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Title: Romans 13:1-7
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Post Date: 2011-05-20 00:13:29 by RickyJ
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These are some of my thoughts on Romans 13: 1-7

If you think I am wrong about this please let me know how I am wrong. I have a sick feeling many ministers in America have on purpose been misleading their congregations into believing Christians should obey their government.

I have always thought Romans 13 could not have been talking about civil governments because to do so would contradict many other scriptures in the New Testament.

I still believe this to be the case despite the widely taught and held belief that Romans 13: 1-7 is talking about submission to secular governments. What is actually being commanded here by Paul is submission to higher authorities, most think this means secular governments, but that is not what this verse is saying.

Submission to higher authorities for a Christian would be leaders in the church, deacons, elders, and the apostles. It also of course means submission to Jesus Christ, the highest authority of them all.

It does not mean civil secular governments who have no scriptural authority over the church of Jesus Christ. The first century church did not submit to any secular government beyond paying taxes. As Jesus commanded us to render unto Ceaser the things that are Ceaser's and to God the things that are God's. Paul himself was tortured by the Roman government for disobeying them. Paul wrote this letter to Christians in Rome and they knew he was tortured and imprisoned by the Roman government for disobeying them. No one that he wrote this letter would have for a second believed he was talking about submitting to them!

Obviously the "higher authority" that Paul is referring to in Romans 13:1 is not the Roman government or any civil government on Earth.

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These are some of my thoughts on Romans 13: 1-7

Perhaps it would be best if you were to use the thoughts of the Bible instead. Just my opinion, you understand.

To begin with, is there another witness to Romans 13:1-7 in the Bible?

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, (King James Bible Online http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Titus-3-1/)

Principalities, powers and magistrates is pretty easily understood to be governments in general.

Secondly, who established these governments? Does the Bible tell us?

Colossians 1:15,16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So Jesus Christ, the 'image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature,' a created being himself, created these powers. Why? Well, why did the Christ Jesus come to the earth?

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Not hard to understand. He was sent here to preach the Good News of the Kingdom of his Father. This is stated as his work also in Matthew.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

In verse 3 of Matthew 24, his disciples asked him for a SIGN of his presence when he returns to the earth. The verses 4 through 12 describe what will be happening on the earth during his return (matthew 25:31-34), but verse 14 is the direct sign that he is present and continuing his assignment.

Why is the Kingdom of his Father so important? Because it is the solution to ALL of the problems that plaugue this earth, but esp. it is the solution to the ruler of this present world; Satan. As is stated in the Lord's prayer:

Matthew 6:9; After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

This prayer is for us to ASK that the rule of his Father be returned to the earth, exactly as is shown in Daniel 2:44. That is why his government is called a hevenly kingdom; it will, just as it did in the beginning with Adam and Eve, rule the earth from heaven.

Malachi 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not

He is perfect. How do you change perfection? No one can, including Almighty God, therefore He stays the same, as do His Works and His Purposes.

What are His Purposes for the corrupt governemnts of man, controlled by Satan?

Let me ask you this: would you care to live in Somalia, where there is no government? Perhaps, instead, you would prefer to live in America without a central government, where 'might makes right?' Is there anywhere on the earth where someone could live in relative peace, without there being a central government? No. The imperfection of man guarentees that peace, even relative peace, is impossible without some form of government. Up till this time in history, a unigue part of the history of the universe, most people world wide have lived in realative peace while they searched for God.

However, to stop the preaching work, the focus of Almighty God and of His Son TODAY, which is the responsibility of Jesus Christ, anarchy is the preferred system of Satan. It would put a stop to the world wide preaching work which is, basically, now completed in fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus Christ at Matthew 24:14. Instead of anarchy, Satan has had to use other methods of trying to stop that work, such as natural disasters and endless wars, but nothing works against the Will of Almighty God and His Son.

In conclusion, you should note this:

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

In other words, you are going against the Will of Jehovah.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And it is not neccessary to understand that will in order to do it. It is simply neccessary to submit. Most, unfortunately, can not.

richard9151  posted on  2011-05-20   18:31:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You can bow down to the kingdoms of this world which satan controls, I will not.

Luke 4:5-8

Paul wasn't talking about submitting to the Roman government. If you think that then you are ignorant of the fact that he himself was disobeying them and not submitting to them.

Oh, and by the way, I know all about the clergy response team. I highly suspect you are a member of that club. It would be better to be real member of the Lord's body than to serve Satan on the Earth. Good luck with Judgement day.

RickyJ  posted on  2011-05-20   22:31:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You can bow down to the kingdoms of this world which satan controls, I will not.

Why would a smart god, make stupid people then put them on a planet ruled by satan?

Flintlock  posted on  2011-05-20   22:41:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why would a smart god, make stupid people then put them on a planet ruled by satan?

That is a good question.

I don't know. But it is obvious evil people do control this world, so it appears Luke 4:5-8 is correct in that regard.

RickyJ  posted on  2011-05-20   22:47:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is a good question.

I don't know. But it is obvious evil people do control this world,

That is clearly established in the Bible. And, it was stated as such as early as in the Book of Genesis, in chapter 3, verse 15. That verse also stated that there would be an end to evil, when the seed of Satan is bruised in the head.

The entire story in the Bible begins with a paradise earth, and ends with the restoration of that paradise in the Book of Revelation. Everything in between is the details of what went wrong, and how it is to be fixed after all intelligent creation is allowed the time neccessary to learn what it is like to live without direction, and care, from God.

The other side of the coin is that man has no solution to the problem. In the Book of Daniel, demonic princes of Persia and Greece are clearly shown contending with a faithful angel who was sent to minister to the prophet Daniel. This control of earthly governments by demons is restated in Luke;

Luke 4;5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

So all of the power over the kingdoms of the earth belongs to Satan, and he gives it to whomever he wishes. Ever really wonder why Obama is president of the US? ANd by-the-way, the above is directly from the King James Bible. It is also important to note that this control of those governments was DELIVERED to Satan. By whom? Who established those authorities? Remember why I told you those authorities were established?

Since the demons control the governments of earth, what solution do you propose, that is superior to the solution given by Jesus?

Remember the Lord's prayer?

Matthew 6;9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

This prayer is meant for us to petition Almighty God to return His rule to the earth, and get rid of Satan. Makes perfect sense to me, as it is the ONLY workable solution. As long as Satan is alive and in control, nothing can change.

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