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Title: Higgs boson (God particle) found?
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience ... VudGlzdHNhYnV6em92ZXJjb250cm92
Published: Apr 25, 2011
Author: Mike Wall
Post Date: 2011-04-25 01:20:27 by Tatarewicz
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Scientists Abuzz Over Controversial Rumor that God Particle Has Been Detected http://LiveScience.com

A rumor is floating around the physics community that the world's largest atom smasher may have detected a long-sought subatomic particle called the Higgs boson, also known as the "God particle."

The controversial rumor is based on what appears to be a leaked internal note from physicists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a 17-mile-long particle accelerator near Geneva, Switzerland. It's not entirely clear at this point if the memo is authentic, or what the data it refers to might mean — but the note already has researchers talking.

The buzz started when an anonymous commenter recently posted an abstract of the note on Columbia University mathematician Peter Woit's blog, Not Even Wrong.

Some physicists say the note may be a hoax, while others believe the "detection" is likely a statistical anomaly that will disappear upon further study. But the find would be a huge particle-physics breakthrough, if it holds up.

"If it were to be real, it would be really exciting," said physicist Sheldon Stone of Syracuse University.

Hunting for the Higgs

The Higgs boson is predicted to exist by prevailing particle-physics theory, which is known as the Standard Model. Physicists think the Higgs bestows mass on all the other particles — but they have yet to confirm its existence.

Huge atom smashers — like the LHC and the Tevatron, at Fermilab in Illinois — are searching for the Higgs and other subatomic bits of matter. These accelerators slam particles together at enormous speeds, generating a shower of other particles that could include the Higgs or other elemental pieces predicted by theory but yet to be detected. [Wacky Physics: The Coolest Little Particles in Nature]

The leaked note suggests that the LHC's ATLAS particle-detection experiment may have picked up a signature of the elusive Higgs. The signal is consistent, in mass and other characteristics, with what the Higgs is expected to produce, according to the note.

However, some other aspects of the signal don't match predictions.

"Its production rate is much higher than that expected for the Higgs boson in the Standard Model," Stone told http://SPACE.com in an email interview. So the signal may be evidence of some other particle, Stone added, "which in some sense would be even more interesting, or it could be the result of new physics beyond the Standard Model."

Too soon to tell

Stone was quick to point out that the note is not an official result of the ATLAS research team. Therefore, speculating about its validity or implications is decidedly preliminary.

"It is actually quite illegitimate and unscientific to talk publicly about internal collaboration material before it is approved," Stone said. "So this 'result' is not a result until the collaboration officially releases it."

Other researchers joined Stone in urging patience and caution before getting too excited about the possible discovery.

"Don't worry, Higgs boson! I would never spread scurrilous rumors about you. Unlike some people," Caltech physicist Sean Carroll tweeted today (April 22).

While it's still early, some researchers have already begun to cast doubt on the possible detection. For example, Tommaso Dorigo — a particle physicist at Fermilab and CERN, which operates the LHC — thinks the signal is false and will fade upon closer inspection.

Dorigo — who said he doesn't have access to the full ATLAS memo — gives several reasons for this viewpoint. He points out, for example, that scientists at Fermilab didn't see the putative Higgs signal in their Tevatron data, which covered similar ground as the ATLAS experiment.

Dorigo feels strongly enough, in fact, to put his money where his mouth is.

"I bet $1,000 with whomever has a name and a reputation in particle physics (this is a necessary specification, because I need to be sure that the person taking the bet will honor it) that the signal is not due to Higgs boson decays," he wrote on his blog today. "I am willing to bet that this is NO NEW PARTICLE. Clear enough?"

You can follow http://SPACE.com senior writer Mike Wall on Twitter: @michaeldwall. Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

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From among the comments, "Howdy" says:

I have read the note that this article refers to. It's an abstract of an ATLAS collaboration internal note at the LHC. The lead author is Sau Lan Wu (Univ. of Wisconsin), who is a first-rate high-energy physicist and whom I know quite well (one of my former students went to work for her). The abstract reads like it was written by her, partly because it refers to some earlier work that I know she was involved in.

The signal they claim is a 4 standard deviation bump in the gamma-gamma effective mass distribution at 115 GeV. If it's not a rare statistical fluctuation, it would signify the existence of a new particle (short-lived resonance) of mass 115 GeV, decaying into two photons at least part of the time. It can NOT be just the "regular" standard model Higgs; the event rate is too large by a factor of about 30. If the signal is for real, it certainly implies some kind of "new physics" beyond the standard model. And that would be a lot more interesting than just finding the standard model Higgs!

Gilgamesh asks:

The higgs-boson particle confuses me. Since mass and energy are interchangable in Einstein's theories, is this particle then the key to all mass and energy? If a particle has zero mass, does it then have zero energy? What is the relation of the Higgs-Boson particle to space-time and gravity? Can a particle actually have zero mass? If an object pproaching the speed of light becomes increasingly massive, and at the speed of light aquires infinte mass and therefore requires infinite energy, why are photons not infinitiely massive? How is it that light can slow down passing through a medium like glass then regain it's velocity when leaving it? Do photons have mass? How does the Higgs-Boson particle figure into the photon's movement at the speed of light? How does the Higgs-boson particle work in relativity? If it bestows mass, does it then have mass? If mass can be converted completely into energy, what happens to the Higgs-Boson particle?

Roto replies:

Higgs probably conveys inertia only, if it exists. I personally do not believe it exists. As far as speed of light particles like the photon, yes, I think you can look at this as a limit case wherein a particle that perhaps at one time had mass reached the speed of light and in order to do so had to loose that mass to a intrinsic momemtum value. It certainly has momentum, but no mass. Intrinsic properties are common to Quantum Mechanics, like the spin of an electron. It doesn't actually spin, it just has the data property of spin, i.e. now intrinsic. As a physicist, the easiest way for me to think of this is a limit situation wherein the mass cancels out into a momentum value that becomes intrinsically exhibited by the speed of light particle. No one really knows of course, but this makes some intuitive sense for me (as much a Quantum Mechanics can:). Hope this helps

Blue Fox adds:

I believe that virtually all particle physicists will say that as far as they have been able to determine, the photon does indeed have zero mass. Your statement that objects become increasingly massive as their velocity ( V) increases is, I believe, based on the equation, m (mass at rest) divided by the square root of the quantity F=(1-(V/C)^2). So as V approaches the speed of light, C, the quantity, F, approaches zero and m divided by zero approaches infinity. This equation is applicable for particles that have mass greater than zero but is useless when the mass is zero (as is the case of the photon) because you end up with a relationship of infinity multiplied by zero, which is undefined. The energy is therefore also undefined when this formula is used since energy is “just” this undefined value multiplied by c^2, a constant. When something is undefined, we are not entitled to conclude that the energy is zero, however. So the energy can be (and is) nonzero for the special case of particles with zero mass but ONLY if that particle travels at the speed of light. Energy of the photon can be calculated by other methods such as the photoelectric effect.

Paul enquires:

I would be happy if someone could explain what "time" is? We say a second is so many vibrations of an atom, 60 seconds to a minet, 60 minets to an hour and so forth but what is time. It can't be stopped (forget the speed of light or black holes theories....we haven't traveled that fast or to a black hole yet... congress excluded) then started. It has no mass. It can't be seen with any kind of detector (clocks only make the passage of time). So... What is time? It effects everything. Could time be (dare is say)...God?

Blue Fox replies: Albert Einstein said time is what a clock measures. It works for me until I ask at a deep level----what is a clock?

Tatarewicz: Time is a measure of change (of things in motion).

Tatarewicz  posted on  2011-04-25   1:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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