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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Perhaps we really should send more money to Israel every year. (Just kidding.) Seriously, though, I thought St. Louis would beat Houston in four. A change of heart has occurred. As to anything political, my previous opinions and positions are merely becoming re-inforced and stronger by the day.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
My mind is made up. Strong evidence could change my mind. I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.
Me too. That's probably the biggest change for me, learning about the origins and agenda of the neocons. Also, I now have an increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda that I did not before. I was not aware of their impact and use of U.S. policies and resources to further their own.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.
ping!
Can God give me some land? I would like some land. How do I sign up for that program?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
He gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
It isn't surprising, given our MSM. Just keep reading the articles posted here. Remember, we are not speaking of all the Jews, just the fanatical element of the Likud party, whom we refer to usually as Zionists. I see Israel's right to exist, I also see the rights of the Palestinians. But, it is more than just what's happening "over there". There is tons of evidence about the influence of Americans (some with dual Israeli citizenship too), who have been appointed to positions of great power in the Bush administration. For example: John Negroponte, the son of a Greek shipping magnate, born in London, is head of all our 11 intelligence agencies. He is also a Jew. He was also known back in the '80s as having through the CIA, trained vicious killers in Latin/South America, who among other things, pushed nuns our of helicopters, etc. Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and others (all Jews, all neocons - former Trotskyites), all worked out of Dick Cheney's office. They were all involved in the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), which sought war with Iraq, 8 months before we invaded. At least some of these have dual citizenship with Israel; they will neither deny nor confirm, but they have homes and close relatives in Israel. Now, if you are a Christian, you cannot become a citizen of Israel. Therefore, you would never be allowed inside their govt. But, as you can see, the reverse is not true. Don't take my words for these things. Search for yourself. This forum has done some of the work for you, by posting links and articles here.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
For may part, I have been angered, no, incensed, no, just plain pissed off about the way the US War-in-Error has been engaged and fought. But I am willing to entertain the notion that by opposing it I am playing into the hands of those that do not want to see a US "success" in Iraq and that "those" are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place. George Bush, I sense, is about to be demonized, and while I believe that few have earned it the way he has, I also have the feeling that he was elected to be the sacificial goat. Why prosecute a costly war when the aim has been achieved? That aim is to create controlled and useful chaos. Chaos that may be channelled here and channelled there when the time is right. Now comes the hour to begin deconstructing Bush. Out come the Watergate analogies on the talking head shows. Out come the network "Specials" that remind us all what vampires are bred on the Right in America. And they will trundle out the black-and-white remains of Joe McCarthy to frighten the little children with. Does anyone else smell what I smell? Sometimes, I think that, as much as I hate being made a fool of by the folks in charge at the moment, I quite as much hate doing the work of their opponents who we know give a damn about either the Republic or our Liberties. Maybe it's time for patriots to STFU and keep their eyes open.
Does not the Bible say that the meek shall inherit the Earth? That sounds just as legally binding as any promises to the Israelis.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S. Burroughs
I've wondered about that too, he is so incompetent and such a fool. But, I disagree with you that "Maybe it's time for patriots to STFU and keep their eyes open.". All the more reason to expose and talk about EVERYthing, IMO. When this administration leaves, it will probably have destroyed the GOP. Was that one of the goals, to have a bunch of neocons hijack the party and destroy it?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.
basically, just write it down, bury it, dig it up later. you can have all my shit then, i promise....god sez so.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
While I have always been a supporter of Israel, and in general I like the Jews - I really think most Jewish people are fine and are not trying to take over anything - it's obvious that there is a coterie of extremist Jews around the White House who have been manipulating that imbecile Bush into doing things to protect or help Israel. The collection of Jewish names, and that they pretty much have uniformly supported this obscene war, inevitably leads to questions about their agenda, and their loyalty to THIS country rather than to Israel. As Christ observed, you can't serve two masters. I do think that people overblow the influence and impact of the Jews. It's unfortunate that this particular coterie of extremists have manipuulated our govt in such a way that it brings suspicion on the Jews in general. Americans are not a hateful or suspicious people, but we're not that dumb either. The difficulty is how to note this problem - of our govt and its policies being manipulated to help Israel, by a combination group of extreme Zionists and Christian fundamentalists - while dodging the tag of "anti-semite". I'm hardly an anti-semite - I have a great deal of respect for the Jews. But we can't let any group of people bend our government to the will of a foreign power whether they be Jews, Chinese, Germans, Abyssinians or whatever. I have to admit though, I can't really support the Palestinians or the Muslim Arabs in general as I think they're largely a bunch of violent a-holes. Even the ones I've met personally are not people I'd really want to be friends with. I think most Muslims really DO look down on Christians and the West and I DO think they'd like to see our destruction even if they don't directly participate in it. I know part of this results from our behavior towards them, but I think part of it is also pure chauvinism and prejudice. My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business.
