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Title: Heaven is a 'fairy story' says Stephen Hawking
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International Business Times
URL Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/146 ... story-says-stephen-hawking.htm
Published: May 16, 2011
Author: IBT
Post Date: 2011-05-16 22:19:39 by Flintlock
Keywords: Heysus, Fraud, Terrible, Lie
Views: 3158
Comments: 170
Heaven is a 'fairy story' says Stephen Hawking Physicist Stephen Hawking has dismissed religion once again as he deemed heaven a "fairy story" aimed at appeasing those afraid of death. The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neuron disease. "I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper in an interview published on Monday. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark." Hawking's stance on religion has hardened since the publishing of his seminal work. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang. He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God." In his 2010 book, "The Grand Design" he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes. Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles. Read more: www.ibtimes.com/articles/...hawking.htm#ixzz1MZTleQ88 Poster Comment: IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation......Stephen Hawking agrees. Not bad company to have on an idea.
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#130. To: FormerLurker (#126)
Honestly, I don't know a thing. But I have a few beliefs... 1. This is all an illusion. 2. What we as humans perceive to be God and the Devil are of the same thing. 3. Our Creator, our Father has more intelligence and love for us than we can begin to imagine... That's enough for now
2. What we as humans perceive to be God and the Devil are of the same thing. 3. Our Creator, our Father has more intelligence and love for us than we can begin to imagine... I believe God is closer than that. WE are ALL part of God, and that is why it is such an evil thing to corrupt or hurt another being, and NOT just humans, as ALL living beings are ALSO part of God. God is not evil by nature, so God is not the Devil. There IS no devil, but there IS evil. And that is the flip side of everything, there is a positive and a negative. God represents a positive constructive force, whereas evil represents a negative destructive force. Yet, without both, there could not be life, since destruction clears the way for construction many times each second in the form of cell life and death for instance. So evil is not the destructive force of God, evil is just a human trait which creates harmful energy which feeds on itself to grow stronger. It's much easier to think that is true, rather than to view the universe as a balancing act between a Good God and a Bad Devil, where for everything to work out, it has to be that way.
"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas..." "I regard myself as one of the most dangerous enemies of religion." "In short, the nature of the hallucinations of Jesus, as they are described in the orthodox Gospels, permits us to conclude that the founder of the Christian religion was afflicted with religious paranoia." "We can therefore justifiably stress our particular point of view with regard to the proper development of the human psyche, even though our knowledge be incomplete. We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life…. We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the Church: the two most difficult are law and medicine." "It was only through the political work of Hitler that the meaning of racial hygiene has become publicly manifest in Germany, and it is only due to him that our thirty-year-old dream to put racial hygiene into practice has become a reality." Do you think the Iraq and Afghan wars would have been possible without religion involved? If the "terrorists" had been Christians from Spain, would we have declared war on Spain? That and France just for good measure? How many Buddhists supported either war? Or, on the other hand, who DID support it, cheer it on, and want MORE MORE MORE????
OI, did you dig deep for those quotes? I thought you were a Scientologist? Don't you view volcanoes as the source of all life?
They ARE the founders and initiates of "law" and "medicine", who are you kidding?
And how is one being Spiritual and Free, akin to being hostile to family traditions, individualisism, and patriotism?
These religious discussions/arguments never go anywhere.
Channel Hitler into the discussion. Yes, we must all feel remorse and sorrow for what that crazy bastard did, with the support of those who ENCOURAGED him to do so, and FINANCED him accordingly. Now shucks, who the hell would THAT be I wonder...
What it comes down to OI is that I ask you, please do not throw bullshit quotes my way. If you wish to discuss, discuss, but man, I can throw quotes back too...
What I said is true. That you don't like it, doesn't change a thing. Or, try and prove me wrong. .
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#131. To: wudidiz (#130)
(Edited)
1. This is all an illusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#132. To: FormerLurker (#129)
G. Brock Chisholm, psychiatrist and co-founder of the World Federation of Mental Health
Sigmund Freud
Psychiatrist Dr. Charles Binet-Sangle: La Folie de Jesus (The Madness of Jesus), 1910
Dr. John Rawlings Rees, "Strategic Planning for Mental Health", June 18, 1940
Dr. Ernst Rudin, Nazi psychiatrist, explaining how psychiatrists in Germany originated the ideas of genocide which Hitler later executed. Note: Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger published Rudin's article in the U.S.: "Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need"
#133. To: Original_Intent (#132)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: Original_Intent (#132)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: Original_Intent (#132)
the two most difficult are law and medicine
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#136. To: Original_Intent (#132)
(Edited)
"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas..."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#137. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#136)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#138. To: Original_Intent (#132)
"It was only through the political work of Hitler that the meaning of racial hygiene has become publicly manifest in Germany, and it is only due to him that our thirty-year-old dream to put racial hygiene into practice has become a reality."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: Original_Intent (#132)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#140. To: farmfriend (#118)
You are disgusting.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#141. To: Artisan (#122)
Then why did the 'church' "murder, rape, steal, lie, etc"? It was the elites best, most useful tool to control the masses. It's still dangerous, but it's losing its effectiveness. .
