Title: Atty., Dr. Herb Titus: Obama Not A Natural Born Citizen Source:
TheAmericanView.com URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmkmV5scHCQ Published:May 10, 2011 Author:BirtherReportDotCom Post Date:2011-05-19 02:48:01 by GreyLmist Keywords:Natural Born Citizenship, Constitution, Obama, Ineligibility Views:79 Comments:7
This is hard to comment on. I kept thinking that it explained BO's passion for immigration reform... The Dream Act. He must be aware that he is not a natural born citizen and an imposter in the White House.
It's true that he has divided loyalties. He is clearly his father's son and favours the blacks over the whites in every instance.
He supports the underdogs, unless they're white. He has a chip on his shoulder, regardless of where he was born, and he is hiding something. These are not good qualities for the POTUS.
This is hard to comment on. I kept thinking that it explained BO's passion for immigration reform... The Dream Act. He must be aware that he is not a natural born citizen and an imposter in the White House.
Thanks for your input. I agree that he most likely is aware that he is ineligible. As for Dream Act "immigration"/illegal migrant "reform", this is evidence that our Founders intended to deny American citizenship even when born to two American parents if the American father was never resident in the United States:
the THIRD CONGRESS in 1795 states, "...children of citizens [plural = both parents] of the United States...shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (THIRD CONGRESS Session II. Ch.21. 1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415.
Ex: If an American father was on diplomatic assignment abroad, or an American businessman who worked overseas, and his American wife gave birth there, the child could be considered an American citizen but not a natural born American citizen. If that child was a son who was raised abroad, met and married an American woman who went abroad, and they continued to live abroad until after they had a child, the child would not be considered an American citizen. Their child would be considered a citizen of the country where they were born.
Every condition of citizenship here except natural born citizenship by birth on American soil to two American parents is determined by intervention of law. Hence, there are even points in law to determine the age of an American parent and how long they lived in America before a birth to them abroad as to whether or not they are legally able to confer basic citizenship at all on their child, let alone natural born citizenship which has a much stricter criteria.
It is more than absurd for "immigration reformists" to sidestep the legal limits of American parents to confer American citizenship by descent, as if any foreigner and of any age should be able to come here as an illegal alien whenever they want to have basic American citizenship conferred on their offspring by our "government" -- like they and their babies are somehow more privileged automatically that way than an American parent who is expected to meet reasonable standards by law as checkpoints for qualification-clearance or not on the capacity to confer basic citizenship status at birth on a child of their own.
Edited for last paragraph punctuation.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The State Department author, Leventhal, wrote "The Obama Birth Controversy" (which is no longer accessible at America.gov) and in it reportedly referenced this FactCheck.org info posted August 29, 2008 (which is still accessible for verification):
A: No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 23rd birthday.
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at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.
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given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963.
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the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 23, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1984.
Corrected (Sep. 3, 2009): Our original article incorrectly stated that then- Sen. Obama lost his Kenyan citizenship on Aug. 4, 1982. The correct date is Aug. 4, 1984. The Kenyan Constitution required Obama to choose whether to keep either his U.S. or Kenyan citizenship upon his 21st birthday, which was in 1982. But we initially missed that the Constitution provided him a two-year window for making that choice. So Obama did not lose his Kenyan citizenship until his 23rd birthday in 1984. We have updated the item to reflect this.
- Joe Miller
Obama could not be a dual citizen at birth and also a natural born citizen of America. Nor does Congress have the authority to simply declare by law/act/resolution or Amendment whatever they want the term natural born citizen to mean. Additionally, ex post facto law as an attempt to attach the term to Obama retroactively, like they wrongfully did with McCain, is not allowed by the Constitution.
This is a reminder for Shoonra and company that the original "birthers" were largely Democrats back when the issue was McCain's citizenship status.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Comments at the Volokh Conspiray on Natural Born Citizen Law relevant to the illegal migrant Dream Act issue:
I remember reading a case once of a young woman who had lived her entire life in Texas. She married a Mexican guy, then their kid was born while she was on vacation in Mexico visiting her husband's parents. The kid was held not a citizen because the mother was only 18, too young to have lived in the U.S. for five years after her fourteenth birthday.
Well, it's an easy path to naturalization for such a person, so except for the fact that said person would be ineligible to become president, is it really so "unjust"?
I'd say that it isn't unjust. I think the Founding Fathers intended to motivate Americans not to go warring abroad or on other excursions by choice outside of America if they want their child to be born potentially eligible for the Presidency, providing that at the age of 35 years or more their offspring can also meet the Constitutional requirement of no less than 14 years as a resident within the United States.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Obama could not be a dual citizen at birth and also a natural born citizen of America. Nor does Congress have the authority to simply declare by law/act/resolution or Amendment whatever they want the term natural born citizen to mean.
defining "natural born citizen", etc. I've covered this for Militia under the Militia act whereby Congress restricted membership to those between 17 and 45. IF Congress held this authority, Congress could make the Militia everyone under age 4 or everyone over age 80. If you accept the first, 17-45, then you have no choice but to accept an alternative. [My note: I disagree with their opinion of no choice to nullify Congressional over-reach and absurdity. Continuing...]
An honorable person would have simply made arrangements for proof of birth without blinking an eye. [My note: I can't logically fault them for arriving at that assessment. Continuing...]
And since the We the People are the boss, We the People have the authority to require proof.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
FWITW - Mrs.L was born in Australia while her American citizen parents were stationed there while he served in the USAF.
She had dual-citizenship until she was 18, when she had to choose which country...shockingly, she chose the USA.
I'm so glad to hear that she picked the US of A. :) Understandable if she might have to think it over a bit more under the circumstances these days.
This birther problem is not at all as difficult as it's being made to be.
I agree. Meanwhile, the default is that laws passed by Congress are not signable by an imposter President as valid. No authorizations at that level are valid without the Constitutionally required credentials, regardless of how many approve of Obama being used as he is to try and globalize America's office of President.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC