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Title: Heaven is a 'fairy story' says Stephen Hawking
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International Business Times
URL Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/146 ... story-says-stephen-hawking.htm
Published: May 16, 2011
Author: IBT
Post Date: 2011-05-16 22:19:39 by Flintlock
Keywords: Heysus, Fraud, Terrible, Lie
Views: 3076
Comments: 170
Heaven is a 'fairy story' says Stephen Hawking Physicist Stephen Hawking has dismissed religion once again as he deemed heaven a "fairy story" aimed at appeasing those afraid of death. The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neuron disease. "I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper in an interview published on Monday. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark." Hawking's stance on religion has hardened since the publishing of his seminal work. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang. He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God." In his 2010 book, "The Grand Design" he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes. Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles. Read more: www.ibtimes.com/articles/...hawking.htm#ixzz1MZTleQ88 Poster Comment: IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation......Stephen Hawking agrees. Not bad company to have on an idea.
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#1. To: Flintlock (#0)
That proves nothing, Humans are mortal.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
============================================================ 'Religion' by itself is nothing more than man-created god.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
You mean my wife isn't going to get her Jeebus pony? Boy, is she gonna be pissed. Like she's got problems. Odin sent me here as a guide to teach the HoosierHicks in the ways of self-sufficiency & honor. I'm not looking forward to my next trip through Valhalla.
Giddy-up "The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Many Theists would agree, but they do not discount God. Religion and God are not necessarily synonymous.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
That's a keeper Hap!! Nicely stated.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
See #5 Sing!
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
I agree, but what has religion got to do with God? Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Religion is spirituality, ruined.
I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant
All I know is what I hear at my local 501(c)(3)Heysus groveling center and Rapture®-ready facility. Sometimes they even knock on my door.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS HIMSELF!
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Haven't you heard? The Rapture has been cancelled due to lack of interest and poor ticket sales.
I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant
I hear it's next week...I'm girding my loins in anticipation
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Nope! Cancelled! What makes you think you were on the list?
I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant
I sure hope I'm not. Spending eternity with a bunch of groveling rapture monkeys would surely be Hell.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
True, there is little evidence that man has succeeded in taming the ego.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
I disagree. The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS MONEY!
I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant
You cannot see God, because God is what you see with. I define God as your mind at its deepest level. God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
This succinctly sums up my perspective. Nicely stated Horse.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
God is omnipresent. He exists outside the 10 dimensions of string theory and the 11 dimensions of M theory, existing outside of space time itself. God also exists within us, permeating all that there is. We are made in his image.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
It doesn't do it for me.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
I particularly like the beyond the subject object split.....beyond duality, beyond our preconceptions. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
I disagree. God can be perceived on many levels.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Like the cheap copy of an HD Sportster a Honda Shadow is....
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Name one, with proof of course.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Well, the sheeple here in Ft. Wayne can't seem to muster up enough God-power to sucessfully navigate a 4-way stop sign.
Got any traffic circles? what a nightmare.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
So you're saying God is a drooling retard that relies on the government to run every aspect His life?
LOL!!!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Actually I disagree there. Well sort of. I do agree that man is prone to anthropomorphizing God and thus we make God in the image of a man. That is not what I'm talking about. I do not even attribute human thought processes to God. I think the made in his image part goes beyond the human vs nonhuman part.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
So, which part is made in His image? I don't attribute base human though processes to God so much either. What Horse was speaking of was the supra-conscious, the interconnecting aspect of all of creation. When he speaks of part of the mind, this is the part he is referring to, of which I agree. This part is also called the Universal Consciousness, which is the alpha and the omega of all creation. An aspect of God that is ever present, but not attainable through the base/ego levels of the human conscious in which most people are bogged down in.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
but it is attainable, that's the point. We are made in his image, we have the capacity to attain all that he is.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
The only people who think of God as a "man in the sky" are atheists and artists. I didn't say it wasn't attainable.......I said it wasn't attainable through the base/ego levels of existence. The frequency is too weak at that level, but this is the level that a good dose of humanity dwells most of the time.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Hmmm, I might agree with that but I would have to explore this idea more to make sure we are on the same page. You know how semantics can change what is said.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
You have to understand that I believe that we not only communicate with God but that is works in our daily lives.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
No, you do. Stephen Hawking disagrees. Who is smarter, you or Steve? Hawking would call you a rube.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
In that funny computer voice? Man, that'd be AWESOME!
Ask and you shall receive. : ) Faith of a mustard seed.....
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"A rube by any other name, is still a rube" - Stephen Shakespeare
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Hawking says are all fairy tales.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Let me put you at ease and grant your desire. Based on your behavior on here, you won't be going where the rapture monkeys are going as you called them.
And under what authority or power can you do that? Are you "god"? And based on your assumption of knowing something, and I'm sure you know nothing other than what your Scofield bible tells you....you are an ignorant rube that will share the same fate as me after your useless body's biochemistry stops working. Deal with it.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
If the amount of "guests" is any indication of where "God" can be found around here, then he's at the Horseshoe Casino Church.
Praise Heysus! "The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
I disagree. The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS MONEY! ============================================= The love (worship) of both is IDOLATRY. Meaning to deify.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
====================================== Hard times make people desperate.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Hawking says are all fairy tales. ================================================== And those who believe (trust in) Hawking's words have therefore become his followers.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
But you'd think "god' wouldn't run out of cash...or would you?
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
I sure hope I'm not. Spending eternity with a bunch of groveling rapture monkeys would surely be Hell. I don't think you're in any danger of that happening at this point in the game. LOL
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine. Open your mind some more.
I just thought that maybe, just maybe, you would appreciate a sincere comment/question based on everything you have performed for mankind and not limited to 4um either; I want to thank you for your diligence and untiring efforts to support a single modal concept of chit-chat. I just can't believe I get to touch a thread based on your own comment such as, Rock it Out!!; for me, since I am often kicked around and thrown into the pits of despair, you are raising my hopes for a new concept about humanity and the rising Phoenix representing all of us. I just have one (and only one) question for you; do you really pronounce 'eh as 'ah or is this a popular misnomer?
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
Yeah, don't mention it. It's what I do. I inspire people. Double dream hands!! eh as in 'ay'
I think the mind is the soul, and the soul can experience things beyond physical reality. All minds connected, past, present, and future, here on Earth and elsewhere, make up what some might consider to be God. For Hawkings to think since he knows so much he can outright dismiss the possible existance of yet unknown and undefined forces within this universe and beyond, well, his ego has overcome his ability to reason.
