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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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Comments: 177

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#94. To: lodwick (#43)

Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!

LOL....

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   16:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: christine (#93)

Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?

He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.

As for my opinions, none have changed. I am still staunchly against global welfare, illegal immigration, affirmative action, and government involvement in anything not enumerated in the Constitution. There might be some ancillary issues that I have changed on, but the major ones have not changed.

82Marine89  posted on  2005-10-16   16:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#52)

About the land........God said He owned all the land and that he was giving this area to the Israelites. But it didn't and doesn't stop there.....there was a wee little word attached to the POSSESSION of the land.

That little word was IF. After the IF word, there were several others that suggested the Israelites had to conform to his commandments, statutes, and laws.

For modern day christians to think they can help God shows their ignorance. He doesn't need anyones help....especially a bunch of busybodies who need to be looking in their own yardhearts and minds and definitely spending more time in the book actually discerning and learning what it says.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   16:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#93)

I’ve begun burning bridges with folks who refuse to educate themselves on the important issues facing us. By remaining rigid to their positions, despite factual rebuttal, they become part of the problem. They have to be walked around and left behind, despite the relationship.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-16   16:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: 82Marine89 (#95)

Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?

He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.

Uh... No it's not. It's Boris Karloff from THE MUMMY.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   16:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: 82Marine89 (#95)

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   17:01:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#98)

Thank's for the correction, I was told he was a zombie. Either way, I like the pic.

82Marine89  posted on  2005-10-16   17:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: 82Marine89 (#100)

You gotta see the movie. He wasn't a zombie. That's Kharis. I promise, when you see the movie, all will become clear.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   17:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: christine (#0)

How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?

I thought I was a republican because I wanted a smaller fiscally responsible government.

Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahaha! Hahaha!!!

I never voted though because I was just one person and really didn't follow politics.

Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahaha! Hahaha!!!

Last fall I voted for the first time in my life at age 40. I may not have made a difference, but years from now I'll be able to say, "Wasn't me that did it."

Mwu. Mwuha. Mwuhaha. Mwuhaha! Mwuhahaha!!

I was a stock market bull and believed that gold and silver were barbaric metals up until last summer. 25 years of history can't be wrong. I always felt it was better to own a piece of the bank than put the money in the bank. All that changed. Suddenly I find myself stocking up on canned goods, water, and barbaric relics.

Crap. Crap crap. Crap Crap! Crap crap crap!!!

For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.

Holy. Holy cow. Holy frickin' cow. Holy frickin' cow!!!

Is that enough major issues? ;)

When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers

markm0722  posted on  2005-10-16   17:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: markm0722 (#102)

Let's see, where do I start after your rant???

I read a book called "The Devil", a history of how the Devil came to be. Now I don't belive in The Devil, nor do I really follow the bible because I think it's a tool to destroy the world, along with every other Godforsaken organized religion.

I don't belive in psychic phenomena, as I've seen far to many fucking frauds put up on TV as the real thing. Those of us who really ARE psychic should go into hiding, and use our collective powers for evil, just to get even.

I thought that Windows XP would be the best thing for me to use on my home computer.

I thought that George Bush was the better choice than either Gore or Kerry.

I thought that my government would cease to be full of morons who wanted to take my rights away, but after 6 years of this clown, I'm even more paranoid.

Living in Minneapolis for the last 4 years has made me an incredibly intolerant person, as I used to be able to suffer with the idiocy around me.

I thought that I'd have a good economic future with the republicans in office. Now I couldn't be more wrong.

I thought that illegal immigration would be a top priority after 19 illegal aliens brought down the twin towers, and part of the Pentagon.

Jesus Christ... I don't believe anything anymore. Not even when I fucking see it happening, I still don't believe it.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-10-16   17:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: markm0722 (#102)

yep, that's enough. :P

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   17:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: christine (#0)

Taking a stab at getting the thread back to your initial question.......and it isn't exactly an idea, but sort of fits.

As you know, I was a strong supporter of Alan Keyes for years.......going back to before the liar in chief's wimpy daddy's attempted second term campaign. Back in those years of listening to and reading Alan, I saw someone who was principled and well versed in the constitution.

At tos2 and fu, I was challenged on him based on my earlier feelings of support. I did have a difference with him regarding volunteer service being mandatory-- but at that point it was merely discussion. I'd never go for volunteerism that way.

And I was on the fence regarding Michael New. I was 100% in feeling Michael was correct in not defacing his uniform with the un blue shit, and felt the military let him down badly. Worse, the administration did, too....they all bowed down to making our men international soldiers.

