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Title: Heaven is a 'fairy story' says Stephen Hawking
Source: International Business Times
URL Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/146 ... story-says-stephen-hawking.htm
Published: May 16, 2011
Author: IBT
Post Date: 2011-05-16 22:19:39 by Flintlock
Keywords: Heysus, Fraud, Terrible, Lie
Views: 3427
Comments: 170

Heaven is a 'fairy story' says Stephen Hawking

Physicist Stephen Hawking has dismissed religion once again as he deemed heaven a "fairy story" aimed at appeasing those afraid of death.

The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neuron disease.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper in an interview published on Monday.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."

Hawking's stance on religion has hardened since the publishing of his seminal work.

Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.

He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God."

In his 2010 book, "The Grand Design" he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God.

"That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.

Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.

Read more: www.ibtimes.com/articles/...hawking.htm#ixzz1MZTleQ88

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IMO, Religion is nothing more than a control system to keep the sheeple on the reservation......Stephen Hawking agrees. Not bad company to have on an idea.

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#17. To: angK, ALL (#14)

Nope! Cancelled!

Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-16   23:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)

The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS HIMSELF!

I disagree.

The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS MONEY!

I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant

angK  posted on  2011-05-16   23:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Armadillo (#1)

You cannot see God, because God is what you see with. I define God as your mind at its deepest level. God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2011-05-16   23:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Horse (#19)

God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.

This succinctly sums up my perspective. Nicely stated Horse.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-16   23:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Horse, Armadillo (#19)

You cannot see God, because God is what you see with. I define God as your mind at its deepest level. God is a level of mind where there is no illusion of a subject object split which is beyond the ego.

God is omnipresent. He exists outside the 10 dimensions of string theory and the 11 dimensions of M theory, existing outside of space time itself. God also exists within us, permeating all that there is. We are made in his image.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-16   23:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas, Horse (#20)

This succinctly sums up my perspective. Nicely stated Horse.

It doesn't do it for me.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-16   23:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend, Horse (#22)

I particularly like the beyond the subject object split.....beyond duality, beyond our preconceptions. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-16   23:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas, Horse (#23)

I disagree. God can be perceived on many levels.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-16   23:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#21)

We are made in his image.

Like the cheap copy of an HD Sportster a Honda Shadow is....

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-16   23:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#24)

God can be perceived on many levels.

Name one, with proof of course.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-16   23:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Horse (#19)

I define God as your mind at its deepest level.

Well, the sheeple here in Ft. Wayne can't seem to muster up enough God-power to sucessfully navigate a 4-way stop sign.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2011-05-16   23:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#27)

Well, the sheeple here in Ft. Wayne can't seem to muster up enough God-power to sucessfully navigate a 4-way stop sign.

Got any traffic circles? what a nightmare.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-16   23:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: farmfriend (#21)

We are made in his image.

On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-16   23:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend (#21)

We are made in his image.

So you're saying God is a drooling retard that relies on the government to run every aspect His life?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2011-05-16   23:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Esso (#27)

the sheeple here in Ft. Wayne can't seem to muster up enough God-power to sucessfully navigate a 4-way stop sign.

LOL!!!

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-16   23:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas, Esso, Original_Intent (#30)

On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.

Actually I disagree there. Well sort of. I do agree that man is prone to anthropomorphizing God and thus we make God in the image of a man. That is not what I'm talking about. I do not even attribute human thought processes to God. I think the made in his image part goes beyond the human vs nonhuman part.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-16   23:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend, Horse, Original_Intent (#32)

I think the made in his image part goes beyond the human vs nonhuman part.

So, which part is made in His image? I don't attribute base human though processes to God so much either. What Horse was speaking of was the supra-conscious, the interconnecting aspect of all of creation. When he speaks of part of the mind, this is the part he is referring to, of which I agree. This part is also called the Universal Consciousness, which is the alpha and the omega of all creation. An aspect of God that is ever present, but not attainable through the base/ego levels of the human conscious in which most people are bogged down in.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-16   23:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas, Horse, Original_Intent, Esso (#33)

An aspect of God that is ever present, but not attainable through the base/ego levels of the human conscious in which most people are bogged down in.

but it is attainable, that's the point. We are made in his image, we have the capacity to attain all that he is.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-16   23:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#29)

I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.

The only people who think of God as a "man in the sky" are atheists and artists.
That "routine" isnt in the Bible anywhere.



Once you go armadillo, you never go back.

