and the 9/11 terrorists apparently had some OK connections and of course, Tim McVeigh, etc, etc. What's the attraction with Oklahoma? Why not Harvard, or Michigan State or CalTech, etc etc?
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#1. To: mehitable, OKCSubmariner, all (#0)
I have no earthly idea - sorry. OKCSubmariner may be able to shed on light on this question.
I've asked this question many times. Here's one idea. Since we live in a world where there are plenty of wackos, and believers in the occult, and paranormal, most of whom are politicians, what do you want to bet there's some kind of occult nonsense such as lay lines, or a magical property about a certain area in Oklahoma that seems to attract the people who commit these ridiculous acts. Perhaps it's because Oklahoma's initials are OK. OR... Could it be the fact there's a military base there? It could be anything. Oklahoma has a lot of empty space, and a low population. You can do things there, that you can't do in more populated places.
#2. To: mehitable (#0)
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#3. To: mehitable, OKC Submariner (#0)
Ive wondered the same thing..
#4. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#2)
You might be on to something there. Frankly I never though of Oklahoma that much before except for the musical. But there's something funny going on in Oklahoma and I wonder when it started and who started it.....Oklahoma is not OK.
#5. To: mehitable (#0)
OK, here goes. The American Heartland has historically appealed to the Oil Sheikhs, many natural affinities, oil, a lack of EastCoastJews, a welcoming atmosphere by the locals. It's not JewYork, y'know. A media more unquestioning than in urban areas. Historical ties between private elites, intel agencies and paramilitary operations including the extremely close and important cooperation in the AntiSovietJihad of the 80's, of the US and Sunni GulfOil States, accompanied by private military training camps for the jihadis, much easier in the heartland than LongIsland. Successful pitching by radical islamis of their religion as close to Christianity, "Peoples of the book" and all that and acceptance of that line by Americans there being another element, leading to the nests of jihadis embedded in Muslim student expat military and industry communities. And lastly, a lot of money being spread around for politicians and administrators to look the other way. Arab banks and petrosheikhs have long favored the HoustonDallas environs and from there, OKC becomes a natural area for all kinds of activity.
"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai
#6. To: swarthyguy (#5)
I was wondering if it had to do with the oil and natural gas in the region. So this does appear to be an area where various groups intersect and can find common ground for their various terrorist ideas, and the US govt of course, would be aware of all this and would use it to its own advantage. I'd love to see if someone can come up with a flow chart documenting how various people in these terror episodes relate to other individuals or groups. Like the flow charts I've seen for the Bush Crime Family. Thanks, Swarthyguy!
#7. To: mehitable (#0)
After Gulf War I, the first Bush administration and the Clinton administration recklessly opened our borders to former Iraqi prisoners of war -- from conscripts to elite Republican Guardsmen. The resettlement program was launched in response to pressure from the United Nations, the Saudi government (which balked at taking in the captured soldiers), and our own feckless State Department (which has, and always will, act like a hostile foreign entity). As a result, an estimated 6,000 enemy Iraqi soldiers have resettled in the U.S. at public expense since 1993. [snip] Even more outrageous: the laxity of screening procedures for these enemy prisoners of war before they were allowed to settle across our home front, from Florida to Michigan, Illinois, Oklahoma, Texas and California. Source: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/michellemalkin/2003/04/03/169756. html A bunch of them moved into Oklahoma nearly 15 years ago after Desert Storm.
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#8. To: Fred Mertz (#7)
How bizarre and yet, how typical of us to totally lack common sense in allowing any and all people, including enemy combatants, into this country. Or so it seems....is our government really this stupid or is there an ulterior motive. I wonder who else Tim McVeigh knew from the Gulf War....
#9. To: mehitable (#0)
Also: Nick Berg/OU link
#10. To: valis (#9)
Nick Berg came to my mind, but I forgot the specifics. Thanks for filling them in. Nick Berg was definitely an asset. I have a theory that anyone beheaded on videotape is an asset and that is the way their Intel guys stick it to our Intel guys in a grand way.
#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
Assume that applies EuroAms only. A boatload of people have been beheaded/hacked in Iraq and videotaped, locals and other foreigners, Nepalis, etc. That does lend a more intriguing tinge to Danny Pearl's Karachi trip.
