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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
Views: 5955
Comments: 177

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#2. To: christine (#0)

My mind is made up. Strong evidence could change my mind. I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   10:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.

Me too. That's probably the biggest change for me, learning about the origins and agenda of the neocons.

Also, I now have an increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda that I did not before. I was not aware of their impact and use of U.S. policies and resources to further their own.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda

Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   11:06:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.

It isn't surprising, given our MSM. Just keep reading the articles posted here. Remember, we are not speaking of all the Jews, just the fanatical element of the Likud party, whom we refer to usually as Zionists.

I see Israel's right to exist, I also see the rights of the Palestinians.

But, it is more than just what's happening "over there". There is tons of evidence about the influence of Americans (some with dual Israeli citizenship too), who have been appointed to positions of great power in the Bush administration.

For example:

Under Dov Zakheim, as Comptroller of the Pentagon, 3 $Trillion went missing. He resigned rather hurriedly.

John Negroponte, the son of a Greek shipping magnate, born in London, is head of all our 11 intelligence agencies. He is also a Jew. He was also known back in the '80s as having through the CIA, trained vicious killers in Latin/South America, who among other things, pushed nuns our of helicopters, etc.

Chertoff has automatic dual citizenship with Israel, through his mother; he of course, is Director of Homeland Security.

Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and others (all Jews, all neocons - former Trotskyites), all worked out of Dick Cheney's office. They were all involved in the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), which sought war with Iraq, 8 months before we invaded. At least some of these have dual citizenship with Israel; they will neither deny nor confirm, but they have homes and close relatives in Israel.

Now, if you are a Christian, you cannot become a citizen of Israel. Therefore, you would never be allowed inside their govt. But, as you can see, the reverse is not true.

Nine out of ten of the Russian Oligarchs are Jewish. The Russian Revolution brought many into the inner circle.

Don't take my words for these things. Search for yourself. This forum has done some of the work for you, by posting links and articles here.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:40:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   11:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.

Well, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?

BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:52:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ell, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?

BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM.

I will check out your links. I already knew about lots of jews in our government. I dont watch msm news. As for the Indians, you have a point. Since im part Indian I can stay I guess.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   12:00:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Also what academia fed you. It was all tainted.

Many Americans, from petite Dolly Parton to 6'4" James Garner (Rockford Files) are part Native American. They know it, many do not.

Being Scottish didn't keep the Scots in Scotland. The English killed or threw them out. Yet, there are no reparations for the descendents of Scotland, and they now live all over the globe, many here. I read a couple articles that claimed the Communist Chinese call this history "Sheep ate people", as further proof of evil Western Civilization.

Throughout world history forced human migrations and upheavals were rather common. We should all be more civilized by now, but it appears we are not.

I confess, I grow weary about hearing only of the trials and tribulations of one group, over and over. Up to 40 million Europeans died in WWII, but how many people know that?

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   12:10:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   12:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

Yes I do.

Are you familiar with this verse?

Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous?

And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland!

Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay?

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   12:29:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous?

Very presumptuous.

I am a spiritual person, but do not subscribe to any 'organized' religion. I think they all have some 'good' to offer and in that they are universal. But I have to say IMO religions in the 'organized' sense are an invention of man, to divide us and wield power over us, by saying they have the secrets to everlasting life and our souls. Pretty scary. Nothing more.

You wonder why these folks aren't defending the innocent Iraqis and still call themselves men of 'god'? Probably because they aren't. They are power hungry evil humans - tis all. I wouldn't even call for the asassination of Bush...wishing death on anyone is wrong imo, but robertson sure has been doing alot of condemning lately hasn't he? In fact - isn't that all he does? Is he ever tolerant and accepting? I don't think so, and I can't say I've met many fundamentalists who are non-judgemental and all loving.

buffycat  posted on  2005-10-18   17:38:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#169. To: buffycat (#168)

No need to worry about Robertson, his voice is the voice of the International Jew...and they're in crises mode at the moment. Organized Jewry is more of a direct threat than organized religion.

Eoghan  posted on  2005-10-18 17:47:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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