Encouraging people to love one another & not murder, rape, steal, lie, etc serves no 'controlling' purpose, but rather benefits all the world.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#142. To: wudidiz (#137)
Only if one is looking for converts/followers. If that is the goal, forget about it. .
These religious discussions/arguments never go anywhere.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#143. To: Flintlock (#0)
I submit that there is, in fact, a God. Shit like this does not happen by chance: There was a serious artist at work on this creation.
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#144. To: Critter (#143)
You got that right. That sofa didn't just build itself.
There was a serious artist at work on this creation.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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#145. To: Critter (#143)
No, it happens with plastic surgery. She's had a boob job.......next!
Shit like this does not happen by chance:
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#146. To: Esso (#144)
Did you notice the perfect combination of cushion and fabric? How it firmly supports without sagging or wrinkling?
You got that right. That sofa didn't just build itself.
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#147. To: Critter (#146)
Of course, who wouldn't? Playboy magazine is really bad for having chickie-poos blocking the pictures of the fine furniture too. I've written and complained now for thirty years, but it's not getting any better. Maybe the next issue...
Did you notice the perfect combination of cushion and fabric? How it firmly supports without sagging or wrinkling?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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#148. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#127)
even today there is religious persecutions by despot govts worldwide, china being a well known one.On his deathbed, Thomas Jefferson wrote to a friend decrying "monkish superstition".The freemasonic screed, our co-posters here have unwittingly adopted....
I will expand on the below at a later time when i am not on a mobile device.Suffice to say that the origins of these ideas espoused in this thread by the anti-religionists were cleverly & purposely planted into society.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#149. To: FormerLurker (#128)
The Bush family & cheney are high-level freemasonic illuminate satanists who worship & practice evil & human sacrifice.The deceived followers are mostly socalled 'conservative Christians'.This isnt an indictment of Christianity, but proof of the spiritual
(continued from the box below) proof of the spiritual warfare & societal propaganda mind control largely used successfully by the NWO loonies.If one really follows & discerns the teachings of Jesus theyd never agree with the bush doctrine.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#150. To: Artisan (#122)
The physicist who is in a wheel chair and speaks with an electronic voice.
Actually I don't even know who Hawking is.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#151. To: PSUSA (#141)
The church is comprised of fallible humans, sinners who often do the wrong things.That people are sinners doesnt negate the need for moral law, it only proves it!Also, there is a conspiracy to destroy & discredit the church from within.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#152. To: farmfriend (#150)
thanks. he can be the smartest 'scholastic' genius touted by the establishment press, but anyone who doesn't even believe in a Sovereign God is completely lost, & not that bright.Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#153. To: Artisan (#152)
Agreed.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#154. To: farmfriend (#153)
the issue for many intellectuals & geniuses is pride.God has blessed & bestowed mankind with an amazing intellect & endless potential.They, like fallen angels, reject God & want to be God themselves.Pride is their downfall.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#155. To: Artisan (#151) (Edited)
Being a fallible human is not a 'sin'. It's being a human. That people are sinners doesnt negate the need for moral law, it only proves it! You don't need the jews to tell you what's moral, then or now. Morality is not based on the jew 'god', who is one of the most immoral constructs of all time. If you don't believe me, just read the bible. Try living by the bible and see how long you live in freedom. You can't do it. You'll either end up in prison or dead yourself. Remember, it's all or nothing, right? Either it's 'gods' infallible word or it isn't. Either you live it or you don't. Are you a heretic? Do you choose what to do and believe? You know that heretic means to choose, to make a choice. Your own church does its best to forbid you the ability to make a choice. Also, there is a conspiracy to destroy & discredit the church from within. Satanic infiltrators? lol. They aren't needed. Really, we Satanists are not as powerful as some make us out to be. We are a tiny minority, fractured into many splinter groups, many "high priest(ess)" ankle-biting punk kids nipping at each others heels, with lots of ego to go around. The church is destroying itself from within, by christians, through their own actions. And it's about time.