Well, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever? BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I agree. Check the embedded links in my post for more info though. The neocons do indeed have an agenda. I have to admit though, I can't really support the Palestinians or the Muslim Arabs in general as I think they're largely a bunch of violent a-holes. Even the ones I've met personally are not people I'd really want to be friends with. I think most Muslims really DO look down on Christians and the West and I DO think they'd like to see our destruction even if they don't directly participate in it. I know part of this results from our behavior towards them, but I think part of it is also pure chauvinism and prejudice. Just the Muslim attitude regarding women is enough for me. But, that hardly qualifies them for genocide, which is what is happening in Iraq, IMO. And, it is what Michael Savage(Wiener) called for publicly over the airwaves. A Jewish coworker heard it and told me about it; he was stunned. My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business. Probably, but with our current dependence on foreign oil, whatever percentage, the govt won't leave it alone. There are good alternative solutions, that are now, at $3.00/gal viable.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Sure, I believe the Bible. And the Bible tells me that God did indeed agree that some Middle Eastern real estate would belong to the descendants of Abraham, as part of a covenant relationship. A covenant requires keeping by both sides, and it has quite famously not been kept on one side. So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all. I also see in the Bible (which I, of course, believe) that God has frequently used other peoples -- Gentiles -- to severely discipline the errant children of Abraham. So, who are we to attempt to interfere in divine discipline? Finally, I see nothing in the Scriptures (which I, of course, believe) to support the idea that hundreds of thousands of young Gentiles shold be sent halfway around the world to kill and die in order to enforce the will of skullcap-wearing murderers, or the notion that Gentiles such as myself should be heavily taxed by their rulers in order to send multiple billions of dollars annually to facilitate God's will being done. My reading of the Bible (which I, of course, believe) assures me that God's will is always done, entirely without the help of the U.S. Infernal Revenue "Service," or the Department of "Defense."
Man, I think you really nailed it on the head. BTW: robin, what do you think about the results of this famous google search? >http://www.google.com/search? hl=en&q=failure&btnG=Google+Search Notice the first item in the search Isn't one of those snots that helped Bremer run Iraq head of Google now? I have mercifully forgotten his name.
BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM. I will check out your links. I already knew about lots of jews in our government. I dont watch msm news. As for the Indians, you have a point. Since im part Indian I can stay I guess.
Amen. I fear our camel is to be sacrificed on the altar of globalism, however.
"failure" LOL!!!
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Thanks for the link. I want to know more on this subject. My main problems are that hitler hated the zionists, and God promised the land to the jews.
Also what academia fed you. It was all tainted. Many Americans, from petite Dolly Parton to 6'4" James Garner (Rockford Files) are part Native American. They know it, many do not. Being Scottish didn't keep the Scots in Scotland. The English killed or threw them out. Yet, there are no reparations for the descendents of Scotland, and they now live all over the globe, many here. I read a couple articles that claimed the Communist Chinese call this history "Sheep ate people", as further proof of evil Western Civilization. Throughout world history forced human migrations and upheavals were rather common. We should all be more civilized by now, but it appears we are not. I confess, I grow weary about hearing only of the trials and tribulations of one group, over and over. Up to 40 million Europeans died in WWII, but how many people know that?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Change of heart? Not really...I find myself paying less and less attention to so-called 'major issues' because it is too difficult to ascertain the truth anymore. I'll tend to my own affairs, till my garden, care for my wife and pets, and when 'they' come for me; that will be that.
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here. Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense.
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
Hang in there with us.
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Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Can there be something in there that after I take possession of all your stuff that I can get the American treasury to pay for the upkeep and security thereon? God says your house is mine and I want God to order Uncle Sam to make the mortgage payments, too. That seems fair and righteous and should be part of the deal.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense. I have heard that myself. Perhaps the UN creation of Israel was satans plan for deception. Im not sure yet.
well said. i don't believe these folks are the ones with
whom God made that covenant (if, in fact, that covenant was ever made).
hey, why not? if i'm alive or in this country in ten years, sure.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
Why? You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know. And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. If you are not already in Israel, El-Al has daily non-stops out of New York.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. Perhaps your right about the zionists. Im truly not sure. As for the UN creating israel, that is troubling. But god also lets things happen in the natural. I don't want to go to israel. Also dont consider this as an attack on you. Im just looking to find out the truth.
Yes I do. Are you familiar with this verse? Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
Does anybody? Well, it has just been ordained that I am getting gengis gandhi's property but I want more. Lots more. Perhaps I should try filing a Bible passage claim to land at my local courthouse. Does this work for automobiles, too? HHMMM.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay? Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land. I dont think God needs Pat Robertson or anyone to fulfill his prophecy. (im not a Pat Robertson fan.) Falwell and Robertson don't speak out because they probably arent christians. However I dont consider Palestineans homeland to be israel.
Do you remember that post (I can't recall who) about four weeks ago on one of those religious threads????? It remains forever etched upon my memory: "Who are any of you to argue with burning shrubbery". LOL YIKES!
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
that sounds like john. :P
I believe its Gods word. I dont understand how the Bible controls little people. It calls us to a higher standard. I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
The KJVersion of the Word, which so many folks believe to be the inerrant Word, directly from God to man, has a most interesting history about it.
Its been attacked for centuries. And its still around.
yes, I understand King James was a tyrant.
What was it that changed your mind. Do you now believe we evolved. Or do you still believe in God just not the Bible?
Zionists, Israel Firsters and so forth.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Yes of course. Israel has existed since 1948, that's old news. I already told you I believe Israel has a right to exist. There is other land, outside Israel, that should belong to the Palestinians. They are living there now, but under Israel's unkind thumb. That the Palestinians do not have a homeland is a cause of great concern in the Arab world. In 1967, Israelis moved into Gaza. They just left last month. It was not part of the Balfour deal. BTW, have you read anything on USS Liberty? On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters[2] in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.[3] Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap[7] . Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification: a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10]
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Perhaps.
whose version? then there's the infamous Cyrus Schofield-- Cyrus Scofield and the subversion of modern Christianity.