Time, space, motion and distance are ideas in your mind but not in the Mind of God which is that deeper level of Mind that is Your Self.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
To: farmfriend On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine. Actually, the original Hebrew text says "God created Mankind in THEIR own Image, Male and Female THEY created Them." So, in line with the original intent, the text is saying that God created Mankind (and every other living thing), in THEIR own image, MALE and FEMALE. This corresponds with the Duality of Nature, where everything in Nature is either masculine or feminine (or a combination), in terms of not only living things, but physical things such as negative and positive electical charges, hot or cold, north and south magnetic polarity, etc. From what I've read, the actual meaning is that the Human Soul is a microscopic reflection of the Soul of God in this Universe, where it is not only masculine or feminine, it mirrors various "intelligences", or energies which relate to Chakra within the body, or Sephiroth in terms of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. Apparently, not just from the obvious flaws with the various translations from Hebrew which made it into the modern Bible, Genesis itself was probably a rewrite of various ideas concerning Creation from past civilizations, where it changed each time it was passed down from one language to another. Who knows what the original message was, who it came from, or if it was all just a fairy tale to start off with.
I didn't say MY mind, I said ALL of the minds that have existed, do exist, and WILL exist, in this Universe AND Beyond. I don't mean just human minds.
But you'd think "god' wouldn't run out of cash...or would you? ============================================= Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
What FL said.
This garbage has been posted before. & actually, the "religion is a control mechanism" arguement originated & was propagated by your controllers, who hate God & morality. You felll for their tripe.But there is still time to seek truth.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
In the final analysis it won't be about the beliefs of Hawking or you, Plato or me, Stalin or Pope John Paul II, there is an ultimate truth. Like you, my Dad thought religion was simply a control tool. Religion as we know it is what man does to reduce a perpetual / continual creation process larger than his ability to perceive it down to a size his pea brain can handle. Then gurus representing the universe of differing views, idea and opinions use religion to further their own agendas. It's difficult for someone to journey down the path of knowledge without thinking that they've gained some superior knowledge and are somehow entitled to an opinion that either their ego or peer pressure / acceptance causes them to express publicly. (Sometimes these intellects are simply seeking accolades for their brilliance). In the end I'd agree that "religion" has always been used to control people in a million ways. These religions originated in ancient writings that have been handed down to us over time, with our technological knowledge base ever increasing, we have a tendancy to think we know something and I'd opine that even the most brilliant amongst us know nothing much worth knowing. Man is the micro living in the macro and he not only can't see/know the earthly things that exist right in front of his face, he also knows there are other dimensions that exist that he can barely detect but remain a mystery to him while some intelligent force uses these dimensions to operate our solar system and a million others.
“But when you want money for people with minds that hate, All I can tell you brother is that you have to wait.” The Beatles, Revolution, 1968
Coming from Hawking I wouldn't call it garbage. If you know of another Human who has a better understanding out our world and universe please tell us who he is. The fact that you disagree with Hawking doesn't make your "faith based" ideas valid vs Hawking's fact based ideas.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Putz You're funny and not in a humorous sense. You quote The Great Helmsman when is suits you then ridicule him on other threads? That coming from someone who comes from a county that has only produced one great statesman in the form of René Lévesque, and Levesque tried to lead his followers to secede from your country. Of course when secession was in their grasp, like typical Canuckistanis they didn't have the balls to do it. Lack of balls. That describes Canuckistan to a "T" and you are no exception.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Ah...I get it. Like when I wrote Santa a letter asking for a new bike on Heysus' birthday.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
And like my dad too. He was one of those guys that walked away shaking the dust off his feet. He saw too much war and blamed religion, among other things, for the gullible state of mankind that allowed them to be led into it. I differ with him in thinking that religiosity is an arbitrary state of affairs, a cloak that we can merely cast off as it pleases us. Religion is in our bones. Take a shipwrecked load of unbelieving crew and passengers and dump them on an uncharted island somewhere lost in the Pacific. Give them seventy five or a hundred years or so to populate that island. If they haven't hacked each other to death in that time, they will have created a religion, complete with ceremony, a seasonal festal system, taboos and injuctions,and a code that is anterior to the common law, which they are also bound to create. It's the human condition.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.
====================================================== You can't SEE electricity, but have the common sense to know if you immerse yourself into an INVISIBLE STREAM OF 220 VOLTS, things like Heysus will no longer be an issue for you.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Hawking doesn't FULLY discount the notion of God.. Hawking has stated that he is "not religious in the normal sense" and he believes that "the universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws."
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
I never said I didn't believe in god, I only question our understanding of him. ODIN!!!
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Dear God, Please send me a pony and a 44. Magnum for Christmas. P.S. Please also kill John Hagee. Bobby
“I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend” - J.R.R. Tolkien
Only if I'm standing in a pile of saltwater soaked scofield bibles.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Ah....that's cute. There's nothing that brings more joy to my heart than seeing a red-blooded American kid write a letter to Santa.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
That is an excellent question to pose. : ) I forgot about Odin......lol.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
============================================ Most atheists and agnostics chose to be that way because of wholesale hypocrisy. That still does not disprove the validity of a Living Omnipotent, Omniscient, God.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Like you, my Dad thought religion was simply a control tool. Religion as we know it is what man does to reduce a perpetual / continual creation process larger than his ability to perceive it down to a size his pea brain can handle. Then gurus representing the universe of differing views, idea and opinions use religion to further their own agendas. It's difficult for someone to journey down the path of knowledge without thinking that they've gained some superior knowledge and are somehow entitled to an opinion that either their ego or peer pressure / acceptance causes them to express publicly. (Sometimes these intellects are simply seeking accolades for their brilliance). In the end I'd agree that "religion" has always been used to control people in a million ways. These religions originated in ancient writings that have been handed down to us over time, with our technological knowledge base ever increasing, we have a tendancy to think we know something and I'd opine that even the most brilliant amongst us know nothing much worth knowing. Man is the micro living in the macro and he not only can't see/know the earthly things that exist right in front of his face, he also knows there are other dimensions that exist that he can barely detect but remain a mystery to him while some intelligent force uses these dimensions to operate our solar system and a million others. Very well said and worth repeating, thank you.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Thanks, I appreciate your kind response.
“But when you want money for people with minds that hate, All I can tell you brother is that you have to wait.” The Beatles, Revolution, 1968
Yeah, what Paul said !!!
“But when you want money for people with minds that hate, All I can tell you brother is that you have to wait.” The Beatles, Revolution, 1968
well put.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
There is a great variety of illogic and unsupported assertions and assumptions to be found in this statement. 1. It assumes without foundation of proof or logic that sentience is purely a function of biology. 2. From that premise we get again, without benefit of proof or logic, the assumption that sentience and awareness lie within the physical brain. 3. Also implied is that matter organizes itself without benefit of sentience into sentience. In other words the universe created itself and in turn life, awareness, and existence are all functions of the random interaction of chemicals which came from some undesignated source, organized themselves without benefit of awareness or intelligence, and wa-la fucking magic - IT LIVES!
you put that so well.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
And I would disagree. If you were to condition your statement as much, most hierarchical, etc., it would have some limited justification. Religion has been used as tool of control and subjugation by SOME individuals. Some of those systems of control have been formalized into Dogma, belief based on authority, and some have been formed as open questions exploring the nature of the reality we experience and its ramifications. Most people in the West make the mistake of associating the concept of Religion with the hierarchical systems of which they are aware. That is a very limited viewpoint and is only representative of SOME not ALL. Religion can really be subdivided into two broad categories (with finer subdivisions therein). They are: 1. Praxis - that is the practical aspects of a system of Religious Doctrine and Worship. 2. Philosophy i.e., the exploration of the spiritual dimension and ultimate nature of reality, the meaning of life, and who and what we are as individuals. Stephen Hawking falls into a subdivision here in that he assumes that the ultimate nature of reality is only that which exists as material matter. The failing point of such a viewpoint is simply the question, "from whence came the matter?"
Thank You.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Unlike Hawking you fail to grasp the size of the universe. Infinite galaxies, producing infinite planets will produce infinite Earth type planets where life can evolve. Note to thumpers: - There is irrefutable proof that extraterrestrial intelligent beings exist that are vastly superior to us. Did your "god" make them too?
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
This thread is funny. The gist of it is that if it can't be explained, it must be 'god'. It's good that most scientists are atheists. Else we'd remain in the christian-generated dark ages. Perhaps we need another Inquisition to straighten things out for you xtians? You would like that, wouldn't you. Sure you would. Oh wait. That is what the Last Days are for. It will be a bloodbath. Surely you christians will rejoice. You get your death and destruction by proxy: your 'god' will do it all for you. Dont hold your collective breaths. .
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#2. To: Armadillo (#1)
#3. To: Flintlock (#0)
IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation...
#4. To: Flintlock (#0)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#5. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#6. To: Flintlock (#0)
IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation.....
#7. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)
Religion' by itself is nothing more than man-created god.
#8. To: Esso (#4)
You mean my wife isn't going to get her Jeebus pony?
Odin sent me here as a guide to teach the HoosierHicks in the ways of self-sufficiency & honor.
#9. To: Flintlock (#0)
IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation......
#10. To: angK, abraxas (#9)
I agree, but what has religion got to do with God?
#11. To: abraxas (#7)
#12. To: Flintlock (#10)
All I know is what I hear at my local 501(c)(3)Heysus groveling center and Rapture®-ready facility.
#13. To: angK (#12)
Haven't you heard? The Rapture has been cancelled due to lack of interest and poor ticket sales.
#14. To: Flintlock (#13)
I hear it's next week...I'm girding my loins in anticipation
#15. To: angK (#14)
What makes you think you were on the list?
#16. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)
The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS HIMSELF!
#17. To: angK, ALL (#14)
Nope! Cancelled!
#18. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)
The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS HIMSELF!
#19. To: Armadillo (#1)
#20. To: Horse (#19)
God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.
#21. To: Horse, Armadillo (#19)
You cannot see God, because God is what you see with. I define God as your mind at its deepest level. God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.
#22. To: abraxas, Horse (#20)
This succinctly sums up my perspective. Nicely stated Horse.
#23. To: farmfriend, Horse (#22)
#24. To: abraxas, Horse (#23)
#25. To: farmfriend (#21)
We are made in his image.
#26. To: farmfriend (#24)
God can be perceived on many levels.
#27. To: Horse (#19)
I define God as your mind at its deepest level.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#28. To: Esso (#27)
Well, the sheeple here in Ft. Wayne can't seem to muster up enough God-power to sucessfully navigate a 4-way stop sign.
#29. To: farmfriend (#21)
We are made in his image.
#30. To: farmfriend (#21)
We are made in his image.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#31. To: Esso (#27)
the sheeple here in Ft. Wayne can't seem to muster up enough God-power to sucessfully navigate a 4-way stop sign.
#32. To: abraxas, Esso, Original_Intent (#30)
On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.
#33. To: farmfriend, Horse, Original_Intent (#32)
I think the made in his image part goes beyond the human vs nonhuman part.
#34. To: abraxas, Horse, Original_Intent, Esso (#33)
An aspect of God that is ever present, but not attainable through the base/ego levels of the human conscious in which most people are bogged down in.
#35. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#29)
I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.
That "routine" isnt in the Bible anywhere.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#36. To: farmfriend (#34)
but it is attainable,
#37. To: abraxas (#36)
#38. To: abraxas (#36)
#39. To: farmfriend (#38)
You have to understand
I believe that we not only communicate with God but that is works in our daily lives.
#40. To: Flintlock (#39)
Hawking would call you a rube.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#41. To: farmfriend (#38)
You have to understand that I believe that we not only communicate with God but that is works in our daily lives.
#42. To: Esso (#40)
In that funny computer voice?
#43. To: abraxas (#41)
Faith of a mustard seed.....
#44. To: Flintlock (#15)
I sure hope I'm not. Spending eternity with a bunch of groveling rapture monkeys would surely be Hell.
#45. To: ambi (#44)
Let me put you at ease and grant your desire.
Based on your behavior on here, you won't be going where the rapture monkeys are going as you called them.
#46. To: Flintlock (#0)
#47. To: sizzlerguy (#46)
then he's at the Horseshoe Casino Church.
(pass the hat?)
#48. To: angK (#18)
The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS HIMSELF!
#49. To: sizzlerguy (#46)
If the amount of "guests" is any indication of where "God" can be found around here, then he's at the Horseshoe Casino Church.
#50. To: Flintlock, abraxas (#43)
Faith of a mustard seed.....
#51. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#49)
Hard times make people desperate.
#52. To: Flintlock, angK, ambi, Armadillo, farmfriend, Artisan, all (#15)
What makes you think you were on the list?
"Sometimes when I'm faced with an atheist, I am tempted to invite him to the greatest gourmet dinner that one could ever serve, and when we have finished eating that magnificent dinner, to ask him if he believes there's a cook." ~ Ronald Reagan
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#53. To: wudidiz (#52)
#54. To: abraxas (#29)
We are made in his image.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#55. To: farmfriend (#53)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#56. To: wudidiz (#55)
Rock it Out!!
#57. To: buckeroo (#56)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#58. To: Horse (#19)
You cannot see God, because God is what you see with. I define God as your mind at its deepest level. God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: FormerLurker (#58)
#60. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#29)
(Edited)
We are made in his image.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: Horse (#59)
Time, space, motion and distance are ideas in your mind but not in the Mind of God which is that deeper level of Mind that is Your Self.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: Flintlock (#51)
Hard times make people desperate.
#63. To: FormerLurker, abraxas, farmfriend (#60)
the actual meaning is that the Human Soul is a microscopic reflection of the Soul of God in this Universe
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#64. To: Flintlock (#0)
#65. To: Flintlock (#64)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#66. To: Flintlock (#0)
IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation......Stephen Hawking agrees. Not bad company to have on an idea.
#67. To: Artisan (#64)
This garbage has been posted before.
#68. To: wudidiz (#65)
(Edited)
You Sir, are no Ronald Reagan!
#69. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#62)
Faith is the substance of things hoped for
#70. To: noone222 (#66)
Like you, my Dad thought religion was simply a control tool. Religion as we know it is what man does to reduce a perpetual / continual creation process larger than his ability to perceive it down to a size his pea brain can handle. Then gurus representing the universe of differing views, idea and opinions use religion to further their own agendas.