I have a theory that anyone beheaded on videotape is an asset
"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai
#12. To: swarthyguy (#11)
That does lend a more intriguing tinge to Danny Pearl's Karachi trip
#13. To: valis (#12)
Check out the archives of B Raman, IMO, one of the better jihad analysts. Hell, Omar Sheikh is sitting in "jail", courtesy of the US taxpayer.
"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai
#14. To: mehitable (#4)
Come on, no fair. Oklahoma is one the most patriotic, flag waving states in the nation. I do think the CIA recruits heavily at Oklahoma University though.
Oklahoma is not OK
#15. To: okisok (#14)
I'm just playing with the theme song from the musical. I know the Oklahomans are okay themselves, but something strange has been going on there for the past 10 years or more. I don't think Tim McVeigh and Nichols blew up that building - not by themselves at least, and I'm wondering about all these other terrorist links to the OK area and to OU in particular. There's an odor emanating from these investigations and it ain't microwave popcorn.
#16. To: mehitable (#15)
That's about the time I moved here. Oklahoma is OK in many regards, yet in others it is lacking. In '97 I was able to buy a decent home here, on a third acre, fenced, for under 30K. With some elbow grease, inflation and a little money spent at Lowes Home Supply, the crib comes in at around a net value of just under 6oK, not a bad lil investment. The folks here, at least on the surface seem friendly and folksy, but you will NEVER be a native of the community no matter how long you live here, if you were not born here. Therefore any input you may have in local politics is quickly discreditied. Make no mistake about it, this IS the bible belt. If you are agnostic, aethieistic, and just don't much give a crap about Jesus, keep it to yourself around here. The job market SUCKS. BIG time. If I were not on a fixed income, we'd starve. I've seen folks FIGHT over a minimum wage position. I worked in law enforcement here, and a freakin' janitor in sunny CA makes three times as much a year as a cop does here. If you are looking for work, you'd better be related to, a neighbor of, or ready to marry into the bosses family. Otherwise, you ain't gittin' hired. I've never gone to school here (except for a few vo-tech courses) but the educational system must suck pretty bad. Most folks you run into are really very simple.(Could be the circles I run in) I've met few folks that have the time or inclination for any deep discussions. This is REPUBLICAN terrirtory. The climate is great; a coupla snows each year and not much of that. Summer hot and humid. On the whole, I think Oklahoma is OK. Compared to California or Texas I like it a whole hell offa lot better. Now I've told you more about how I feel about OK than you really wanted to know, huh?
I know the Oklahomans are okay themselves, but something strange has been going on there for the past 10 years or more.
#17. To: Soda Pop (#16)
You forgot to mention the damned indian casinos that are sucking the state dry. Gambling addicts will beg, borrow or steal to get their fix. Pawn shops, pay day loan centers and check cashing outfits are now selling lotto tickets. Whoo Hoo!
Now I've told you more about how I feel about OK than you really wanted to know, huh?
#18. To: mehitable (#0)
Didn't the Governors' brother write a book years before predicting the OKC bombing?
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#19. To: okisok (#17)
My wife works for the tribal store and the casino is next door. That parking lot is FULL 24/7. Many of her co-workers go straight to the casino on payday and blow the whole check. Short tills at the store are common close to payday. The tribe started having boxing events. They set up their own commission and allowed some fighters that should NEVER be allowed to cross the ropes to fight. Riddick Bowe for one. The tribes could do a lot of good with the money they pull in...could set up a lot of youth programs and even a college. But they don't. I'm amazed at the lack of tribal knowledge most members exhibit. My family was raised far from here, yet I'm more aware of our tribal history than those raised on the rez. In the short run, it's all about money.
You forgot to mention the damned indian casinos that are sucking the state dry. Gambling addicts will beg, borrow or steal to get their fix. Pawn shops, pay day loan centers and check cashing outfits are now selling lotto tickets. Whoo Hoo!
#20. To: Soda Pop (#16)
I agree. But... driving through Broken Bow on a rainy day in December is just depressing.
On the whole, I think Oklahoma is OK.
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