The church is comprised of fallible humans, sinners who often do the wrong things.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#156. To: PSUSA (#155)
I didn't say that being endowed with fallible human nature is itself a sin.I said that sin is not an indictment of Christianity.As far as the admitted "satanist"/freemasonic conspiracy against their enemy, the Catholic church, that is old news.Their own w
(contd) writings acknowledge their plan of infiltration from within.Not of Luther's protestant church.The real church.Read ALTA VENDITA.What do you think all these perv fag priests came from? satanists.The prince of darkness & father of lies.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#157. To: Artisan (#156)
Silly me. I thought they came from sexual repression of the priests and nuns instigated by the church. Only the heretics can get married. Of course the church then uses fear of excommunication of the heretic (and the resultant eternal hell, torture etc) to get them back in line. It's funny to me how "the devil made me do it" argument is used by the church to cover for their own actions. And to COVER UP their own actions. Just blame Satan and His Infernal Majesties "evil" minions, and carry on with business as usual... Is the catholic church the Church of Satan? Are they all "in on it"? Is that the organization that you belong to? If it was a Satanic church, there'd be no kiddie diddling in it. That's for sure. We're more moral than the xtian church. .
What do you think all these perv fag priests came from? satanists.The prince of darkness & father of lies.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#158. To: Artisan (#149)
That has been suggested more than once, and I am not arguing whether it's true or not. What I AM saying though is that neither of them would have had a chance in hell of getting away with what they did if "Christians" were TRULY peace loving folks, spiritualy pure, and filled with the "Holy Spirit". Even the "God" of the Bible is a vindictive, selfish, and callous god, one who insists on animal sacrifice, and who orders the slaughter of untold numbers of men, women, and children, including babies. That is not a "good" or "loving" God, especially being the fact he favors the very people who wrote the "book", where of course they would write that about themselves.
The Bush family & cheney are high-level freemasonic illuminate satanists who worship & practice evil & human sacrifice.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#159. To: FormerLurker (#139)
The use of the quotes were not meant to be insulting. I like and respect you too much for that. I just have found that it is much easier to make my point on the pernicious influence of organized psychiatry by quoting them (in answer to your other question I keep a file of them for reference - that I've collected from a variety of websites). I can call them names and insult them till I'm blue in the face but nothing makes the point faster and more effectively than simply repeating what they have said and written themselves. That and I was dead tired and just did not have enough oomph left to do a longer post. My point really, and you can trace it back through their writings, is that organized psychiatry from Freud on, is very hostile towards religion. You can even find some of the hostility codified in the DSM IV where devout religious beliefs are characterized as mental disease. The reality is, as I am sure you are aware, that we, the caring people, are facing off against a very evil combine of Banksters and Psychs. Both have their individual aims of subjugation but they are not our friends. You can dig back through their writings and utterances all the way back into the twenties and thirties and this hostility against religion, particularly Christianity, pops up time and time again. I suspect that one of the reasons that Christianity has been targeted is because of its moral codes and precepts. Under a Christian regime such things as treating individuals and things and using them for whatever foulness moves or titillates these monsters are strictly proscribed. You can find the hostility against conventional and historical morality tied into and bound up in their rants against it. Mostly you can find it in the older writings from the 30's through the 50's. I suspect that they have become a little more covert but you can follow their actions and see it is still there. Just to emphasize my point, and not to rouse your hackles, here is a quote from G. Brock Chisholm one of the founders of the World Federation of "Mental Health". What it comes down to OI is that I ask you, please do not throw bullshit quotes my way. If you wish to discuss, discuss, but man, I can throw quotes back too...
"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality--the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy."
~ Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder World Federation of Mental Health
#160. To: Artisan (#154)
Then there are those who DO believe in God, just not the way they are TOLD to believe in God. They in fact strive for a better understanding of God, and do not rely on the words of men with an agenda to explain what God is. At one time not that long ago, a person would be brutally and sadistically tortured if he or she didn't "believe" the right way. That is not good, that is evil. That is the past "work" of church leaders and government, which were one and same for all practical purposes. In fact, the church could be seen as the seat of a true one world government. A true path to God does not involve inserting hot pokers into people's orifices, tearing apart their bodies, and causing them unimaginable suffering. However, that is what they did. Seems to me, their "religion" didn't fill their souls with love and kindness, making them "holy", it made them sadistic and evil. To this day, the vast majority of those who approve and condone our foreign adventures in the Middle East are those who are of that same religion, or an offshoot thereof. As I brought up, I doubt you'd find very many Buddhists who are cheering for the wars we are currently waging against people who have done us no wrong.
They, like fallen angels, reject God & want to be God themselves.Pride is their downfall.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#161. To: PSUSA (#157)
That is untrue. In fact, those who worship an evil entity do pretty much everything they can get away with in terms of emulating their master's lust of excess, perversions, and take pleasure in causing other people's misfortune. They feel they are gods unto themselves, and have the right to do WHATEVER they feel, including causing harm to others. And as far as satanic child abuse, that is a documented fact, not a fairy tale.
If it was a Satanic church, there'd be no kiddie diddling in it. That's for sure. We're more moral than the xtian church.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#162. To: Original_Intent (#159)
~ Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder World Federation of Mental Health I have no doubt that those who founded the field of psychiatry have ulterior motives, and are very foul people with demented minds. Just look up Donald Ewen Cameron as an example. However, I don't recall bringing the subject up.