#71. To: Flintlock (#69)
Like when I wrote Santa a letter asking for a new bike on Heysus' birthday.
#72. To: Flintlock (#69)
#73. To: abraxas (#72)
Hawking doesn't FULLY discount the notion of God..
#74. To: Flintlock (#0)
#75. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#71)
ou can't SEE electricity, but have the common sense to know if you immerse yourself into an INVISIBLE STREAM OF 220 VOLTS, things like Heysus will no longer be an issue for you.
#76. To: Turtle (#74)
Please send me a pony and a 44. Magnum for Christmas.
#77. To: Flintlock (#73)
I never said I didn't believe in god, I only question our understanding of him.
#78. To: Flintlock (#75)
Only if I'm standing in a pile of saltwater soaked scofield bibles.
#79. To: noone222, *Post Of The Day* (#66)
In the final analysis it won't be about the beliefs of Hawking or you, Plato or me, Stalin or Pope John Paul II, there is an ultimate truth.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#80. To: noone222, wudidiz (#66)
#81. To: wudidiz (#79)
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#80)
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
#83. To: noone222, *Post Of The Day* (#66)
#84. To: Flintlock (#0)
(Edited)
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
#85. To: Original_Intent (#84)
#86. To: noone222 (#66)
In the end I'd agree that "religion" has always been used to control people in a million ways. These religions originated in ancient writings that have been handed down to us over time, with our technological knowledge base ever increasing, we have a tendancy to think we know something and I'd opine that even the most brilliant amongst us know nothing much worth knowing.
#87. To: farmfriend (#85)
#88. To: Flintlock, Turtle, abraxas, noone222, wudidiz, farmfriend, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent, Itistoolate, Eric Stratton, christine, Artisan, FormerLurker, buckeroo, angK, (#75)
#89. To: Original_Intent (#84)
3. Also implied is that matter organizes itself without benefit of sentience into sentience. In other words the universe created itself and in turn life, awareness, and existence are all functions of the random interaction of chemicals which came from some undesignated source, organized themselves without benefit of awareness or intelligence, and wa-la fucking magic - IT LIVES!
#90. To: all (#88)
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#91. To: Original_Intent, noone222 (#86)
I think the difference is in the semantics. Religion is a faith based dogma which governments HAVE and DO use to control the general populace. Spirituality on the other hand explores the nature of Life, Death, and how the entire Universe relates to Oneself. It is a matter of exploration versus swallowing the accepted dogma either highly recommended or actually forced upon people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#92. To: PSUSA (#90)
You have no proof of that what so ever. All the ones I know are not only believers but one is a minister.
It's good that most scientists are atheists.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#93. To: farmfriend (#92)
Has he written any books? Any Nobel Prizes? And how can you be a full time scientist and full time minister at the same time? Or is he part time? And what about all the non Christian scientists that are believers?
one is a minister.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#94. To: Flintlock (#93)
Yes.
Has he written any books? Any Nobel Prizes?
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#95. To: Flintlock (#93)
Isn't burning at the stake SOP? Personally, I think we should eat them. Waste not, want not.
And what about all the non Christian scientists that are believers?
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#96. To: Esso (#95)
Yep. They burned them because Jeebus loved them.
Isn't burning at the stake SOP?
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#97. To: farmfriend (#94)
Well which is it, books or Nobel Prizes, or both?
Yes.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#98. To: FormerLurker (#91)
Corrected. No it is not really a matter of semantics. Religion, at its basis, is an attempt to explain life and the universe in which we live. It is an attempt to answer and explain the most fundamental questions of existence. Different religions have arrived at different answers and yet each is a complete system of thought aimed at answering man's most basic wonderings. The province of religion are such questions as: Who am I? What am I? Am I a body, a spirit, or a unity of spirit and body? What is the nature of right and wrong? In the West religion has become confused, and yes it is subject to manipulation, as only being "worship" of some kind, as well as being a subject dictated purely from authority. But that is not the only aspect of religion and it is a subset of a greater subject. Religious Philosophy is the study of those questions of existence which fall within the purview of religion. Some examples would be morality, and ethics that can be taught either from an authoritarian point of view or founded upon reason. Yet both are within the boundaries of what is called religion. The "Golden Rule" is a religious doctrine founded upon reason. Buddhism is a Religion and yet, in its pure form, as taught by Gautama Siddhartha whom we today call THE Buddha (there was more than one) has not one single worship service within its doctrines or teachings. Taoism is as well accorded the status of being A religion and yet it as well contains no form of worship. The Western religions of today have at the root of their dogma, belief bereft of reason and dictated by another, authoritarianism founded upon a materialist viewpoint. Eastern religions tend more toward the spiritual acknowledging "Man" as a spiritual being and not merely a hunk of mobile meat. Each religion, in its own school, seeks to answer all of the fundamental questions of existence. However, it is reason that leads us to choose and to decide which path we wish to follow. I had a long standing debate, never completely settled, with a couple of friends who were pastors. One argued from authority i.e., the laws of the Bible are to be followed without question or analysis. The other, with whom I was more sympatico, took a view closer to my own - that Biblical Laws are founded upon ultimate reason, and that they were laid out so as to be understood. The question which I posed, and still unsettled, is who is the more moral man? The man who follows dogmatically what he perceives to be "the law" without question? Or is it the man who seeks to understand those laws and why they are good and wholesome, who then follows them because reason suggests that they are wise laws? Yes, in many cases, religion has been used as tool to shackle man, but that does not have to be so and it is not always so. Religion in the West has largely become dictatorial and as such based upon authoritarian pronouncements it has departed from reason and become a vehicle for small and venal men to whom the true subjects of religion are a foreign matter.
I think the difference is in the semantics. Religion is a faith based dogma which governments HAVE and DO use to control the general populace.
What is right?
What is wrong?
How do I distinguish between the two?
#99. To: Flintlock (#97) (Edited)
IPCC AR4 Same one Al Gore got. I can't cite the scientific papers but I have seen them.
Well which is it, books or Nobel Prizes, or both?
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#100. To: Flintlock (#96)
Jeebus needs to try medium-rare sometime.
They burned them because Jeebus loved them.
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#101. To: farmfriend (#92)
Is proof needed? I could probably dig some up if you insist. We could play Battle of the Links and Sources. And the minister is positive that his insignificant little jealous insecure psychopathic hypocritical murderous jew desert tribal god is the real creator god? He is indeed a man of (blind) faith. AS for the other scientist believers (!) I dont have a problem with them. They probably haven't even read the bible. It's like a license agreement for installing software. No one reads them. They just click "I Agree" and away you go. So they have an excuse that the 'minister' doesn't have, since I presume he has read the bible and studied it. .
You have no proof of that what so ever. All the ones I know are not only believers but one is a minister.