Me too. I voted for
I believe that the land the bible describes as giving to the jews for eternity is much larger then what they now occupy. That includes the gaza strip and parts of egypt. Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
I totally agree with you. I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
Yes I [k]now about the US[S] liberty!?! But not a whole lot, eh?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
The schofiled bible is a fake in my opinion. Their footnotes are meant to change the meaning of the bible. A thought from your link......Satan is counterfitting Jesus's plan. Thats why it is similar.
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Notice the date of the attack? Here's one explanation by Eric S. Margolis. The attack on 'Liberty' was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag. Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because 'Liberty's' intercepts flatly contradicted Israel's claim, made at the war's beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel's massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces. Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel's offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when 'Liberty' appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel's claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by 'Liberty.' Most significant, 'Liberty's' intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I dont think any bible will do. Perhaps more then the king james version has truth in it. For an extreme example......I dont think the satanic bible would work.
There are versions?!? VERSIONS, you say?!? I'm sunk. ALAS. I'm lost.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I dont think so.
lol - I hadn't thought of that one...
Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you - we just won't mind our own damn business. Partly it's greed, and partly naivete, and partly that very human desire to control the world for the"good of others' that crops up every now and then in powerful people and nations. The hardest thing seems to be to just let people develop at their own pace, if they will at all, as long as they don't attack us. I have dreams of things I'd like to see us do in this country, and one of those dreams is to have the President - no, not this buffoon pretending to be POTUS, but a REAL President - initiate a program or contest to find and develop new sources of energy - an initiative the way the space program was in the 50s and 60s. But our system is so tied into oil that we can't even save ourselves for greed and short sightedness. Of course the whole thing in Iraq is obscene. What can I say? The sight of children with their limbs blown off, well, it brings tears to my eyes and there is NO justification for it. None. Michael Savage is crazy, frankly. He says some things that I agree with, but he just goes too far, and I think he thinks he's some kind of biblical prophet. He's gone over the edge. I'm surprised the Islamics haven't declared a Jihad on him. For all I dislike the Islamics, and to be honest - I do for a number of reasons, including their treatment of women, I have to say that we don't comment on the violence that they DON'T instigate for such a large group of people. Yes, there are crazies - lone crazies, and crazies in groups, but how could it be otherwise, with such a large number of people? But Savage is still walking around spewing his venom, and non of the neo-cons have been killed, and as far as I know there have been no serious attempts on POTUS and nothing's been blown up over here. I don't know if the violence I've seen directed against the trains of Europe is much more than something the old Bader Meinhof gang or some of the commies of old Europe would have done.
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no."
Perhaps the jail library has a tome on constitutional law. Check it out.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
At least some of them are. They kept their religious customs and traditions.
Jail library....why Driving is a right and I've already won several times. They are chicken shit of a jury trial.
your experience mirrors mine exactly.
The promise was to future generations also.
Perhaps you may assist me. As is my God given right, I want to practice micro- neurosurgery and I keep getting harrassed about some license crap. I'm pissed.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
The United Nations screwd up in 1947/48 when they established Israel. While I definitely sympathize with any group of people who have been the object of genocide, such as the Jews, or Armenians, etc, to establish a country out of guilt, while there are millions of people already living there, just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. It's not practical, it never was. I don't know what the solution to European Jewry was as I understand they would be reluctant to return to lands where they were under such massive attack during the war, but on the other hand, just sticking them in Palestine and calling it Israel doesn't seem to be a great idea either. Zionism seems to be a short lived proposition to me as how can the Israelis maintain their country in the midst of such massive hostility and growing numbers of enemies? I've always said - you can't fight demographics. Maybe we should have sent them to Borneo.
You should be allowed to do that. If you have anyone who wants you to do it its between you and them. We live in tyranny so you will have to take your chances.
Without some level of certification how are we going to know if someone is minimally qualified to perform various functions - such as driving, or brain surgery? I know that the certification doesn't guarantee GOOD driving or successful brain surgery or whatever, but hopefully it confers a minimum standard.
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no." The promise was to future generations also. Chapter and verse, if you please.
Yes I [k]now about the US[S] liberty!?! But not a whole lot, eh? There is NO CONCLUSIVE proof that it was attacked intentionally. Maybe they did attack on purpose. It's still speculation.
On that day, God made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Gigashites and Yevusites." (Genesis 15:18-21)
It was ordered to be left unprotected and sunk...LBJ said he wanted that "G.D" ship on the bottom.
Who is Israel? The Mystery of the Gentiles The Apostle Paul identifed the Corinthians to whom he wrote his first epistle as descendants of the Israelites who departed Egypt and traversed the wilderness with Moses: “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that ALL OUR FATHERS WERE UNDER THE CLOUD, AND ALL PASSED THROUGH THE SEA....” 1 Corinthians 10:1 Paul identifed these same Corinthians as gentiles: “Ye know that YE WERE GENTILES, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.” 1 Corinthians 12:2 Was Paul confused, double minded – or did he know something that most Christians today do not know? The Mystery of the Gentiles challenges conventional thinking concerning the identity of the principal players in the Bible and the nations in the world today. Those who are unafraid to go wherever biblical truth may lead them are in for an eye-opening adventure. In Acts 26 the Apostle Paul asked King Agrippa, “Believest thou the prophets?” In The Mystery of the Gentiles, the same question will be asked of you – and if your answer is yes, you will embark upon an exciting journey toward the undeniable conclusion to a mystery that could forever impact your life. Also, Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government Theological error always comes before political error. Most, if not all, of our nation's political error is a result of theological error taught in our pulpits. The creator's order of creation put mankind second in command. Governments are a latter creation and are either righteous or evil, depending upon the spiritual condition of the creators. Political correctness is dependent on theological correctness. Theological and political error has put our nation at great risk. Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government is timely since we still have an opportunity to influence the future. Our nation's founders taught a more correct theology than we hear today. My hope and prayer is that this book will be read by many of our countrymen. M.J. "Red" Beckman "Under every government the dernier resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens." Anonymous Framer of U.S. Constitution, Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
The Arabs are chidren of Abraham also. The quote would be true even if a single Jewish person did not live in the Middle East.