Alan Keyes, being from a military family, kept saying soldiers have to follow orders. I agree that out on the battlefield, it is important to follow commands, to take out a gunnery nest, or whatever, and it lends to unit cohesion, blah, blah, blah......but I just wasn't convinced.

The day my mind changed was when he had the tv program on msnbc, what was it, January 2003, when he and that scumbag dertyshits were all but doing liplock over using torture. There was no disagreement over using torture, just the reasoning behind it.

I've had enough 'justifying' of evil under the guise of 'good' to last several lifetimes.

While I can thank him for having shone the light on abortion, the constitution was only words in his glorified vocabulary. :(

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   17:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: markm0722 (#102)

Ya saw the light, eh?

BTW, good rant.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   17:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: markm0722 (#102)

For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.

Sounds like you have made alot of good progress.

tom007  posted on  2005-10-16   17:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Moldi_Box, Starwind, Mekons4, crack monkey, JHoffa_, orangedog, Critter, Pissed Off Janitor, Arete, purpleman, Critter, lightmind, Kamala, JRadcliffe, Zoroaster, Axenolith, aristeides, Arator (#0)

.....

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   17:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: rowdee (#94)

Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!

Exactly. I see that you've met those of that persuasion, also.

Either that, or it just magically appeared on Mr.Guetenberg's doorstep one morning.

ID cheers up there, Dee.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   17:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: 82Marine89 (#95)

He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.

And here I thought that it was Michael Chertoff all this time...

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   17:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: rowdee (#105)

Alan Keyes

Ditto's for me with Buchanan.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-16   17:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: markm0722 (#102)

I was a stock market bull and believed that gold and silver were barbaric metals up until last summer. 25 years of history can't be wrong. I always felt it was better to own a piece of the bank than put the money in the bank. All that changed. Suddenly I find myself stocking up on canned goods, water, and barbaric relics.

Crap. Crap crap. Crap Crap! Crap crap crap!!!

For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.

Holy. Holy cow. Holy frickin' cow. Holy frickin' cow!!!

Welcome & good job with it.

(Continue to avoid the lycra, however.)

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   17:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: lodwick (#109)

Hey, you........did ya get to read those two others I did for you==I think on friday.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   18:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: lodwick (#110)

And here I thought that it was Michael Chertoff all this time...

LOL! There is a sort of ghastly (or do I mean ghostly) resemblance.

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   18:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Jethro Tull (#111)

Certainly disappointments. I think they would a been better than anything picked, but sheet............

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   18:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: robin, lodwick (#114)

LOL.........I don't have the tags set to be seen, so I haven't seen the avatar; however, the mere suggestion that it could be Chertoff is enough to make me shudder.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-16   18:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: rowdee (#105)

While I can thank him for having shone the light on abortion, the constitution was only words in his glorified vocabulary. :(

I liked him too for awhile. He gave good speeches, and at first, he did not appear to be part of the political machine.

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   18:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: christine (#0)

read my tagline

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-10-16   18:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: rowdee (#113)

I know that I got one, and Friday's too far in the past for me to remember...;- )

I will go look however, and Thank You very much.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   18:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: rowdee (#116)

You should activate the tag thingie - there is good stuff there, and for me, it kinda personalizes the poster for me.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-16   18:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#118)

yep, tis true. ;)

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   19:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: christine (#5)

Have I had a change of heart on any major issues?

no, the war is still a crock, Bush is still insane, etc...etc....

The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-10-16   19:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: christine (#0)

Hmm this is a hard one.. well maybe I've changed my mind on having extra marital affairs? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-10-16   19:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#122)

Have I had a change of heart on any major issues?

no, the war is still a crock, Bush is still insane, etc...etc....

How about wearing a peg leg? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-10-16   19:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#122)

how about a minor one? :P

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   19:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: christine (#0)

My opinion on Iraq has changed dramatically.

I used to associate an anti-war stance with moral cowardice and knee jerk, anti-patriotism..

I realize now that I have more information available about our latest conflict, and after having done some reading into others from the past, that often the reverse is actually true.

Are there people who would gleefully meet any occupying army on US soil with a white flag, regardless? Sure.. and I still hate them.

But by the same token, there's reasoned dissent, also. It's moral. It's reflective What it's not reflexive and not the least bit indicative of a hatred for the Country or it's citizens.

BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-10-16   20:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Jhoffa_ (#126)

here's one that i've changed on. i used to loathe all democrats. now i loathe all republicans. juuussss kidding. :P

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   20:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine (#89)

Yeah! I changed my tag.

I long for the days when "Go fuck yourself!" wasn't the first thought my mind could conceive.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2005-10-16   20:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Hmmmmm (#128)

lol. i know you won't be holding your breath.

Bring 'em home!