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#102. To: noone222 (#82)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#103. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#88)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#104. To: Flintlock (#89)
And you base that assertion upon what? Have I ever said the physical universe was not vast in extent? NO. In fact I have even entered into the argument that universe in which we currently exist is not the only universe. And you know that there are infinite i.e., numbers without bound, galaxies how? And how does simple quantity of matter beget life? Simply saying the universe is of great extent does not answer that fundamental question, and when you assert it does you are arguing from the authority of your own personal dogma. Superior in what way? And what do you mean by superior? Simple technology? Morally? Intellectually? Spiritually? You are offering assertions but no reason why anyone should accept them for anything more than the comments of someone who is hostile to the subject of religion. Certainly you offer no more basis to accept them as valid than that which is offered up by some backwoods hustler in a black Frock Coat.
Unlike Hawking you fail to grasp the size of the universe.
Infinite galaxies, producing infinite planets will produce infinite Earth type planets where life can evolve.
Note to thumpers: - There is irrefutable proof that extraterrestrial intelligent beings exist that are vastly superior to us. Did your "god" make them too?
#105. To: farmfriend (#85)
the rejection of the existence of our Creator..if evidenced only by the creation..boggles the mind.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#106. To: Original_Intent (#86)
hawking believes his own hype.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#107. To: Eric Stratton (#103) (Edited)
=============================================== Kinda squeaky, but I still like it. It keeps you guessing. Agnostics are 'eternity challenged'
She sounds like she belongs in the movie Fargo.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#108. To: Rotara (#105)
Yes it does.
the rejection of the existence of our Creator..if evidenced only by the creation..boggles the mind.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#109. To: PSUSA, farmfriend (#90)
Ever hear of Georges Lemaître? Good thing too, else we'd remain in the atheist-generated dark ages of astrophysics.
It's good that most scientists are atheists. Else we'd remain in the christian-generated dark ages.
He was the Jesuit priest and astrophysicist who came up with the "Big Bang" theory (so named by Fred Hoyle, mocking the idea).
The scientific establishment at the time mocked the idea. Even Einstein disliked it. Eventually the discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation validated his ideas.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#110. To: Armadillo (#109)
www.spaceandmotion.com/co...ang-theory-under-fire.htm So much for that. You speak of theory. Here is an example based on fact: Ever hear of Galileo? lol. Fucking christians forced him to recant when he was right. Well, at least they didn't burn him alive, or stretch him on the rack, or rip his balls off. I suppose they'd call that an act of christian charity... He stayed under house arrest for life. .
Eventually the discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation validated his ideas.
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#111. To: Flintlock (#0)
I think I have discovered the reason why the Bible can contain contradictions, inconsistencies and absurdities and yet remain the immutable word of God. If God has infinite wisdom and infinite intelligence, then, He is capbable of an infinite range of compartmentalisation and rationalisation.... lol
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#112. To: PSUSA (#110)
Peerhaps you are unaware of how science is supposed to work (AGW not withstanding). Dont worry, I'll educate you. Funny, you have to go back to the 1600's to Galileo, while my example was from the relativly recent 1960's.So much for that. You speak of theory. Here is an example based on fact: Ever hear of Galileo?
Theorys are formulated, tested, and accepted if found to be in agreement with observation. Thus far, the "Big Bang" theory is still the accepted standard. There are ideas in competition with it. They have their own problems and are still being tested.
Atheists just love Galileo, Georges Lemaître and others not so much. LOL.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#113. To: Original_Intent (#104)
That Hawking is the most qualified person on this planet, and the rest of us are unable to comprehend the universe as he does. A quick look at most Hubble photos show billions of galaxies....that's how. To me with my puny earthling brain, that's infinite. Dogma? You're kidding, right. The shear mathematics make life on other planets a guaranteed event. All that matters is the technology. Were the Spanish superior morally to the Indians they tortured to convert to Heysus? It doesn't matter, they had superior technology in the form of guns and steel swords and we able to impose their will with impunity. Believe what you wish, I'm not here to convert you to anything. Don't forget to tithe, Heysus needs money
And you base that assertion upon what?
And you know that there are infinite i.e., numbers without bound, galaxies how?
And how does simple quantity of matter beget life? Simply saying the universe is of great extent does not answer that fundamental question, and when you assert it does you are arguing from the authority of your own personal dogma.
Superior in what way? And what do you mean by superior? Simple technology?
You are offering assertions but no reason why anyone should accept them for anything more than the comments of someone who is hostile to the subject of religion.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#114. To: irishthatcherite (#111)
It was written by men and edited by kings....enough said.
I think I have discovered the reason why the Bible can contain contradictions, inconsistencies and absurdities
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#115. To: Flintlock (#114)
I think Saul was a Roman psyop.. lol
It was written by men and edited by kings....enough said.
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#116. To: Armadillo (#112)
I'm not an atheist. But it seems silly to say that one must believe in the kike 'god' or one's an atheist. It's a big universe. Too big for a pissy nutty little desert god. Funny, you have to go back to the 1600's to Galileo, while my example was from the relativly recent 1960's That is not relevant to the discussion. But lets go with it, shall we? Let's talk modern times. The church has advanced! Congratulations! They no longer burn people alive or torture them. Well, at least not in the open. They have their sheep do it for them, by proxy. The pope and the rest of that bunch don't like blood in their robes. It's a PITA to clean the stains off of them. So here is an example. 500,000 Iraqi kids died from sanctions. That kike cunt Albright said it was worth it. I'm sure you've seen the video of that. If not, let me know and I'll post it. Tell me. Where was the 'church' when that was happening? Was there an outcry? Protest? I don't remember any such actions. I don't even remember hearing about that story as it was happening. 500,000 is just a number though. Let's put it in terms that are more easy to imagine. Assume an average height of 2 feet per dead kid. That is a total of 1,000,000 feet in length, stretched out head to toe. You would make a line of baby corpses 189 miles long. That is a conservative estimate. But it was worth it. And the fucking church said nothing? So where was the mighty righteous christian church? Tell me. maybe I missed something? Useless motherfuckers. The further away I get from christianity, the shittier it looks. .
Atheists just love Galileo
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#117. To: Armadillo (#109)
bravo.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#118. To: PSUSA (#116)
You are disgusting.
But it seems silly to say that one must believe in the kike 'god' or one's an atheist.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#119. To: Armadillo (#109)
He was the Jesuit priest and astrophysicist who came up with the "Big Bang" theory (so named by Fred Hoyle, mocking the idea). Good thing too, else we'd remain in the atheist-generated dark ages of astrophysics. Are you implying that the discovery was Divinely influenced?
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#120. To: Rotara (#106)
And I think he is developing delusions of omniscience. Studying inanimate matter tells one little about the living spirit.
hawking believes his own hype.
#121. To: Flintlock (#89)
Mabee the extraterrestrials ARE God. Mabee.
There is irrefutable proof that extraterrestrial intelligent beings exist that are vastly superior to us. Did your "god" make them too?
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#122. To: Flintlock, psusa (#67)
Actually I don't even know who Hawking is.The notion that religion (moral law) is to "control the masses" is propogated by the very elite tyrants who we oppose & who seek to destroy goodness,& liberty.Encouraging people to love one another & not murder,
(contd from below), rape, steal, lie, etc serves no 'controlling' purpose, but rather benefits all the world.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#123. To: angK, Flintlock (#121)
They were the "angels" whom spoke to the "prophets", if an entity of any sort did. They are not God though. God is everything, and all of us, and beyond.
