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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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Comments: 177

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#2. To: christine (#0)

My mind is made up. Strong evidence could change my mind. I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   10:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.

Me too. That's probably the biggest change for me, learning about the origins and agenda of the neocons.

Also, I now have an increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda that I did not before. I was not aware of their impact and use of U.S. policies and resources to further their own.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda

Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16   11:06:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.

It isn't surprising, given our MSM. Just keep reading the articles posted here. Remember, we are not speaking of all the Jews, just the fanatical element of the Likud party, whom we refer to usually as Zionists.

I see Israel's right to exist, I also see the rights of the Palestinians.

But, it is more than just what's happening "over there". There is tons of evidence about the influence of Americans (some with dual Israeli citizenship too), who have been appointed to positions of great power in the Bush administration.

For example:

Under Dov Zakheim, as Comptroller of the Pentagon, 3 $Trillion went missing. He resigned rather hurriedly.

John Negroponte, the son of a Greek shipping magnate, born in London, is head of all our 11 intelligence agencies. He is also a Jew. He was also known back in the '80s as having through the CIA, trained vicious killers in Latin/South America, who among other things, pushed nuns our of helicopters, etc.

Chertoff has automatic dual citizenship with Israel, through his mother; he of course, is Director of Homeland Security.

Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and others (all Jews, all neocons - former Trotskyites), all worked out of Dick Cheney's office. They were all involved in the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), which sought war with Iraq, 8 months before we invaded. At least some of these have dual citizenship with Israel; they will neither deny nor confirm, but they have homes and close relatives in Israel.

Now, if you are a Christian, you cannot become a citizen of Israel. Therefore, you would never be allowed inside their govt. But, as you can see, the reverse is not true.

Nine out of ten of the Russian Oligarchs are Jewish. The Russian Revolution brought many into the inner circle.

Don't take my words for these things. Search for yourself. This forum has done some of the work for you, by posting links and articles here.

robin  posted on  2005-10-16   11:40:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#12. To: robin (#8)

I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-10-16 11:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

While I have always been a supporter of Israel, and in general I like the Jews - I really think most Jewish people are fine and are not trying to take over anything - it's obvious that there is a coterie of extremist Jews around the White House who have been manipulating that imbecile Bush into doing things to protect or help Israel. The collection of Jewish names, and that they pretty much have uniformly supported this obscene war, inevitably leads to questions about their agenda, and their loyalty to THIS country rather than to Israel. As Christ observed, you can't serve two masters.

I do think that people overblow the influence and impact of the Jews. It's unfortunate that this particular coterie of extremists have manipuulated our govt in such a way that it brings suspicion on the Jews in general. Americans are not a hateful or suspicious people, but we're not that dumb either. The difficulty is how to note this problem - of our govt and its policies being manipulated to help Israel, by a combination group of extreme Zionists and Christian fundamentalists - while dodging the tag of "anti-semite". I'm hardly an anti-semite - I have a great deal of respect for the Jews. But we can't let any group of people bend our government to the will of a foreign power whether they be Jews, Chinese, Germans, Abyssinians or whatever.

I have to admit though, I can't really support the Palestinians or the Muslim Arabs in general as I think they're largely a bunch of violent a-holes. Even the ones I've met personally are not people I'd really want to be friends with. I think most Muslims really DO look down on Christians and the West and I DO think they'd like to see our destruction even if they don't directly participate in it. I know part of this results from our behavior towards them, but I think part of it is also pure chauvinism and prejudice.

My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business.

mehitable  posted on  2005-10-16 11:51:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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