"Louisiana is a city that is largely underwater" -- Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security
The antidote to Michael Savage Runs the same time slot as Savage. But you can hear the archives anytime.
"Louisiana is a city that is largely underwater" -- Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security
On that day, God made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Gigashites and Yevusites." (Genesis 15:18-21) And just who are the descendants of whom the passagee speaks? And wasn't the gift, in fact, given in the book of Joshua? (And, by the way, I think it's "Hittites," not "Chitties" -- although they might, in fact, get a little chitty every now and then.) Before answering, you might want to consider Matthew 3:9, which says (John the Baptist speaking): ... and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, "We have Abraham for our father;" for I say to you, that God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham. You might also want to consider Romans 10 and 11 -- the whole chapters.
Read for yourself what the survivors have to say. http://ussliberty.org/ And if you've a mind to do your due diligence in this you will also find where one of the Israeli pilots broke off the attack when he realized the ship was American, and was court martialed for it later by the IDF. This pilot has recently visited the U.S. and apologized personally to the survivors. His story alone is proof that the attack was a premeditated war crime on a ship of the United States Navy in international waters. We should have bombed the hell out of them back then and the world would be better off today. The ONLY reason it was NOT done was because of TREASON at the highest levels. Even jets launched twice by the USS Saratoga were recalled both times, once on the direct orders of LBJ.
"Under every government the dernier resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens." Anonymous Framer of U.S. Constitution, Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
I have to admit I've been feeling the same way about the Bible lately.
I believe all religions are man's feeble attempts to understand God, there's probably varying amounts of truth to all of them. I do believe in God but I believe God is something beyond our comprehension while our souls reside in our earthly bodies. I believe after we die our souls go on to another dimension.
Howard Storm's My Descent into Death is the best book I've ever read about what will happen to our souls.
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hey, diane, i didn't ping you because i thought you were off the net. good to see you here.
It's too bad you didn't hear Alex Jones' interview of the ship's doctor, whose name slips my mind at the moment, a few months ago. There is conclusive proof. LBJ's own words for one example, as a matter of fact.
Not so much issues, but political philosophies. I have been a registered Republican for 23 years. Before that, I was a Young Republican for three. In June of this year I changed my party affiliation to Independent because I felt my party left me. They are no longer the party of smaller, less intrusive government, but the party of drunken, irresponsible spending. My views have not changed one iota, the parties has.
After having done a bit of reflecting on the history of the party, I don't think it's changed. I think the GOP has always been about conserving their own wealth and power. I think what's changed is that they now have an administration who openly flaunts it and our eyes have been opened to it. Now, is there anything that you have learned about an issue that you previously had a very strong opinion about that has influenced you to change your mind? Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?
Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai! LOL....
He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it. As for my opinions, none have changed. I am still staunchly against global welfare, illegal immigration, affirmative action, and government involvement in anything not enumerated in the Constitution. There might be some ancillary issues that I have changed on, but the major ones have not changed.
About the land........God said He owned all the land and that he was giving this area to the Israelites. But it didn't and doesn't stop there.....there was a wee little word attached to the POSSESSION of the land. That little word was IF. After the IF word, there were several others that suggested the Israelites had to conform to his commandments, statutes, and laws. For modern day christians to think they can help God shows their ignorance. He doesn't need anyones help....especially a bunch of busybodies who need to be looking in their own
I’ve begun burning bridges with folks who refuse to educate themselves on the important issues facing us. By remaining rigid to their positions, despite factual rebuttal, they become part of the problem. They have to be walked around and left behind, despite the relationship.
He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it. Uh... No it's not. It's Boris Karloff from THE MUMMY.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)
I voted for the Nazi Bush in 2000. Was a republican. Despise them now.
#4. To: robin (#3)
increasing awareness about the Zionist agenda
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#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
I always thought God gave the land to the Jews.
#7. To: wbales (#6)
Can God give me some land? I would like some land. How do I sign up for that program?
#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: wbales (#6)
Can God give me some land? I would like some land. How do I sign up for that program?
#11. To: randge (#9)
George Bush, I sense, is about to be demonized, and while I believe that few have earned it the way he has, I also have the feeling that he was elected to be the sacificial goat.
#12. To: robin (#8)
#13. To: wbales (#6)
#14. To: robin (#8)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#12)
I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.
#16. To: mehitable (#14)
in general I like the Jews - I really think most Jewish people are fine and are not trying to take over anything - it's obvious that there is a coterie of extremist Jews around the White House who have been manipulating that imbecile Bush into doing things to protect or help Israel. The collection of Jewish names, and that they pretty much have uniformly supported this obscene war, inevitably leads to questions about their agenda, and their loyalty to THIS country rather than to Israel. As Christ observed, you can't serve two masters.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Go here for more information on Jews, Zionism, and the "state" of Israel -
#18. To: A K A Stone (#7)
He gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
#19. To: robin (#11)
Was that one of the goals, to have a bunch of neocons hijack the party and destroy it?
