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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
Views: 6051
Comments: 177

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#88. To: Diana (#87)

I believe after we die our souls go on to another dimension.

Howard Storm's My Descent into Death is the best book I've ever read about what will happen to our souls.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   15:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Jethro Tull, hmmmmm, timetobuildaboat, Esso, Eoghan, griper, Bub, Grumble Jones, Brian S, Burkeman1, secret_squirrel, Bayonne, Eoghan, TommyTheMadArtist, tom007, swarthyguy, MUDDOG, Soda Pop, HOUNDDAWG, Elliott Jackalope, mirage, Yertle Turtle, bluegrass (#0)

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Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   16:17:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Diana (#87)

hey, diane, i didn't ping you because i thought you were off the net. good to see you here.

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   16:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#78)

It's too bad you didn't hear Alex Jones' interview of the ship's doctor, whose name slips my mind at the moment, a few months ago. There is conclusive proof. LBJ's own words for one example, as a matter of fact.

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   16:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: christine (#0)

Not so much issues, but political philosophies. I have been a registered Republican for 23 years. Before that, I was a Young Republican for three. In June of this year I changed my party affiliation to Independent because I felt my party left me. They are no longer the party of smaller, less intrusive government, but the party of drunken, irresponsible spending. My views have not changed one iota, the parties has.

82Marine89  posted on  2005-10-16   16:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: 82Marine89 (#92)

After having done a bit of reflecting on the history of the party, I don't think it's changed. I think the GOP has always been about conserving their own wealth and power. I think what's changed is that they now have an administration who openly flaunts it and our eyes have been opened to it.

Now, is there anything that you have learned about an issue that you previously had a very strong opinion about that has influenced you to change your mind?

Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   16:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: lodwick (#43)

Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!

LOL....

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   16:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: christine (#93)

Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?

He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.

As for my opinions, none have changed. I am still staunchly against global welfare, illegal immigration, affirmative action, and government involvement in anything not enumerated in the Constitution. There might be some ancillary issues that I have changed on, but the major ones have not changed.

82Marine89  posted on  2005-10-16   16:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#52)

About the land........God said He owned all the land and that he was giving this area to the Israelites. But it didn't and doesn't stop there.....there was a wee little word attached to the POSSESSION of the land.

That little word was IF. After the IF word, there were several others that suggested the Israelites had to conform to his commandments, statutes, and laws.

For modern day christians to think they can help God shows their ignorance. He doesn't need anyones help....especially a bunch of busybodies who need to be looking in their own yardhearts and minds and definitely spending more time in the book actually discerning and learning what it says.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   16:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#93)

I’ve begun burning bridges with folks who refuse to educate themselves on the important issues facing us. By remaining rigid to their positions, despite factual rebuttal, they become part of the problem. They have to be walked around and left behind, despite the relationship.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-16   16:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: 82Marine89 (#95)

Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?

He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.

Uh... No it's not. It's Boris Karloff from THE MUMMY.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   16:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: 82Marine89 (#95)

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   17:01:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#98)

Thank's for the correction, I was told he was a zombie. Either way, I like the pic.

82Marine89  posted on  2005-10-16   17:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: 82Marine89 (#100)

You gotta see the movie. He wasn't a zombie. That's Kharis. I promise, when you see the movie, all will become clear.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   17:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: christine (#0)

How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?

I thought I was a republican because I wanted a smaller fiscally responsible government.

Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahaha! Hahaha!!!

I never voted though because I was just one person and really didn't follow politics.

Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahaha! Hahaha!!!

Last fall I voted for the first time in my life at age 40. I may not have made a difference, but years from now I'll be able to say, "Wasn't me that did it."

Mwu. Mwuha. Mwuhaha. Mwuhaha! Mwuhahaha!!

I was a stock market bull and believed that gold and silver were barbaric metals up until last summer. 25 years of history can't be wrong. I always felt it was better to own a piece of the bank than put the money in the bank. All that changed. Suddenly I find myself stocking up on canned goods, water, and barbaric relics.

Crap. Crap crap. Crap Crap! Crap crap crap!!!

For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.

Holy. Holy cow. Holy frickin' cow. Holy frickin' cow!!!

Is that enough major issues? ;)

When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers

markm0722  posted on  2005-10-16   17:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: markm0722 (#102)

Let's see, where do I start after your rant???

I read a book called "The Devil", a history of how the Devil came to be. Now I don't belive in The Devil, nor do I really follow the bible because I think it's a tool to destroy the world, along with every other Godforsaken organized religion.

I don't belive in psychic phenomena, as I've seen far to many fucking frauds put up on TV as the real thing. Those of us who really ARE psychic should go into hiding, and use our collective powers for evil, just to get even.

I thought that Windows XP would be the best thing for me to use on my home computer.

I thought that George Bush was the better choice than either Gore or Kerry.

I thought that my government would cease to be full of morons who wanted to take my rights away, but after 6 years of this clown, I'm even more paranoid.

Living in Minneapolis for the last 4 years has made me an incredibly intolerant person, as I used to be able to suffer with the idiocy around me.

I thought that I'd have a good economic future with the republicans in office. Now I couldn't be more wrong.

I thought that illegal immigration would be a top priority after 19 illegal aliens brought down the twin towers, and part of the Pentagon.

