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Title: Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
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URL Source: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp
Published: Apr 20, 2011
Author: the Newspaper.com
Post Date: 2011-04-20 10:42:42 by Jethro Tull
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4/19/2011
Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
ACLU seeks information on Michigan program that allows cops to download information from smart phones belonging to stopped motorists.

CelleBriteThe Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program.

ACLU learned that the police had acquired the cell phone scanning devices and in August 2008 filed an official request for records on the program, including logs of how the devices were used. The state police responded by saying they would provide the information only in return for a payment of $544,680. The ACLU found the charge outrageous.

"Law enforcement officers are known, on occasion, to encourage citizens to cooperate if they have nothing to hide," ACLU staff attorney Mark P. Fancher wrote. "No less should be expected of law enforcement, and the Michigan State Police should be willing to assuage concerns that these powerful extraction devices are being used illegally by honoring our requests for cooperation and disclosure."

A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.

"Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags," a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities. "The Physical Analyzer allows visualization of both existing and deleted locations on Google Earth. In addition, location information from GPS devices and image geotags can be mapped on Google Maps."

The ACLU is concerned that these powerful capabilities are being quietly used to bypass Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches.

"With certain exceptions that do not apply here, a search cannot occur without a warrant in which a judicial officer determines that there is probable cause to believe that the search will yield evidence of criminal activity," Fancher wrote. "A device that allows immediate, surreptitious intrusion into private data creates enormous risks that troopers will ignore these requirements to the detriment of the constitutional rights of persons whose cell phones are searched."

The national ACLU is currently suing the Department of Homeland Security for its policy of warrantless electronic searches of laptops and cell phones belonging to people entering the country who are not suspected of committing any crime.

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#6. To: Jethro Tull, All (#0)

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randge  posted on  2011-04-20   11:16:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge, 4 (#6)

Good idea, but regarding the article, I do hope everyone realizes the mofo's need a search warrant to do your phone. We all knew the time would come to insist that the oinkers get one BEFORE a search, and that time has come. When traveling, bring a radio, a few soda's and some snacks. You'll need them as the pigs take their time TRYING to get a warrant.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-04-20   11:32:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull, All (#7)

This is an oldie but goodie.

I'd be interested in your take on this, JT, as a pro.

randge  posted on  2011-04-20   11:54:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge, 4 (#8)

It's an excellent tube. I added a few points at the bottom that might be helpful.

1) Have your paperwork handy

2) Specifically what is it you think is in the car, and where exactly is it?

3) Please call your supervisor. Your tone is becoming hostile for no apparent reason.

4) I have one of these on my key chain . You can't beat it for $50 bucks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-04-20   13:18:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-04-20   13:41:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#25)

Re: #2, obviously he'll say that he's looking for anything illegal or give you some other general answer designed to deceive, like the typical "we've had drug runners/a rash of burglaries/fill-in-the-blank" nonsense. What then?

Re: #3, They're obviously not going to call their supervisor, so what should be the expectation there?

1) He has to be specific as to what it is he suspects is illegal and to where he suspects it to be. Is it a gun? Drugs? A body in the trunk? I doubt this requirement has changed since my day.

2) I'd bet they do call if you insist, and if they refuse, ask why not? Ask for his supervisor's name and the reason they can't come. Ask if they have come upon request in the past, and if so, why is this different?

What this kid did real well was stay calm and in control. He alone spoke, and was brief and specific. He showed respect while the cop became so frustrated, he finally made the decision to go find a softer target.

Had the cop asked for the kid's car keys, the reply there would be why? If the cop said I'm going to search your car, tell him no, and refer him back to the need for a warrant.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-04-20   15:39:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-04-20   15:47:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Eric Stratton (#43)

Let me ask though, what if he had started asking questions directly of the other two?

I understand, thanks to a recent SC decision, people have to ID themselves when asked. So, I'd suggest they identify themselves (no need to show ID unless pressured) and not a single word more.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-04-20   15:55:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

I understand, thanks to a recent SC decision, people have to ID themselves when asked. So, I'd suggest they identify themselves (no need to show ID unless pressured) and not a single word more.

How would you have reacted to this Jethro. And how do you think officers today would react.

You get pulled over. The first word out of your mouth would be. Officer am I under arrest. The officer says no. You drive away.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-21   7:43:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone, Artisan, 4 (#54)

You have to give your name if a passenger. There is no mention of producing ID of any kind. The driver is required to show a DL, registration & insurance card. It's a good practice to have these things handy, and give them up without searching around. The idea being to try and limit the contact time with said swine.

Police can require names, Supreme Court rules.(Knight Ridder Newspapers)

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WASHINGTON _ Siding with authorities in an important test of their power, a divided Supreme Court said Monday that citizens can be arrested for refusing to give their names to police.

A name may be unique, but it's also a universal characteristic, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the 5-4 decision. So while the well-known right to remain silent is important with regard to information that could be incriminating, Kennedy said, "answering a request to disclose a name is likely to be so insignificant in the scheme of things as to be incriminating only in unusual circumstances."

The decision drew sharp criticism from privacy and civil liberties groups that had rallied to support Larry Hiibel, the Nevada rancher whose challenge to police authority inspired the high court battle. But it drew praise from police advocates, who said the ability to ask routine questions is at the heart of investigative work.

"This was not an unjustified demand of `your papers, please' by an officer of a totalitarian regime," said Charles Hobson, an attorney for the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation who offered a brief supporting police in the case. "It was a reasonable request by a sheriff's deputy who had been called to the scene of a suspected crime." The court would have "tied the hands of police" by siding with Hiibel, Hobson said.

Hobson said it's important to note that the court isn't giving police a right to randomly stop people and ask them questions, only the right to ask important questions during a legal stop that results from reasonable suspicions.

"If it's not a reasonable stop, you still don't have to answer," he said.

Tim Lynch, who directs the libertarian Cato Institute's project on criminal justice, said the ruling muddles an issue that was already clear to most Americans.

"With this ruling on the books, ordinary Americans will be hopelessly confused about when they can assert their right to `remain silent' without being jailed like Mr. Hiibel," Lynch said. "Today, the Supreme Court ruled that the government can turn a person's silence into a criminal offense."

The case is a follow-up to a 1968 ruling that permitted police to stop people, on reasonable suspicion, and ask them questions. That ruling brought into question whether laws enabling officers to force citizens to "stop and identify" themselves were constitutional.

Twice before, the court struck down such laws on technical grounds, but it left open the question of whether citizens must give their identities to police when asked during routine stops.

In 2000, sheriff's deputies confronted Hiibel along a rural Nevada road after receiving report of an assault involving a man and a woman in a truck. Hiibel was standing outside a truck matching the description when officers arrived. His adult daughter was inside the truck.

When the officers asked Hiibel who he was, he refused to give his name. After 11 attempts to make him identify himself, he was arrested under a state law that requires citizens to identify themselves to police during investigations.

Hiibel was convicted and fined, but he challenged the result, saying police violated his constitutional rights against unreasonable searches and self-incrimination.

A state appeals court denied his claims, and the Supreme Court agreed Monday.

"Asking questions is an essential part of police investigations," Kennedy wrote. "In the ordinary course, a police officer is free to ask a person for identification without implicating" rights against unreasonable searches.

Hiibel's disclosure of his name "presented no reasonable danger of incrimination," Kennedy wrote. While Hiibel may believe that he doesn't have to disclose his name, Kennedy said, the Constitution's protection against self-incrimination doesn't permit him to refuse it. He noted that Nevada doesn't require citizens to produce identification, such as a driver's license. It just compels them to give their names.

Kennedy was joined by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia.

Justices John Paul Stevens, Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented.

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Stevens wrote that a person's name can "provide the key to a broad array of information about the person, particularly in the hands of a police officer with access to a range of law enforcement databases." That information could be "tremendously useful" in a criminal prosecution, he said.

Lynch, of the Cato Institute, said the court's ruling could provide an opportunity to further attack people's rights against self-incrimination.

"Right now, people aren't required to take the witness stand during a trial, but I could see a prosecutor challenging that and using this opinion to say `I only want to ask question that aren't incriminating,' " Lynch said. "The court is opening a door on these issues that invites further litigation."

He said the ruling could have the worst impact on people who "stand up for their rights."

"Some people let the police walk all over them," Lynch said. "But some people want to stand up for themselves and assert themselves when they think police are out of line. It's a blow for people who think that way, because now you can get in trouble for it."

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