"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality--the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#162)
I guess it was this comment: Which reminded me of the attacks on religion etc., ... Like I said I was dog tired so I didn't connect the dots. My bad. Still I do agree with your criticism that religion has been used as a tool to control people. You can see that stretching well back into the hoary past of humanity - the Egyptian High Priests were masters of manipulation. However, I guess my point is to separate the perfidy of the High Priests from the core of the subject of religion as it does explore a deep realm of human thought and history. The questions are not light ones but lover of philosophy, and humanity, that I am I find them endlessly enchanting and of no small merit. Religion, taken in the more general philosophic sense, is also a thread that runs through human history and it has its good moments. I think part of the problem is that too often people have been betrayed by religious leaders who stray into seeking more venal and materialistic rewards as compared with the intangibles of leading a good life respectful of others and their beliefs. If you are ever inclined a good introduction is the book "The Great Religions by Which Men Live". It is an old book and may be hard to find, but was written in the earlier part of the twentieth century before a lot of the hostilities that now exist were created and is a good overview of what the great religions are truly about. One does not have to agree with the precepts of, or practice it, to find that each of the great religions, at their best, do offer something of intangible worth.
However, religion is a drug. It deludes one's mind with things that the REAL mind controllers wish, in order to yank that person around with deep rooted fear if they don't do as they're told to do by those in "authority".
#164. To: FormerLurker (#161)
Thanks for the laugh to lighten things up. Things were getting a little heated. I took the liberty of fixing that quote of yours. And as far as satanic child abuse, that is a documented fact, not a fairy tale. Really? lol .
That is untrue. In fact, those who worship an evil
entity jew tribal god do pretty much everything they can get away with in terms of emulating their master's lust of excess, perversions, and take pleasure in causing other people's misfortune.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#165. To: Original_Intent, Flintlock (#84)
OKIE_DOKIE, Obi-Wan Kenobi, I am game. Let's step through your incrementally increasing, three set numerically itemized rebuttals (below) about your own rational, objective and methods of suggesting otherwise. The poor ol' laid-up Hawkings doesn't have the physical stamina as most people but there is NO ASSUMPTION although, the preface of the same statement by Hawkings is the following assertion: "I regard." The claim in the same article is because of his own physical disabilities which is not a s-t-r-e-t-c-h for otherwise normal people to understand. He was not attempting to prove or create anything other than a his own understanding of the world around us based on his own background. What is wrong with that? Millions of people were wishing Christian families around the world bon voyage because of Harold Camping's long claimed "rapture" which ended a few hours ago. Nothing happened other than another day; Camping also claimed all those ol' rotten graves would be rising up to heaven. HELL, we didn't even see Elvis rising up. Your point of view is ludicrous, at best. What makes you think that "consciousness" does not require a physical support system? Those are YOUR ideas, not Hawking's. Hawking made no such implication. Here are the serious problems with the article based on Hawking: That conclusion is nonsense by Hawking. The reference is based on religious beliefs which often place mankind as the center of the Universe and therefore "special." It was known for centuries that we are just idiots looking for hope and change not about anything but our individual selves concerning the hard work of mere survival.
article: "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Original_Intent: There is a great variety of illogic and unsupported assertions and assumptions to be found in this statement.
1. It assumes without foundation of proof or logic that sentience is purely a function of biology.
2. From that premise we get again, without benefit of proof or logic, the assumption that sentience and awareness lie within the physical brain.
3. Also implied is that matter organizes itself without benefit of sentience into sentience. In other words the universe created itself and in turn life, awareness, and existence are all functions of the random interaction of chemicals which came from some undesignated source, organized themselves without benefit of awareness or intelligence, and wa-la fucking magic - IT LIVES!
article: In his 2010 book, "The Grand Design" he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God.
article: "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
#166. To: buckeroo (#165)
Buck, I don't know what awaits us if anything on the other side. I'm skeptical of those who say they do, especially when they want money.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#167. To: (#0)
In a 'A Brief History of Time' Mr Hawkings used thesaurus dictionary and a lot of synonym words can't let us see the true vision of things. That's my IMO. No offence...
#168. To: Jimbo (#167)
what do you mean, Jimbo?
#169. To: Flintlock (#166)
I'm skeptical of those who say they do, especially when they want money. Harold Camping has established another date for "rapture." It is now, October 21, 2011 .... to me, this means another party on the day before. Cheers
Buck, I don't know what awaits us if anything on the other side.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
#170. To: christine (#168)
Christine, I mean that if you'll find synonyms for some 'keywords' of main characters you'll see some new things, you haven't seen before!
what do you mean, Jimbo?
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