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Title: Has Stephen Hawking Been Wrong For The Last 30 Years?
Source: openculture.com
URL Source: http://www.openculture.com/2007/03/has_stephen_haw.html
Published: May 17, 2011
Author: ?
Post Date: 2011-05-17 21:30:59 by Armadillo
Keywords: None
Views: 358
Comments: 33

With his cutting-edge research on black holes in the 1970s, Stephen Hawking emerged as a major player in the physics world. Then, with the 1988 publication of the bestseller, A Brief History of Time, Hawking achieved international celebrity status.

As this BBC presentation shows, Hawking’s fame might rest on weaker foundations than most could have imagined. Several important physicists, including Leonard Susskind here at Stanford (see our previous references to him), zeroed in on Hawking’s major contention that, when black holes disappear, they take along with them all information that ever existed inside them, which leads to the logical conclusion that there are clear limits to what scientists could ever know about black holes. After 20 years of debate, the Susskind camp seems to have won out, leaving Hawking’s legacy in question.

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Shhhhhh, dont tell the Hawking worshipers.

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#1. To: Armadillo (#0)

Shhhhhh, dont tell the Hawking worshipers.

Meaningless.

Science evolves throughout time and theories change as our understanding of the universe becomes somewhat more complete.

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-17   21:36:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Science evolves throughout time and theories change as our understanding of the universe becomes somewhat more complete.

Well that's odd.
Religion does the same thing, changing and maturing as our understanding of God becomes more complete.
For some odd reason, unbelievers have no slack for... say, a mistake against Galileo, but plenty of slack for errors in "science".

Those who don't believe in God will believe anything.

Armadillo  posted on  2011-05-17   22:02:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Religion does the same thing, changing and maturing as our understanding of God becomes more complete.

That's absurd! God is ineffable. Our understanding of God is minute, if we have any understanding at all. As for religion maturing! Religion merely changes, as the expediency of the moment dictates.

angK  posted on  2011-05-18   1:45:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's absurd! God is ineffable. Our understanding of God is minute, if we have any understanding at all.

As for religion maturing! Religion merely changes, as the expediency of the moment dictates.

Wrong. Crack open a Bible, read Acts, read a history book. You will see how religion changes and matures over time. Also, using modern techniques and archaeology to better understand ancient life and languages has allowed us to gain new insight into the Bible. Some of these insights can be seen in the NIV translation, where (much to the chagrin of KJV devotees) text is removed and/or altered to better reflect the original intent of the writing.

Armadillo  posted on  2011-05-18   2:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's absurd! God is ineffable. Our understanding of God is minute, if we have any understanding at all.

"First you say it's absurd, then you make a similar point as I did. Make up your mind."

I'm hardly making the same point as you. You said, "as our understanding of God becomes more complete."

FURTHERMORE THIS PART OF YOUR COMMENT BEARS EXAMINATION

"Wrong. Crack open a Bible, read Acts, read a history book. You will see how religion changes and matures over time. Also, using modern techniques and archaeology to better understand ancient life and languages has allowed us to gain new insight into the Bible. Some of these insights can be seen in the NIV translation, where (much to the chagrin of KJV devotees) text is removed and/or altered to better reflect the original intent of the writing."

I HAVE CRACKED OPEN A BIBLE. I CAN'T QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE, BUT I KNOW THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE TEXT IS NOT TO BE ALTERED.

THE NIV TRANSLATION IS NOT A TRANSLATION IF TEXT IS REMOVED AND ALTERED AND WHO IS TO SAY WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE WRITING WAS. YOU ARE DECLARING AGAIN THAT WHATEVER YOUR RELIGION IS, YOU KNOW THE MIND OF GOD AND WHAT HE INTENDED!

I SAY THAT IS ABSURD!

angK  posted on  2011-05-18   3:26:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm hardly making the same point as you. You said, "as our understanding of God becomes more complete."

"More complete" means our understanding is lacking but getting better.
You said "Our understanding of God is minute, if we have any understanding at all".
You said the same thing as I, phrased differently.

I HAVE CRACKED OPEN A BIBLE. I CAN'T QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE, BUT I KNOW THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE TEXT IS NOT TO BE ALTERED.
THE NIV TRANSLATION IS NOT A TRANSLATION IF TEXT IS REMOVED AND ALTERED AND WHO IS TO SAY WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE WRITING WAS. YOU ARE DECLARING AGAIN THAT WHATEVER YOUR RELIGION IS, YOU KNOW THE MIND OF GOD AND WHAT HE INTENDED!

You do not know anything it seems.
First, the Bible does not say the text can not be altered AFAIK. The text was written many decades after the events at the earliest.
Second, the KJV was created in 1611. After it was printed it was found to have many embarassing errors and was revised. It has been revised many times since. It is probably the most revised version, and still has errors.
Some believe the KJV is the unerring word of God. If so, how do they revise that?

The NIV is a fresh translation, using modern techniques and better understanding of Jesus time than they had in 1611. We have learned a lot since 1611 about language, history, and archaeology. The NIV puts that knowledge to use to make a better, easier to read, more accesable Bible.
What was removed are things that were added many centuries after the facts. For example, there is a part of one book that was obviously copied verbatium from another book out of context by a medieval scribe. It was not in older texts.
Should that error remain, or should it be corrected? The NIV corrects it.

Translating from an ancient langauge, like ancient Greek, to another is not a simple task. Some words have different meanings depending on use. Some words have no direct counterpart in the other language. We are much better at translating ancient text today than we were in 1611. The NIV tries to maintian the original intended meaning of the text, not just a 1-to-1 word swap that can give a wrong meaning.

Of course you are welcome to use any Bible you prefer.

Armadillo  posted on  2011-05-18   19:14:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: Armadillo (#17)

Of course you are welcome to use any Bible you prefer.

God honors our hearts, not our doctrines!

May the peace of God, which passes all understanding, dwell in you and in your house forever.

angK  posted on  2011-05-18 19:44:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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