Mabee the extraterrestrials ARE God. Mabee.
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#124. To: FormerLurker, angK (#123)
The prime Creator
God is everything, and all of us, and beyond.
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#125. To: Original_Intent (#98)
On one hand, yes. Religion exists for all of what you mention. However, religion is just an unreasonable belief in a story one has been told to believe. Spritual Paths, such as Budhism and Taoism, do not consider themselves a religion. They view their beliefs as a learning experience, and meditate to receive further enlightenment. There are MANY beliefs, but only one Truth. That which is found by seeking and being of pure spirit, will be that Truth.
Religion, at its basis, is an attempt to explain life and the universe in which we live. It is an attempt to answer and explain the most fundamental questions of existence. Different religions have arrived at different answers and yet each is a complete system of thought aimed at answering man's most basic wonderings.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: wudidiz (#124)
That which lies beyond our understanding, yet existed before existence itself. Like I said, beyond our understanding, since there can be an infinite number of existences, ie. other universes, which exist in parallel with our own.
The prime Creator
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#127. To: Artisan (#122)
That is true as well. The Psychs who run the manipulation show and cultural destruction operations for the psychotic banksters absolutely hate religion - much as a Vampire shown a cross. Religion teaches us that their are limits and that there is such a thing as good and decent behavior. To the "if it feels good do it" crowd that is an anathema. After all what if pedophelia is what makes them "feel good", but religion teaches us to protect, rear (as opposed to rear end), and nurture children. there is no room for their twisted behavior in that. It is no secret and a matter of public record that Psychiatrists have the highest suicide rate of any medical specialty. They also have the highest conviction rate for financial fraud, and patient sexual abuse. Says a lot about how effective their quackery is.
Actually I don't even know who Hawking is.The notion that religion (moral law) is to "control the masses" is propogated by the very elite tyrants who we oppose & who seek to destroy goodness,& liberty.Encouraging people to love one another & not murder,
#128. To: Artisan (#122)
What sort of people are the hard core Bush and Cheney supporters? Buddhists? Which sort of folk want to anhilate those "muzzies" over "there" before they come here?
The notion that religion (moral law) is to "control the masses" is propogated by the very elite tyrants who we oppose & who seek to destroy goodness,& liberty
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#129. To: Original_Intent (#127)
Well that's a leap. You could say that satanists hate christians, and yeah, the reverse is true. However, religion is a drug. It deludes one's mind with things that the REAL mind controllers wish, in order to yank that person around with deep rooted fear if they don't do as they're told to do by those in "authority". In the not too distant past, people were tortured to death if they did not "believe" properly. That is a work of evil, not one of good.
The Psychs who run the manipulation show and cultural destruction operations for the psychotic banksters absolutely hate religion - much as a Vampire shown a cross.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: FormerLurker (#126)
Honestly, I don't know a thing. But I have a few beliefs... 1. This is all an illusion. 2. What we as humans perceive to be God and the Devil are of the same thing. 3. Our Creator, our Father has more intelligence and love for us than we can begin to imagine... That's enough for now
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#131. To: wudidiz (#130) (Edited)
2. What we as humans perceive to be God and the Devil are of the same thing. 3. Our Creator, our Father has more intelligence and love for us than we can begin to imagine... I believe God is closer than that. WE are ALL part of God, and that is why it is such an evil thing to corrupt or hurt another being, and NOT just humans, as ALL living beings are ALSO part of God. God is not evil by nature, so God is not the Devil. There IS no devil, but there IS evil. And that is the flip side of everything, there is a positive and a negative. God represents a positive constructive force, whereas evil represents a negative destructive force. Yet, without both, there could not be life, since destruction clears the way for construction many times each second in the form of cell life and death for instance. So evil is not the destructive force of God, evil is just a human trait which creates harmful energy which feeds on itself to grow stronger. It's much easier to think that is true, rather than to view the universe as a balancing act between a Good God and a Bad Devil, where for everything to work out, it has to be that way.
1. This is all an illusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#132. To: FormerLurker (#129)
"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas..." "I regard myself as one of the most dangerous enemies of religion." "In short, the nature of the hallucinations of Jesus, as they are described in the orthodox Gospels, permits us to conclude that the founder of the Christian religion was afflicted with religious paranoia." "We can therefore justifiably stress our particular point of view with regard to the proper development of the human psyche, even though our knowledge be incomplete. We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life…. We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the Church: the two most difficult are law and medicine." "It was only through the political work of Hitler that the meaning of racial hygiene has become publicly manifest in Germany, and it is only due to him that our thirty-year-old dream to put racial hygiene into practice has become a reality."
G. Brock Chisholm, psychiatrist and co-founder of the World Federation of Mental Health
Sigmund Freud
Psychiatrist Dr. Charles Binet-Sangle: La Folie de Jesus (The Madness of Jesus), 1910
Dr. John Rawlings Rees, "Strategic Planning for Mental Health", June 18, 1940
Dr. Ernst Rudin, Nazi psychiatrist, explaining how psychiatrists in Germany originated the ideas of genocide which Hitler later executed. Note: Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger published Rudin's article in the U.S.: "Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need"
#133. To: Original_Intent (#132) (Edited)
Do you think the Iraq and Afghan wars would have been possible without religion involved? If the "terrorists" had been Christians from Spain, would we have declared war on Spain? That and France just for good measure? How many Buddhists supported either war? Or, on the other hand, who DID support it, cheer it on, and want MORE MORE MORE????
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: Original_Intent (#132)
OI, did you dig deep for those quotes? I thought you were a Scientologist? Don't you view volcanoes as the source of all life?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: Original_Intent (#132)
They ARE the founders and initiates of "law" and "medicine", who are you kidding?
the two most difficult are law and medicine
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#136. To: Original_Intent (#132) (Edited)
And how is one being Spiritual and Free, akin to being hostile to family traditions, individualisism, and patriotism?
"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas..."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#137. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#136)
These religious discussions/arguments never go anywhere.
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#138. To: Original_Intent (#132)
Channel Hitler into the discussion. Yes, we must all feel remorse and sorrow for what that crazy bastard did, with the support of those who ENCOURAGED him to do so, and FINANCED him accordingly. Now shucks, who the hell would THAT be I wonder...
"It was only through the political work of Hitler that the meaning of racial hygiene has become publicly manifest in Germany, and it is only due to him that our thirty-year-old dream to put racial hygiene into practice has become a reality."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: Original_Intent (#132)
What it comes down to OI is that I ask you, please do not throw bullshit quotes my way. If you wish to discuss, discuss, but man, I can throw quotes back too...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#140. To: farmfriend (#118)
What I said is true. That you don't like it, doesn't change a thing. Or, try and prove me wrong. .
You are disgusting.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#141. To: Artisan (#122)
Then why did the 'church' "murder, rape, steal, lie, etc"? It was the elites best, most useful tool to control the masses. It's still dangerous, but it's losing its effectiveness. .