#20. To: robin (#15)
ell, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?
#21. To: mehitable (#14)
My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business.
#22. To: randge (#19)
#23. To: lodwick (#17)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#25. To: christine (#0)
#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)
#27. To: robin (#24)
#28. To: who knows what evil (#25)
I'll tend to my own affairs, till my garden, care for my wife and pets, and when 'they' come for me; that will be that.
#29. To: randge (#19)
Isn't one of those snots that helped Bremer run Iraq head of Google now? I have mercifully forgotten his name.
#30. To: gengis gandhi, Dakmar (#13)
you can have all my shit then, i promise....god sez so.
#31. To: lodwick (#26)
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here.
#32. To: Enderby (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have
any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#33. To: wbales (#30)
#34. To: A K A Stone (#12)
I really want to know more on the subject.
#35. To: wbales (#34)
You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#27)
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#37. To: A K A Stone (#27)
do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#38. To: Enderby, gengis gandhi (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#39. To: robin (#36)
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
#40. To: christine (#37)
#41. To: wbales, gengis gandhi (#40)
#42. To: christine (#37)
#43. To: christine (#37)
I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
#44. To: lodwick (#43)
The KJVersion of the Word
#45. To: lodwick (#43)
#46. To: christine (#37)
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land.
#49. To: wbales (#47)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe its Gods word.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Nero Bush in 2000. Was working hard to convince others of the same. Vote Republican and everything will be okay! Today I am working just as hard to convince people to see things as freedom v tyranny. By any measuring stick you want to use, Republicans have had the House and Senate now for 11 years and the White House for almost 5; to rephrase President Reagan, are you any more free today than you were 4 years ago, 10 years ago? I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations. Breathing, perhaps. Thought.... well, Congress is quickly working on that one.
#52. To: robin (#48)
#53. To: scooter (#51)
I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
#55. To: A K A Stone, christine, everyone here (#46)
Great thread, Christine - thank you.
#56. To: christine (#50)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#59. To: lodwick (#55)
believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
#60. To: christine (#50)
whose version?
#61. To: wbales (#57)
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Learn more about the USSLiberty -
#63. To: A K A Stone (#59)
I dont think the satanic bible would work.
#64. To: lodwick (#62)
#65. To: robin (#16)
#66. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#67. To: wbales (#66)
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
#68. To: A K A Stone (#53)
I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
#69. To: wbales (#66)
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
#70. To: wbales (#68)
#71. To: scooter (#51)
#72. To: Enderby (#67)
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no."
#73. To: A K A Stone (#70)
why Driving is a right and I've already won several times. They are chicken shit of a jury trial.
#74. To: robin (#24)
#75. To: wbales (#73)
#76. To: A K A Stone (#75)
#77. To: A K A Stone (#72)
o: Enderby
#78. To: wbales (#54)
Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
#79. To: Enderby (#77)
#80. To: A K A Stone (#78)
There is NO CONCLUSIVE proof that it was attacked intentionally.
#81. To: A K A Stone (#7)
He gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
Theologian, Writer, Lecturer
#82. To: A K A Stone (#79)
#83. To: mehitable (#65)
#84. To: A K A Stone (#79)
To: Enderby
#85. To: A K A Stone (#78)
There is NO CONCLUSIVE proof that it was attacked intentionally. Maybe they did attack on purpose. It's still speculation.
#86. To: christine (#37)
I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
#87. To: A K A Stone, christine (#46)
#88. To: Diana (#87)
I believe after we die our souls go on to another dimension.
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#90. To: Diana (#87)
#91. To: A K A Stone (#78)
#92. To: christine (#0)
#93. To: 82Marine89 (#92)
#94. To: lodwick (#43)
#95. To: christine (#93)
Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?
#96. To: A K A Stone (#52)
yardhearts and minds and definitely spending more time in the book actually discerning and learning what it says.
#97. To: christine (#93)
#98. To: 82Marine89 (#95)
Btw, who is that creature in your tagline?
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#99. To: 82Marine89 (#95)
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#100. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#98)
Thank's for the correction, I was told he was a zombie. Either way, I like the pic.
