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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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#41. To: wbales, gengis gandhi (#40)
that sounds like john. :P
I believe its Gods word. I dont understand how the Bible controls little people. It calls us to a higher standard. I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
The KJVersion of the Word, which so many folks believe to be the inerrant Word, directly from God to man, has a most interesting history about it.
Its been attacked for centuries. And its still around.
yes, I understand King James was a tyrant.
What was it that changed your mind. Do you now believe we evolved. Or do you still believe in God just not the Bible?
Zionists, Israel Firsters and so forth.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Yes of course. Israel has existed since 1948, that's old news. I already told you I believe Israel has a right to exist. There is other land, outside Israel, that should belong to the Palestinians. They are living there now, but under Israel's unkind thumb. That the Palestinians do not have a homeland is a cause of great concern in the Arab world. In 1967, Israelis moved into Gaza. They just left last month. It was not part of the Balfour deal. BTW, have you read anything on USS Liberty? On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters[2] in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.[3] Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap[7] . Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification: a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10]
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Perhaps.
whose version? then there's the infamous Cyrus Schofield-- Cyrus Scofield and the subversion of modern Christianity.
Me too. I voted for
I believe that the land the bible describes as giving to the jews for eternity is much larger then what they now occupy. That includes the gaza strip and parts of egypt. Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
I totally agree with you. I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
Yes I [k]now about the US[S] liberty!?! But not a whole lot, eh?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
The schofiled bible is a fake in my opinion. Their footnotes are meant to change the meaning of the bible. A thought from your link......Satan is counterfitting Jesus's plan. Thats why it is similar.
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Notice the date of the attack? Here's one explanation by Eric S. Margolis. The attack on 'Liberty' was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag. Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because 'Liberty's' intercepts flatly contradicted Israel's claim, made at the war's beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel's massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces. Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel's offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when 'Liberty' appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel's claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by 'Liberty.' Most significant, 'Liberty's' intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I dont think any bible will do. Perhaps more then the king james version has truth in it. For an extreme example......I dont think the satanic bible would work.
There are versions?!? VERSIONS, you say?!? I'm sunk. ALAS. I'm lost.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I dont think so.
lol - I hadn't thought of that one...
Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you - we just won't mind our own damn business. Partly it's greed, and partly naivete, and partly that very human desire to control the world for the"good of others' that crops up every now and then in powerful people and nations. The hardest thing seems to be to just let people develop at their own pace, if they will at all, as long as they don't attack us. I have dreams of things I'd like to see us do in this country, and one of those dreams is to have the President - no, not this buffoon pretending to be POTUS, but a REAL President - initiate a program or contest to find and develop new sources of energy - an initiative the way the space program was in the 50s and 60s. But our system is so tied into oil that we can't even save ourselves for greed and short sightedness. Of course the whole thing in Iraq is obscene. What can I say? The sight of children with their limbs blown off, well, it brings tears to my eyes and there is NO justification for it. None. Michael Savage is crazy, frankly. He says some things that I agree with, but he just goes too far, and I think he thinks he's some kind of biblical prophet. He's gone over the edge. I'm surprised the Islamics haven't declared a Jihad on him. For all I dislike the Islamics, and to be honest - I do for a number of reasons, including their treatment of women, I have to say that we don't comment on the violence that they DON'T instigate for such a large group of people. Yes, there are crazies - lone crazies, and crazies in groups, but how could it be otherwise, with such a large number of people? But Savage is still walking around spewing his venom, and non of the neo-cons have been killed, and as far as I know there have been no serious attempts on POTUS and nothing's been blown up over here. I don't know if the violence I've seen directed against the trains of Europe is much more than something the old Bader Meinhof gang or some of the commies of old Europe would have done.
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no."
Perhaps the jail library has a tome on constitutional law. Check it out.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
At least some of them are. They kept their religious customs and traditions.
Jail library....why Driving is a right and I've already won several times. They are chicken shit of a jury trial.
your experience mirrors mine exactly.
The promise was to future generations also.
Perhaps you may assist me. As is my God given right, I want to practice micro- neurosurgery and I keep getting harrassed about some license crap. I'm pissed.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
The United Nations screwd up in 1947/48 when they established Israel. While I definitely sympathize with any group of people who have been the object of genocide, such as the Jews, or Armenians, etc, to establish a country out of guilt, while there are millions of people already living there, just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. It's not practical, it never was. I don't know what the solution to European Jewry was as I understand they would be reluctant to return to lands where they were under such massive attack during the war, but on the other hand, just sticking them in Palestine and calling it Israel doesn't seem to be a great idea either. Zionism seems to be a short lived proposition to me as how can the Israelis maintain their country in the midst of such massive hostility and growing numbers of enemies? I've always said - you can't fight demographics. Maybe we should have sent them to Borneo.