Encouraging people to love one another & not murder, rape, steal, lie, etc serves no 'controlling' purpose, but rather benefits all the world.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#142. To: wudidiz (#137)
Only if one is looking for converts/followers. If that is the goal, forget about it. .
These religious discussions/arguments never go anywhere.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#143. To: Flintlock (#0)
I submit that there is, in fact, a God. Shit like this does not happen by chance: There was a serious artist at work on this creation.
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#144. To: Critter (#143)
You got that right. That sofa didn't just build itself.
There was a serious artist at work on this creation.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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#145. To: Critter (#143)
No, it happens with plastic surgery. She's had a boob job.......next!
Shit like this does not happen by chance:
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#146. To: Esso (#144)
Did you notice the perfect combination of cushion and fabric? How it firmly supports without sagging or wrinkling?
You got that right. That sofa didn't just build itself.
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#147. To: Critter (#146)
Of course, who wouldn't? Playboy magazine is really bad for having chickie-poos blocking the pictures of the fine furniture too. I've written and complained now for thirty years, but it's not getting any better. Maybe the next issue...
Did you notice the perfect combination of cushion and fabric? How it firmly supports without sagging or wrinkling?
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#148. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#127)
even today there is religious persecutions by despot govts worldwide, china being a well known one.On his deathbed, Thomas Jefferson wrote to a friend decrying "monkish superstition".The freemasonic screed, our co-posters here have unwittingly adopted....
I will expand on the below at a later time when i am not on a mobile device.Suffice to say that the origins of these ideas espoused in this thread by the anti-religionists were cleverly & purposely planted into society.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#149. To: FormerLurker (#128)
The Bush family & cheney are high-level freemasonic illuminate satanists who worship & practice evil & human sacrifice.The deceived followers are mostly socalled 'conservative Christians'.This isnt an indictment of Christianity, but proof of the spiritual
(continued from the box below) proof of the spiritual warfare & societal propaganda mind control largely used successfully by the NWO loonies.If one really follows & discerns the teachings of Jesus theyd never agree with the bush doctrine.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#150. To: Artisan (#122)
The physicist who is in a wheel chair and speaks with an electronic voice.
Actually I don't even know who Hawking is.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#151. To: PSUSA (#141)
The church is comprised of fallible humans, sinners who often do the wrong things.That people are sinners doesnt negate the need for moral law, it only proves it!Also, there is a conspiracy to destroy & discredit the church from within.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#152. To: farmfriend (#150)
thanks. he can be the smartest 'scholastic' genius touted by the establishment press, but anyone who doesn't even believe in a Sovereign God is completely lost, & not that bright.Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#153. To: Artisan (#152)
Agreed.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
#154. To: farmfriend (#153)
the issue for many intellectuals & geniuses is pride.God has blessed & bestowed mankind with an amazing intellect & endless potential.They, like fallen angels, reject God & want to be God themselves.Pride is their downfall.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#155. To: Artisan (#151) (Edited)
Being a fallible human is not a 'sin'. It's being a human. That people are sinners doesnt negate the need for moral law, it only proves it! You don't need the jews to tell you what's moral, then or now. Morality is not based on the jew 'god', who is one of the most immoral constructs of all time. If you don't believe me, just read the bible. Try living by the bible and see how long you live in freedom. You can't do it. You'll either end up in prison or dead yourself. Remember, it's all or nothing, right? Either it's 'gods' infallible word or it isn't. Either you live it or you don't. Are you a heretic? Do you choose what to do and believe? You know that heretic means to choose, to make a choice. Your own church does its best to forbid you the ability to make a choice. Also, there is a conspiracy to destroy & discredit the church from within. Satanic infiltrators? lol. They aren't needed. Really, we Satanists are not as powerful as some make us out to be. We are a tiny minority, fractured into many splinter groups, many "high priest(ess)" ankle-biting punk kids nipping at each others heels, with lots of ego to go around. The church is destroying itself from within, by christians, through their own actions. And it's about time.
The church is comprised of fallible humans, sinners who often do the wrong things.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#156. To: PSUSA (#155)
I didn't say that being endowed with fallible human nature is itself a sin.I said that sin is not an indictment of Christianity.As far as the admitted "satanist"/freemasonic conspiracy against their enemy, the Catholic church, that is old news.Their own w
(contd) writings acknowledge their plan of infiltration from within.Not of Luther's protestant church.The real church.Read ALTA VENDITA.What do you think all these perv fag priests came from? satanists.The prince of darkness & father of lies.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#157. To: Artisan (#156)
Silly me. I thought they came from sexual repression of the priests and nuns instigated by the church. Only the heretics can get married. Of course the church then uses fear of excommunication of the heretic (and the resultant eternal hell, torture etc) to get them back in line. It's funny to me how "the devil made me do it" argument is used by the church to cover for their own actions. And to COVER UP their own actions. Just blame Satan and His Infernal Majesties "evil" minions, and carry on with business as usual... Is the catholic church the Church of Satan? Are they all "in on it"? Is that the organization that you belong to? If it was a Satanic church, there'd be no kiddie diddling in it. That's for sure. We're more moral than the xtian church. .
What do you think all these perv fag priests came from? satanists.The prince of darkness & father of lies.
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“Satanism is about walking against the grain and going against what is considered acceptable by society. Therefore, it is impossible to make it socially acceptable, because when it is accepted by society it is no longer Satanism.” -Unknown
#158. To: Artisan (#149)
That has been suggested more than once, and I am not arguing whether it's true or not. What I AM saying though is that neither of them would have had a chance in hell of getting away with what they did if "Christians" were TRULY peace loving folks, spiritualy pure, and filled with the "Holy Spirit". Even the "God" of the Bible is a vindictive, selfish, and callous god, one who insists on animal sacrifice, and who orders the slaughter of untold numbers of men, women, and children, including babies. That is not a "good" or "loving" God, especially being the fact he favors the very people who wrote the "book", where of course they would write that about themselves.
The Bush family & cheney are high-level freemasonic illuminate satanists who worship & practice evil & human sacrifice.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#159. To: FormerLurker (#139)
The use of the quotes were not meant to be insulting. I like and respect you too much for that. I just have found that it is much easier to make my point on the pernicious influence of organized psychiatry by quoting them (in answer to your other question I keep a file of them for reference - that I've collected from a variety of websites). I can call them names and insult them till I'm blue in the face but nothing makes the point faster and more effectively than simply repeating what they have said and written themselves. That and I was dead tired and just did not have enough oomph left to do a longer post. My point really, and you can trace it back through their writings, is that organized psychiatry from Freud on, is very hostile towards religion. You can even find some of the hostility codified in the DSM IV where devout religious beliefs are characterized as mental disease. The reality is, as I am sure you are aware, that we, the caring people, are facing off against a very evil combine of Banksters and Psychs. Both have their individual aims of subjugation but they are not our friends. You can dig back through their writings and utterances all the way back into the twenties and thirties and this hostility against religion, particularly Christianity, pops up time and time again. I suspect that one of the reasons that Christianity has been targeted is because of its moral codes and precepts. Under a Christian regime such things as treating individuals and things and using them for whatever foulness moves or titillates these monsters are strictly proscribed. You can find the hostility against conventional and historical morality tied into and bound up in their rants against it. Mostly you can find it in the older writings from the 30's through the 50's. I suspect that they have become a little more covert but you can follow their actions and see it is still there. Just to emphasize my point, and not to rouse your hackles, here is a quote from G. Brock Chisholm one of the founders of the World Federation of "Mental Health". What it comes down to OI is that I ask you, please do not throw bullshit quotes my way. If you wish to discuss, discuss, but man, I can throw quotes back too...