#101. To: 82Marine89 (#100)
You gotta see the movie. He wasn't a zombie. That's Kharis. I promise, when you see the movie, all will become clear.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#102. To: christine (#0)
I thought I was a republican because I wanted a smaller fiscally responsible government. Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahaha! Hahaha!!! I never voted though because I was just one person and really didn't follow politics. Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahaha! Hahaha!!! Last fall I voted for the first time in my life at age 40. I may not have made a difference, but years from now I'll be able to say, "Wasn't me that did it." Mwu. Mwuha. Mwuhaha. Mwuhaha! Mwuhahaha!! I was a stock market bull and believed that gold and silver were barbaric metals up until last summer. 25 years of history can't be wrong. I always felt it was better to own a piece of the bank than put the money in the bank. All that changed. Suddenly I find myself stocking up on canned goods, water, and barbaric relics. Crap. Crap crap. Crap Crap! Crap crap crap!!! For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club. Holy. Holy cow. Holy frickin' cow. Holy frickin' cow!!! Is that enough major issues? ;)
How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
#103. To: markm0722 (#102)
Let's see, where do I start after your rant??? I read a book called "The Devil", a history of how the Devil came to be. Now I don't belive in The Devil, nor do I really follow the bible because I think it's a tool to destroy the world, along with every other Godforsaken organized religion. I don't belive in psychic phenomena, as I've seen far to many fucking frauds put up on TV as the real thing. Those of us who really ARE psychic should go into hiding, and use our collective powers for evil, just to get even. I thought that Windows XP would be the best thing for me to use on my home computer. I thought that George Bush was the better choice than either Gore or Kerry. I thought that my government would cease to be full of morons who wanted to take my rights away, but after 6 years of this clown, I'm even more paranoid. Living in Minneapolis for the last 4 years has made me an incredibly intolerant person, as I used to be able to suffer with the idiocy around me. I thought that I'd have a good economic future with the republicans in office. Now I couldn't be more wrong. I thought that illegal immigration would be a top priority after 19 illegal aliens brought down the twin towers, and part of the Pentagon. Jesus Christ... I don't believe anything anymore. Not even when I fucking see it happening, I still don't believe it.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#104. To: markm0722 (#102)
yep, that's enough. :P
#105. To: christine (#0)
Taking a stab at getting the thread back to your initial question.......and it isn't exactly an idea, but sort of fits. As you know, I was a strong supporter of Alan Keyes for years.......going back to before the liar in chief's wimpy daddy's attempted second term campaign. Back in those years of listening to and reading Alan, I saw someone who was principled and well versed in the constitution. At tos2 and fu, I was challenged on him based on my earlier feelings of support. I did have a difference with him regarding volunteer service being mandatory-- but at that point it was merely discussion. I'd never go for volunteerism that way. And I was on the fence regarding Michael New. I was 100% in feeling Michael was correct in not defacing his uniform with the un blue shit, and felt the military let him down badly. Worse, the administration did, too....they all bowed down to making our men international soldiers. Alan Keyes, being from a military family, kept saying soldiers have to follow orders. I agree that out on the battlefield, it is important to follow commands, to take out a gunnery nest, or whatever, and it lends to unit cohesion, blah, blah, blah......but I just wasn't convinced. The day my mind changed was when he had the tv program on msnbc, what was it, January 2003, when he and that scumbag dertyshits were all but doing liplock over using torture. There was no disagreement over using torture, just the reasoning behind it. I've had enough 'justifying' of evil under the guise of 'good' to last several lifetimes. While I can thank him for having shone the light on abortion, the constitution was only words in his glorified vocabulary. :(
#106. To: markm0722 (#102)
Ya saw the light, eh? BTW, good rant.
#107. To: markm0722 (#102)
Sounds like you have made alot of good progress.
For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club.
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#109. To: rowdee (#94)
Exactly. I see that you've met those of that persuasion, also. Either that, or it just magically appeared on Mr.Guetenberg's doorstep one morning. ID cheers up there, Dee.
Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!
#110. To: 82Marine89 (#95)
And here I thought that it was Michael Chertoff all this time...
He's one of the zombie's from Indiana Jones. I figure I've been called a bot enough times that I should have fun with it.
#111. To: rowdee (#105)
Ditto's for me with Buchanan.
Alan Keyes
#112. To: markm0722 (#102)
Crap. Crap crap. Crap Crap! Crap crap crap!!! For 20 years I hadn't felt the need to own a gun. Last summer I bought a 1911 .45 and joined a local gun club. Holy. Holy cow. Holy frickin' cow. Holy frickin' cow!!! Welcome & good job with it. (Continue to avoid the lycra, however.)
I was a stock market bull and believed that gold and silver were barbaric metals up until last summer. 25 years of history can't be wrong. I always felt it was better to own a piece of the bank than put the money in the bank. All that changed. Suddenly I find myself stocking up on canned goods, water, and barbaric relics.
#113. To: lodwick (#109)
Hey, you........did ya get to read those two others I did for you==I think on friday.
#114. To: lodwick (#110)
LOL! There is a sort of ghastly (or do I mean ghostly) resemblance.
And here I thought that it was Michael Chertoff all this time...
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#111)
Certainly disappointments. I think they would a been better than anything picked, but sheet............
#116. To: robin, lodwick (#114)
LOL.........I don't have the tags set to be seen, so I haven't seen the avatar; however, the mere suggestion that it could be Chertoff is enough to make me shudder.
#117. To: rowdee (#105)
I liked him too for awhile. He gave good speeches, and at first, he did not appear to be part of the political machine.
While I can thank him for having shone the light on abortion, the constitution was only words in his glorified vocabulary. :(
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#118. To: christine (#0)
read my tagline
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#119. To: rowdee (#113)
I know that I got one, and Friday's too far in the past for me to remember...;- ) I will go look however, and Thank You very much.
#120. To: rowdee (#116)
You should activate the tag thingie - there is good stuff there, and for me, it kinda personalizes the poster for me.
#121. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#118)
yep, tis true. ;)
#122. To: christine (#5)
Have I had a change of heart on any major issues? no, the war is still a crock, Bush is still insane, etc...etc....
The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up
#123. To: christine (#0)
Hmm this is a hard one.. well maybe I've changed my mind on having extra marital affairs? :P
#124. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#122)
no, the war is still a crock, Bush is still insane, etc...etc.... How about wearing a peg leg? :P
Have I had a change of heart on any major issues?
#125. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#122)
how about a minor one? :P
#126. To: christine (#0)
My opinion on Iraq has changed dramatically. I used to associate an anti-war stance with moral cowardice and knee jerk, anti-patriotism.. I realize now that I have more information available about our latest conflict, and after having done some reading into others from the past, that often the reverse is actually true. Are there people who would gleefully meet any occupying army on US soil with a white flag, regardless? Sure.. and I still hate them. But by the same token, there's reasoned dissent, also. It's moral. It's reflective What it's not reflexive and not the least bit indicative of a hatred for the Country or it's citizens.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
#127. To: Jhoffa_ (#126)
here's one that i've changed on. i used to loathe all democrats. now i loathe all republicans. juuussss kidding. :P
#128. To: christine (#89)
Yeah! I changed my tag.