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   21:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: christine (#0)

I used to think I was just "misunderestimating" our president, but lately I've grown to realize "this is historic times" and "we're making steadfast progress."

When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers

markm0722  posted on  2005-10-16   21:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: christine (#0)

I changed my mind about my vote for Bush over 6 months ago. I see now that I helped vote the wrong man in. Mostly though, I have had a change of heart about the church. More and more, I am seeing the churches move away from God and into the greedy, it's all about money mode. Granted, there are many truly good, God worshiping churches out there, but it seems alot of the churches are all about money and wanting to get into the politics of everything now. Things have really changed since I was a kid. We went to church for one thing, to worship our Lord and give thanks. Nowadays, people go to church for financial classes, to plan vacations and hunting trips, and to look good in their community. Seems the churches are worshiping everything but God these days!

Secure our borders, save our nation!

nc_girl_speaks_up  posted on  2005-10-16   21:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: christine, all (#71)

My other change is an ongoing one. I never felt at peace in the Southern Baptist church. Two years ago, a dear friend introduced me to the Eastern Orthodox Church and it was as if all at once, all of my questions had been answered. I am not Orthodox yet. Nor am I a Baptist any longer. This is not to bash Baptists or Methodists, etc., though I have probably done that a time or three. There are still many great people of faith these churches. But these churches do not answer questions for me.

scooter  posted on  2005-10-17   2:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: nc_girl_speaks_up (#131)

Come to Asheville sometime and I will treat you to Build-More!, er (there I go again), Biltmore Baptist church which counts its members by the thousands. The church features a cafe and coffee shop. Gyms, auditoriums. Its great! You can go there and have people do your thinking for you. Mind-numbed, thoughtless Christianity. Don't forget to wear your Sunday best and pull up in nothing less than a Benz', BMW, Hummer, Acura, Caddy, or at the very least, nothing less than 3 years old.

-Or- Get this! We could go to see the Apostle Ron Carpenter preach at his church in Greenville (SC). Yes, and afterwards, take in some Starbucks Coffee in a genuine Starbucks establishment, inside the church!

How about this one. One of the Rescue "missions" in Asheville is run by a great man of God. He uses the homeless to build his home(s), do yardwork and pay them less than minimum wage (if at all) to do the work. We can then go to one of the consignment shops to buy some clothes to pay for one of his fancy cars or boats or houses!

Then there is my friend (youth pastor) near Columbia (SC) whose church barely makes ends meat, but was among the first to volunteer to take in refugees from New Orleans. They had no idea how they would do it; only that they felt like they should. In the end, they were not called upon to house people.

There is another friend who pastors a church near Raleigh who is trying to walk a delicate balance between a congregation who is elderly and doesn't want to do much and a number of younger couples who want to DO.

A pastor, friend and mentor from my college days who preaches near to me whose life's work is now focusing on and taking care of the baby boom generation: housing, care, spiritual needs, fun programs, etc.

Another pastor who left the church my in-laws go to, to make a career change to do fundraising for a local (to him) Christian College. A great man. Humble, honest, peaceful giant of a man. Not the least bit dynamic personality wise- like you would expect from someone fundraising. Very quiet and a man of few words who has never done fundraising. He loves a good joke and smiles. I don't know how, but that college will be rolling in money.

A former music minister at the church my wife and I used to go to. The man never said more than 10 words to anybody during his 5 years there. Somehow, the chior was always full. He played several instruments and always encouraged the kids to pick up and enjoy music. He was always the first to visit someone in the hospital, deliver food or prayer to a family in need. He would drop whatever he was doing in order to help someone at anytime without ever uttering one word of complaint.

scooter  posted on  2005-10-17   2:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: christine (#89)

bwahahaha....

Over the last five years, my attitudes on darned near everything have undergone an almost complete reversal and/or re-evaluation.

I worked on Reagan's campaign when I was kid. These days I won't work on anyone's political campaign because I discovered, after years of dealing with the absolute and total BS in California, that they're all scum and deserve to be run out of town.

Local people around town?

The Pubbies are turning into a pack of smug bible-thumpers who wish to personally damn anyone to eternity in an ez-bake oven who dares disagree with them while the Democrats are still "in mourning" over the last Presidential election and want to rule every single facet of my life.

Both of them agree when the facts are presented to them that "this crap cannot go on" but then they turn around and do it anyhow.

The last of the elder generation of my family is about to pass and my mom has already apologized to me for the mess I will be saddled with.

How often does that happen?

My cynicism level has reached new heights. I've discovered that I can trust people one-on-one but groups can't be trusted to figure out what they want for breakfast.

In other words: Mirage is on his own and is discovering that he likes it.

mirage  posted on  2005-10-17   2:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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