Armadillo  posted on  2011-05-16   23:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend (#34)

but it is attainable,

I didn't say it wasn't attainable.......I said it wasn't attainable through the base/ego levels of existence. The frequency is too weak at that level, but this is the level that a good dose of humanity dwells most of the time.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-16   23:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#36)

Hmmm, I might agree with that but I would have to explore this idea more to make sure we are on the same page. You know how semantics can change what is said.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-17   0:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas (#36)

You have to understand that I believe that we not only communicate with God but that is works in our daily lives.


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-17   0:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: farmfriend (#38)

You have to understand

No, you do. Stephen Hawking disagrees. Who is smarter, you or Steve?

I believe that we not only communicate with God but that is works in our daily lives.

Hawking would call you a rube.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   0:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Flintlock (#39)

Hawking would call you a rube.

In that funny computer voice? Man, that'd be AWESOME!

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2011-05-17   0:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: farmfriend (#38)

You have to understand that I believe that we not only communicate with God but that is works in our daily lives.

Ask and you shall receive. : )

Faith of a mustard seed.....

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-05-17   0:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Esso (#40)

In that funny computer voice?

"A rube by any other name, is still a rube" - Stephen Shakespeare

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   0:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas (#41)

Faith of a mustard seed.....

Hawking says are all fairy tales.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   0:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Flintlock (#15)

I sure hope I'm not. Spending eternity with a bunch of groveling rapture monkeys would surely be Hell.

Let me put you at ease and grant your desire. Based on your behavior on here, you won't be going where the rapture monkeys are going as you called them.

ambi  posted on  2011-05-17   0:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: ambi (#44)

Let me put you at ease and grant your desire.

And under what authority or power can you do that? Are you "god"?

Based on your behavior on here, you won't be going where the rapture monkeys are going as you called them.

And based on your assumption of knowing something, and I'm sure you know nothing other than what your Scofield bible tells you....you are an ignorant rube that will share the same fate as me after your useless body's biochemistry stops working.

Deal with it.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   0:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Flintlock (#0)

If the amount of "guests" is any indication of where "God" can be found around here, then he's at the Horseshoe Casino Church.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2011-05-17   0:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sizzlerguy (#46)

then he's at the Horseshoe Casino Church.

Praise Heysus!
(pass the hat?)

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   0:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: angK (#18)

The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS HIMSELF!

I disagree.

The reason man is in the shape he is in today is because he IDOLIZES and WORSHIPS MONEY!

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The love (worship) of both is IDOLATRY. Meaning to deify.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-05-17   1:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sizzlerguy (#46)

If the amount of "guests" is any indication of where "God" can be found around here, then he's at the Horseshoe Casino Church.

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Hard times make people desperate.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-05-17   1:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Flintlock, abraxas (#43)

Faith of a mustard seed.....

Hawking says are all fairy tales.

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And those who believe (trust in) Hawking's words have therefore become his followers.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2011-05-17   1:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#49)

Hard times make people desperate.

But you'd think "god' wouldn't run out of cash...or would you?

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   1:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Flintlock, angK, ambi, Armadillo, farmfriend, Artisan, all (#15)

What makes you think you were on the list?

I sure hope I'm not. Spending eternity with a bunch of groveling rapture monkeys would surely be Hell.

I don't think you're in any danger of that happening at this point in the game.


"Sometimes when I'm faced with an atheist, I am tempted to invite him to the greatest gourmet dinner that one could ever serve, and when we have finished eating that magnificent dinner, to ask him if he believes there's a cook." ~ Ronald Reagan


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-05-17   1:25:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: wudidiz (#52)

LOL


Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-05-17   1:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: abraxas (#29)

We are made in his image.

On this point I disagree. I think this notion evolves from man's ego, which is extremely limited and prone to anthropomorphize. I don't buy the ol' bearded man in a cloud routine.

Open your mind some more.


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-05-17   1:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: farmfriend (#53)

Rock it Out!!


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-05-17   1:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: wudidiz (#55)

Rock it Out!!

I just thought that maybe, just maybe, you would appreciate a sincere comment/question based on everything you have performed for mankind and not limited to 4um either; I want to thank you for your diligence and untiring efforts to support a single modal concept of chit-chat.

I just can't believe I get to touch a thread based on your own comment such as, Rock it Out!!; for me, since I am often kicked around and thrown into the pits of despair, you are raising my hopes for a new concept about humanity and the rising Phoenix representing all of us. I just have one (and only one) question for you; do you really pronounce 'eh as 'ah or is this a popular misnomer?

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," ... "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it" -- Ron Paul, circa 2010-12-02

buckeroo  posted on  2011-05-17   2:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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