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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
Views: 6078
Comments: 177

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My mind is made up. Strong evidence could change my mind. I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   10:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.

Me too. That's probably the biggest change for me, learning about the origins and agenda of the neocons.

Also, I now have an increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda that I did not before. I was not aware of their impact and use of U.S. policies and resources to further their own.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda

Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   11:06:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.

It isn't surprising, given our MSM. Just keep reading the articles posted here. Remember, we are not speaking of all the Jews, just the fanatical element of the Likud party, whom we refer to usually as Zionists.

I see Israel's right to exist, I also see the rights of the Palestinians.

But, it is more than just what's happening "over there". There is tons of evidence about the influence of Americans (some with dual Israeli citizenship too), who have been appointed to positions of great power in the Bush administration.

For example:

Under Dov Zakheim, as Comptroller of the Pentagon, 3 $Trillion went missing. He resigned rather hurriedly.

John Negroponte, the son of a Greek shipping magnate, born in London, is head of all our 11 intelligence agencies. He is also a Jew. He was also known back in the '80s as having through the CIA, trained vicious killers in Latin/South America, who among other things, pushed nuns our of helicopters, etc.

Chertoff has automatic dual citizenship with Israel, through his mother; he of course, is Director of Homeland Security.

Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and others (all Jews, all neocons - former Trotskyites), all worked out of Dick Cheney's office. They were all involved in the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), which sought war with Iraq, 8 months before we invaded. At least some of these have dual citizenship with Israel; they will neither deny nor confirm, but they have homes and close relatives in Israel.

Now, if you are a Christian, you cannot become a citizen of Israel. Therefore, you would never be allowed inside their govt. But, as you can see, the reverse is not true.

Nine out of ten of the Russian Oligarchs are Jewish. The Russian Revolution brought many into the inner circle.

Don't take my words for these things. Search for yourself. This forum has done some of the work for you, by posting links and articles here.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:40:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   11:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.

Well, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?

BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:52:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ell, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?

BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM.

I will check out your links. I already knew about lots of jews in our government. I dont watch msm news. As for the Indians, you have a point. Since im part Indian I can stay I guess.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   12:00:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Also what academia fed you. It was all tainted.

Many Americans, from petite Dolly Parton to 6'4" James Garner (Rockford Files) are part Native American. They know it, many do not.

Being Scottish didn't keep the Scots in Scotland. The English killed or threw them out. Yet, there are no reparations for the descendents of Scotland, and they now live all over the globe, many here. I read a couple articles that claimed the Communist Chinese call this history "Sheep ate people", as further proof of evil Western Civilization.

Throughout world history forced human migrations and upheavals were rather common. We should all be more civilized by now, but it appears we are not.

I confess, I grow weary about hearing only of the trials and tribulations of one group, over and over. Up to 40 million Europeans died in WWII, but how many people know that?

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   12:10:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   12:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   12:31:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you remember that post (I can't recall who) about four weeks ago on one of those religious threads?????

It remains forever etched upon my memory:

"Who are any of you to argue with burning shrubbery".

LOL YIKES!

wbales  posted on  2005-10-16   12:35:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

that sounds like john. :P

christine  posted on  2005-10-16   12:36:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How openminded am I? Have I had a major change of view?

Yes...

Until 1998, I despised Bill Clinton as much as I now despise GWBush. (Now I simply find him mildly annoying after my dislike turned to sympathy while watching the witchhunt launched against him)

Until 1998, I admired Republican eaders. (Does blatant hypocrisy ring any bells?)

Until 1999, I considered Democrats to be(good people but) ignorant fools politically. (Now I think MOST American voters are good people but ignorant fools politically)

Until 2000, I had always voted Republican as a registered Independent. (Give me a decent GOPer candidate and I might again.)

Until 1999, I wholeheartedly believed in the father, son, and holy ghost as well as the bible. Today I see a marvelous book of fiction. (You just can't unring a bell once it's sounded off. I often wish I hadn't rung this one but wishing doesn't help)

Until 2001, I believed that America was safe from the idjits in charge. (Today I wonder WHO REALLY was behind 9-11, Oklahoma?)

Until Sept. 2005, I thought Barbara Bush was a nice person down deep. (But hell, she's happy in her hog heaven because she's never known anything worse)

Until 2001, I thought America was safe from the insanity in the rest of the world. (Childish hopes)

Until 2001, I thought Americans had enough sense NOT to give away our freedoms for psuedo security. (Patriot Act?)

Until 2003, I thought folks who believed in political conspiracies were a bit tetched. (New world order? Apocalypse Now? America sold to the highest bidder? Who shot Kennedy? Who took down the twin towers?)

IOW, I have changed all of my world views 100% in the last 8 years with one notable exception... I still think Hillary Clinton is an asshole. Clever, extremely bright, but an asshole nevertheless.

Apparently, I'm so openminded that my brains fell out and when I put them back in, my entire world view was changed...

How about you? (I didn't read ALL of the posts so if you've already answered, just point me to it)

siagiah  posted on  2005-10-17   21:42:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I still think Hillary Clinton is an asshole. Clever, extremely bright cunning, but an asshole nevertheless.

I agree, S.

Lod  posted on  2005-10-18   9:02:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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