"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality--the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy."
~ Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder World Federation of Mental Health
#160. To: Artisan (#154)
Then there are those who DO believe in God, just not the way they are TOLD to believe in God. They in fact strive for a better understanding of God, and do not rely on the words of men with an agenda to explain what God is. At one time not that long ago, a person would be brutally and sadistically tortured if he or she didn't "believe" the right way. That is not good, that is evil. That is the past "work" of church leaders and government, which were one and same for all practical purposes. In fact, the church could be seen as the seat of a true one world government. A true path to God does not involve inserting hot pokers into people's orifices, tearing apart their bodies, and causing them unimaginable suffering. However, that is what they did. Seems to me, their "religion" didn't fill their souls with love and kindness, making them "holy", it made them sadistic and evil. To this day, the vast majority of those who approve and condone our foreign adventures in the Middle East are those who are of that same religion, or an offshoot thereof. As I brought up, I doubt you'd find very many Buddhists who are cheering for the wars we are currently waging against people who have done us no wrong.
They, like fallen angels, reject God & want to be God themselves.Pride is their downfall.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#161. To: PSUSA (#157)
That is untrue. In fact, those who worship an evil entity do pretty much everything they can get away with in terms of emulating their master's lust of excess, perversions, and take pleasure in causing other people's misfortune. They feel they are gods unto themselves, and have the right to do WHATEVER they feel, including causing harm to others. And as far as satanic child abuse, that is a documented fact, not a fairy tale.
If it was a Satanic church, there'd be no kiddie diddling in it. That's for sure. We're more moral than the xtian church.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#162. To: Original_Intent (#159)
~ Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder World Federation of Mental Health I have no doubt that those who founded the field of psychiatry have ulterior motives, and are very foul people with demented minds. Just look up Donald Ewen Cameron as an example. However, I don't recall bringing the subject up.
"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality--the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#162)
I guess it was this comment: Which reminded me of the attacks on religion etc., ... Like I said I was dog tired so I didn't connect the dots. My bad. Still I do agree with your criticism that religion has been used as a tool to control people. You can see that stretching well back into the hoary past of humanity - the Egyptian High Priests were masters of manipulation. However, I guess my point is to separate the perfidy of the High Priests from the core of the subject of religion as it does explore a deep realm of human thought and history. The questions are not light ones but lover of philosophy, and humanity, that I am I find them endlessly enchanting and of no small merit. Religion, taken in the more general philosophic sense, is also a thread that runs through human history and it has its good moments. I think part of the problem is that too often people have been betrayed by religious leaders who stray into seeking more venal and materialistic rewards as compared with the intangibles of leading a good life respectful of others and their beliefs. If you are ever inclined a good introduction is the book "The Great Religions by Which Men Live". It is an old book and may be hard to find, but was written in the earlier part of the twentieth century before a lot of the hostilities that now exist were created and is a good overview of what the great religions are truly about. One does not have to agree with the precepts of, or practice it, to find that each of the great religions, at their best, do offer something of intangible worth.
However, religion is a drug. It deludes one's mind with things that the REAL mind controllers wish, in order to yank that person around with deep rooted fear if they don't do as they're told to do by those in "authority".
#164. To: FormerLurker (#161)
Thanks for the laugh to lighten things up. Things were getting a little heated. I took the liberty of fixing that quote of yours. And as far as satanic child abuse, that is a documented fact, not a fairy tale. Really? lol .
That is untrue. In fact, those who worship an evil
entity jew tribal god do pretty much everything they can get away with in terms of emulating their master's lust of excess, perversions, and take pleasure in causing other people's misfortune.
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#165. To: Original_Intent, Flintlock (#84)
OKIE_DOKIE, Obi-Wan Kenobi, I am game. Let's step through your incrementally increasing, three set numerically itemized rebuttals (below) about your own rational, objective and methods of suggesting otherwise. The poor ol' laid-up Hawkings doesn't have the physical stamina as most people but there is NO ASSUMPTION although, the preface of the same statement by Hawkings is the following assertion: "I regard." The claim in the same article is because of his own physical disabilities which is not a s-t-r-e-t-c-h for otherwise normal people to understand. He was not attempting to prove or create anything other than a his own understanding of the world around us based on his own background. What is wrong with that? Millions of people were wishing Christian families around the world bon voyage because of Harold Camping's long claimed "rapture" which ended a few hours ago. Nothing happened other than another day; Camping also claimed all those ol' rotten graves would be rising up to heaven. HELL, we didn't even see Elvis rising up. Your point of view is ludicrous, at best. What makes you think that "consciousness" does not require a physical support system? Those are YOUR ideas, not Hawking's. Hawking made no such implication. Here are the serious problems with the article based on Hawking: That conclusion is nonsense by Hawking. The reference is based on religious beliefs which often place mankind as the center of the Universe and therefore "special." It was known for centuries that we are just idiots looking for hope and change not about anything but our individual selves concerning the hard work of mere survival.
article: "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Original_Intent: There is a great variety of illogic and unsupported assertions and assumptions to be found in this statement.
1. It assumes without foundation of proof or logic that sentience is purely a function of biology.
2. From that premise we get again, without benefit of proof or logic, the assumption that sentience and awareness lie within the physical brain.
3. Also implied is that matter organizes itself without benefit of sentience into sentience. In other words the universe created itself and in turn life, awareness, and existence are all functions of the random interaction of chemicals which came from some undesignated source, organized themselves without benefit of awareness or intelligence, and wa-la fucking magic - IT LIVES!
article: In his 2010 book, "The Grand Design" he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God.
article: "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
#166. To: buckeroo (#165)
Buck, I don't know what awaits us if anything on the other side. I'm skeptical of those who say they do, especially when they want money.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
#167. To: (#0)
In a 'A Brief History of Time' Mr Hawkings used thesaurus dictionary and a lot of synonym words can't let us see the true vision of things. That's my IMO. No offence...
#168. To: Jimbo (#167)
what do you mean, Jimbo?
#169. To: Flintlock (#166)
I'm skeptical of those who say they do, especially when they want money. Harold Camping has established another date for "rapture." It is now, October 21, 2011 .... to me, this means another party on the day before. Cheers
Buck, I don't know what awaits us if anything on the other side.
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02
#170. To: christine (#168)
Christine, I mean that if you'll find synonyms for some 'keywords' of main characters you'll see some new things, you haven't seen before!
what do you mean, Jimbo?
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