Jesus Christ... I don't believe anything anymore. Not even when I fucking see it happening, I still don't believe it.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   17:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: markm0722 (#102)

yep, that's enough. :P

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   17:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: christine (#0)

Taking a stab at getting the thread back to your initial question.......and it isn't exactly an idea, but sort of fits.

As you know, I was a strong supporter of Alan Keyes for years.......going back to before the liar in chief's wimpy daddy's attempted second term campaign. Back in those years of listening to and reading Alan, I saw someone who was principled and well versed in the constitution.

At tos2 and fu, I was challenged on him based on my earlier feelings of support. I did have a difference with him regarding volunteer service being mandatory-- but at that point it was merely discussion. I'd never go for volunteerism that way.

And I was on the fence regarding Michael New. I was 100% in feeling Michael was correct in not defacing his uniform with the un blue shit, and felt the military let him down badly. Worse, the administration did, too....they all bowed down to making our men international soldiers.

Alan Keyes, being from a military family, kept saying soldiers have to follow orders. I agree that out on the battlefield, it is important to follow commands, to take out a gunnery nest, or whatever, and it lends to unit cohesion, blah, blah, blah......but I just wasn't convinced.

The day my mind changed was when he had the tv program on msnbc, what was it, January 2003, when he and that scumbag dertyshits were all but doing liplock over using torture. There was no disagreement over using torture, just the reasoning behind it.

I've had enough 'justifying' of evil under the guise of 'good' to last several lifetimes.

While I can thank him for having shone the light on abortion, the constitution was only words in his glorified vocabulary. :(

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   17:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: markm0722 (#102)

Ya saw the light, eh?

BTW, good rant.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   17:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: markm0722 (#102)

For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.

Sounds like you have made alot of good progress.

tom007  posted on  2005-10-16   17:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Moldi_Box, Starwind, Mekons4, crack monkey, JHoffa_, orangedog, Critter, Pissed Off Janitor, Arete, purpleman, Critter, lightmind, Kamala, JRadcliffe, Zoroaster, Axenolith, aristeides, Arator (#0)

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Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   17:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: rowdee (#94)

Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!

Exactly. I see that you've met those of that persuasion, also.

Either that, or it just magically appeared on Mr.Guetenberg's doorstep one morning.

ID cheers up there, Dee.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   17:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: 82Marine89 (#95)

He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.

And here I thought that it was Michael Chertoff all this time...

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   17:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: rowdee (#105)

Alan Keyes

Ditto's for me with Buchanan.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-16   17:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: markm0722 (#102)

I was a stock market bull and believed that gold and silver were barbaric metals up until last summer. 25 years of history can't be wrong. I always felt it was better to own a piece of the bank than put the money in the bank. All that changed. Suddenly I find myself stocking up on canned goods, water, and barbaric relics.

Crap. Crap crap. Crap Crap! Crap crap crap!!!

For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.

Holy. Holy cow. Holy frickin' cow. Holy frickin' cow!!!

Welcome & good job with it.

(Continue to avoid the lycra, however.)

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   17:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: lodwick (#109)

Hey, you........did ya get to read those two others I did for you==I think on friday.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   18:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: lodwick (#110)

And here I thought that it was Michael Chertoff all this time...

LOL! There is a sort of ghastly (or do I mean ghostly) resemblance.

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   18:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Jethro Tull (#111)

Certainly disappointments. I think they would a been better than anything picked, but sheet............

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   18:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: robin, lodwick (#114)

LOL.........I don't have the tags set to be seen, so I haven't seen the avatar; however, the mere suggestion that it could be Chertoff is enough to make me shudder.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   18:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: rowdee (#105)

While I can thank him for having shone the light on abortion, the constitution was only words in his glorified vocabulary. :(

I liked him too for awhile. He gave good speeches, and at first, he did not appear to be part of the political machine.

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   18:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: christine (#0)

read my tagline

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-10-16   18:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: rowdee (#113)

I know that I got one, and Friday's too far in the past for me to remember...;- )

I will go look however, and Thank You very much.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   18:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: rowdee (#116)

You should activate the tag thingie - there is good stuff there, and for me, it kinda personalizes the poster for me.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   18:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#118)

yep, tis true. ;)

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   19:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: christine (#5)

Have I had a change of heart on any major issues?

no, the war is still a crock, Bush is still insane, etc...etc....

The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-10-16   19:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: christine (#0)

Hmm this is a hard one.. well maybe I've changed my mind on having extra marital affairs? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-10-16   19:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#122)

Have I had a change of heart on any major issues?

no, the war is still a crock, Bush is still insane, etc...etc....

How about wearing a peg leg? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-10-16   19:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#122)

how about a minor one? :P

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   19:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: christine (#0)

My opinion on Iraq has changed dramatically.

I used to associate an anti-war stance with moral cowardice and knee jerk, anti-patriotism..

I realize now that I have more information available about our latest conflict, and after having done some reading into others from the past, that often the reverse is actually true.

Are there people who would gleefully meet any occupying army on US soil with a white flag, regardless? Sure.. and I still hate them.

But by the same token, there's reasoned dissent, also. It's moral. It's reflective What it's not reflexive and not the least bit indicative of a hatred for the Country or it's citizens.

BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-10-16   20:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Jhoffa_ (#126)

here's one that i've changed on. i used to loathe all democrats. now i loathe all republicans. juuussss kidding. :P

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   20:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine (#89)

Yeah! I changed my tag.

I long for the days when "Go fuck yourself!" wasn't the first thought my mind could conceive.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2005-10-16   20:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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