You should be allowed to do that. If you have anyone who wants you to do it its between you and them. We live in tyranny so you will have to take your chances.
Without some level of certification how are we going to know if someone is minimally qualified to perform various functions - such as driving, or brain surgery? I know that the certification doesn't guarantee GOOD driving or successful brain surgery or whatever, but hopefully it confers a minimum standard.
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no." The promise was to future generations also. Chapter and verse, if you please.
Yes I [k]now about the US[S] liberty!?! But not a whole lot, eh? There is NO CONCLUSIVE proof that it was attacked intentionally. Maybe they did attack on purpose. It's still speculation.
On that day, God made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Gigashites and Yevusites." (Genesis 15:18-21)
It was ordered to be left unprotected and sunk...LBJ said he wanted that "G.D" ship on the bottom.
Who is Israel? The Mystery of the Gentiles The Apostle Paul identifed the Corinthians to whom he wrote his first epistle as descendants of the Israelites who departed Egypt and traversed the wilderness with Moses: “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that ALL OUR FATHERS WERE UNDER THE CLOUD, AND ALL PASSED THROUGH THE SEA....” 1 Corinthians 10:1 Paul identifed these same Corinthians as gentiles: “Ye know that YE WERE GENTILES, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.” 1 Corinthians 12:2 Was Paul confused, double minded – or did he know something that most Christians today do not know? The Mystery of the Gentiles challenges conventional thinking concerning the identity of the principal players in the Bible and the nations in the world today. Those who are unafraid to go wherever biblical truth may lead them are in for an eye-opening adventure. In Acts 26 the Apostle Paul asked King Agrippa, “Believest thou the prophets?” In The Mystery of the Gentiles, the same question will be asked of you – and if your answer is yes, you will embark upon an exciting journey toward the undeniable conclusion to a mystery that could forever impact your life. Also, Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government Theological error always comes before political error. Most, if not all, of our nation's political error is a result of theological error taught in our pulpits. The creator's order of creation put mankind second in command. Governments are a latter creation and are either righteous or evil, depending upon the spiritual condition of the creators. Political correctness is dependent on theological correctness. Theological and political error has put our nation at great risk. Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government is timely since we still have an opportunity to influence the future. Our nation's founders taught a more correct theology than we hear today. My hope and prayer is that this book will be read by many of our countrymen. M.J. "Red" Beckman "Under every government the dernier resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens." Anonymous Framer of U.S. Constitution, Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
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#42. To: christine (#37)
#43. To: christine (#37)
I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
#44. To: lodwick (#43)
The KJVersion of the Word
#45. To: lodwick (#43)
#46. To: christine (#37)
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land.
#49. To: wbales (#47)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe its Gods word.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Nero Bush in 2000. Was working hard to convince others of the same. Vote Republican and everything will be okay! Today I am working just as hard to convince people to see things as freedom v tyranny. By any measuring stick you want to use, Republicans have had the House and Senate now for 11 years and the White House for almost 5; to rephrase President Reagan, are you any more free today than you were 4 years ago, 10 years ago? I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations. Breathing, perhaps. Thought.... well, Congress is quickly working on that one.
#52. To: robin (#48)
#53. To: scooter (#51)
I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
#55. To: A K A Stone, christine, everyone here (#46)
Great thread, Christine - thank you.
#56. To: christine (#50)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#59. To: lodwick (#55)
believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
#60. To: christine (#50)
whose version?
#61. To: wbales (#57)
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Learn more about the USSLiberty -
#63. To: A K A Stone (#59)
I dont think the satanic bible would work.
#64. To: lodwick (#62)
#65. To: robin (#16)
#66. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#67. To: wbales (#66)
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
#68. To: A K A Stone (#53)
I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
#69. To: wbales (#66)
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
#70. To: wbales (#68)
#71. To: scooter (#51)
#72. To: Enderby (#67)
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no."
#73. To: A K A Stone (#70)
why Driving is a right and I've already won several times. They are chicken shit of a jury trial.
#74. To: robin (#24)
#75. To: wbales (#73)
#76. To: A K A Stone (#75)
#77. To: A K A Stone (#72)
o: Enderby
#78. To: wbales (#54)
Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
#79. To: Enderby (#77)
#80. To: A K A Stone (#78)
There is NO CONCLUSIVE proof that it was attacked intentionally.
#81. To: A K A Stone (#7)
He gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
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