I long for the days when "Go fuck yourself!" wasn't the first thought my mind could conceive.
#129. To: Hmmmmm (#128)
lol. i know you won't be holding your breath.
#130. To: christine (#0)
I used to think I was just "misunderestimating" our president, but lately I've grown to realize "this is historic times" and "we're making steadfast progress."
When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
#131. To: christine (#0)
I changed my mind about my vote for Bush over 6 months ago. I see now that I helped vote the wrong man in. Mostly though, I have had a change of heart about the church. More and more, I am seeing the churches move away from God and into the greedy, it's all about money mode. Granted, there are many truly good, God worshiping churches out there, but it seems alot of the churches are all about money and wanting to get into the politics of everything now. Things have really changed since I was a kid. We went to church for one thing, to worship our Lord and give thanks. Nowadays, people go to church for financial classes, to plan vacations and hunting trips, and to look good in their community. Seems the churches are worshiping everything but God these days!
Secure our borders, save our nation!
#132. To: christine, all (#71)
My other change is an ongoing one. I never felt at peace in the Southern Baptist church. Two years ago, a dear friend introduced me to the Eastern Orthodox Church and it was as if all at once, all of my questions had been answered. I am not Orthodox yet. Nor am I a Baptist any longer. This is not to bash Baptists or Methodists, etc., though I have probably done that a time or three. There are still many great people of faith these churches. But these churches do not answer questions for me.
#133. To: nc_girl_speaks_up (#131)
Come to Asheville sometime and I will treat you to -Or- Get this! We could go to see the Apostle Ron Carpenter preach at his church in Greenville (SC). Yes, and afterwards, take in some Starbucks Coffee in a genuine Starbucks establishment, inside the church! How about this one. One of the Rescue "missions" in Asheville is run by a great man of God. He uses the homeless to build his home(s), do yardwork and pay them less than minimum wage (if at all) to do the work. We can then go to one of the consignment shops to buy some clothes to pay for one of his fancy cars or boats or houses! Then there is my friend (youth pastor) near Columbia (SC) whose church barely makes ends meat, but was among the first to volunteer to take in refugees from New Orleans. They had no idea how they would do it; only that they felt like they should. In the end, they were not called upon to house people. There is another friend who pastors a church near Raleigh who is trying to walk a delicate balance between a congregation who is elderly and doesn't want to do much and a number of younger couples who want to DO. A pastor, friend and mentor from my college days who preaches near to me whose life's work is now focusing on and taking care of the baby boom generation: housing, care, spiritual needs, fun programs, etc. Another pastor who left the church my in-laws go to, to make a career change to do fundraising for a local (to him) Christian College. A great man. Humble, honest, peaceful giant of a man. Not the least bit dynamic personality wise- like you would expect from someone fundraising. Very quiet and a man of few words who has never done fundraising. He loves a good joke and smiles. I don't know how, but that college will be rolling in money. A former music minister at the church my wife and I used to go to. The man never said more than 10 words to anybody during his 5 years there. Somehow, the chior was always full. He played several instruments and always encouraged the kids to pick up and enjoy music. He was always the first to visit someone in the hospital, deliver food or prayer to a family in need. He would drop whatever he was doing in order to help someone at anytime without ever uttering one word of complaint.
Build-More!, er (there I go again), Biltmore Baptist church which counts its members by the thousands. The church features a cafe and coffee shop. Gyms, auditoriums. Its great! You can go there and have people do your thinking for you. Mind-numbed, thoughtless Christianity. Don't forget to wear your Sunday best and pull up in nothing less than a Benz', BMW, Hummer, Acura, Caddy, or at the very least, nothing less than 3 years old.
#134. To: christine (#89)
Over the last five years, my attitudes on darned near everything have undergone an almost complete reversal and/or re-evaluation. I worked on Reagan's campaign when I was kid. These days I won't work on anyone's political campaign because I discovered, after years of dealing with the absolute and total BS in California, that they're all scum and deserve to be run out of town. Local people around town? The Pubbies are turning into a pack of smug bible-thumpers who wish to personally damn anyone to eternity in an ez-bake oven who dares disagree with them while the Democrats are still "in mourning" over the last Presidential election and want to rule every single facet of my life. Both of them agree when the facts are presented to them that "this crap cannot go on" but then they turn around and do it anyhow. The last of the elder generation of my family is about to pass and my mom has already apologized to me for the mess I will be saddled with. How often does that happen? My cynicism level has reached new heights. I've discovered that I can trust people one-on-one but groups can't be trusted to figure out what they want for breakfast. In other words: Mirage is on his own and is discovering that he likes it.
bwahahaha....
#135. To: scooter (#133)
That's quite a melánge of preachers. Only those who have not sold their souls to worship Mammon are worth the time of day. Glad to see you've found out the Eastern Orthodox Church has survived the onslaught of the Bolsheviks. There is quite a revival of Christian doctrine in Russia now from what I hear from someone I exchange an email with now and then from over there. If you know anything at all about Fatima, you will know that the only way to defeat the current devilish paradigm is for the corrupt Roman Catholic Church to give way and recognize the Eastern Church to end the schism when the East and West split in 1054. The current occupant of the Vatican and the Holy See is a heretic of the worst sort.
"Under every government the dernier resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens." Anonymous Framer of U.S. Constitution, Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
#136. To: mirage (#134)
You bring the tar and I'll bring the feathers. If you have a neighbor that is worthwhile, he can bring a fence rail and we'll have us a ball. LOL Hang in there. The tide always turns.
they're all scum and deserve to be run out of town.
Mirage is on his own and is discovering that he likes it.
"Under every government the dernier resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens." Anonymous Framer of U.S. Constitution, Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
#137. To: nc_girl_speaks_up (#131)
Things have really changed since I was a kid. We went to church for one thing, to worship our Lord and give thanks. Nowadays, people go to church for financial classes, to plan vacations and hunting trips, and to look good in their community. Seems the churches are worshiping everything but God these days! The churches and pastors have all sold out for their 501(c)(3) tax exemption. They no longer worship God, but Mammon instead. "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon" (Matthew 6:24). The blind are truly leading the blind... and together they will all fall in the ditch. Good on ya that you see where they are headed so you don't join them. ;0) BTW, in the revolutionary era the British called the preachers and pastors the "Black Brigade" because they could raise up 300 men in an afternoon to march and oppose the Redcoats anywhere at any time. If you will examine the history of the Protestant churches in the colonies you will see that they were very politically active, constantly preaching against the Crown and preaching the Word of God as it is spoken in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many preachers were tortured and murdered by the King's men for refusing to take a license. We have much the same situation today in every walk of life and there are few with the courage to stand up to the plundering pirates and tell them loudly "NO!"
it seems alot of the churches are all about money and wanting to get into the politics of everything now.
"Under every government the dernier resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people... entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens." Anonymous Framer of U.S. Constitution, Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
#138. To: christine (#108)
I have not voted for a main two party canidate since "92". I have for a long time known something is and has been wrong with the elected and unelected people in our 3 branches of government. 911 and the following aftermath really put me into high gear to look for the real reasons behind all the mess that has been done to our country over the decades. I quit watching tv, reading the local papers and listening to local radio. I bought some dvds and videos from various patriots and truthseekers, along with a shortwave radio. Over the last 1 1/2 years, read and researched so many topics, well over a 1000 hours, to get where I`m at today, and for those who are new here or lurking, keep digging and searching. I had this forum saved in my favorites since the spring, but didn`t register till I felt I knew enough. I still don`t know as near as much as I would like, but its a slow process. This is where all of our current problems have started from. Discovering this has been the biggest eye opener in my views on all events; The ownership of the central banks, a very well kept secret, 1. Rothschild Bank of London 2. Warburg Bank of Hamburg 3. Rothschild Bank of Berlin 4. Lehman Brothers of New York 5. Lazard Brothers of Paris 6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York 7. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy 8. Goldman, Sachs of New York 9. Warburg Bank of Amsterdam 10. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York. These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America where our forefathers were fighting their own government, they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt. The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank: First National Bank of New York, James Stillman National City Bank, New York, Mary W. Harnman, National Bank of Commerce, New York, A.D. Jiullard Hanover, National Bank, New York, Jacob Schiff, Chase National Bank, New York, Thomas F. Ryan, Paul Warburg, William Rockefeller, Levi P. Morton, M.T. Pyne, George F. Baker, Percy Pyne, Mrs. G.F. St. George, J.W. Sterling, Katherine St. George, H.P. Davidson, J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life), Edith Brevour, T. Baker. Mark
#139. To: scooter (#132)
IMO the problem is Americanized Christianity. Many of the churches have become a way to socialize and to find more and more ways to get members by some social experience. Most churches are politicized rather than preaching the true Gospel they preach some skewed view of God and Christ.. using the newspaper to interpret the bible.. Loonies using eschatology to push their middle east agenda.
#140. To: PnbC (#83)
Excellent!!! I'm always looking for new talk shows/forums. So much of radio is just the same old lame old neo-cons and Air America generally sucks. I used to listen to the Power Hour with that former army nurse (O'Reilly? I can't think of her name) and enjoyed that, but I guess too much real info was getting out as they took it off the air in Boston.
#141. To: Kamala (#138)
fantastic post! three words: FOLLOW THE MONEY
#142. To: mirage (#134)
In other words: Mirage is on his own and is discovering that he likes it. that's something i'm discovering as well. i used to be a lot more trusting of people than i am now. nothing shocks me anymore.
I've discovered that I can trust people one-on-one but groups can't be trusted to figure out what they want for breakfast.
#143. To: BTP Holdings (#136)
True, but usually not as quickly as one would like. Taking a stare at things and witnessing the polarization and "political theocracy" being preached from both the right and the left, it really makes you wonder. IMO, things will have to get a LOT worse before they can get even a tiny bit better. Fortunately, I don't think we'll have to wait too much longer for that :)
The tide always turns.
#144. To: christine (#142)
I heard your radio spot a few times today on RBN. It sounded great, and you have an excellent radio voice. Great work. Mark
#145. To: Kamala (#144)
thank you, Mark.
#146. To: who knows what evil (#25)
My thoughts exactly. How much of the Media is "controlled". I'm just jaded enough to think that even most of the "alternative" media is controlled to some degree also. Where do all the stories come from? The AP, newswires and basically just a few sources. Unless you have your own reporter doing the leg work and most of those that are effective end up committing suicide ;) I follow some of it for amusement. (shit's and giggles)
I find myself paying less and less attention to so-called 'major issues' because it is too difficult to ascertain the truth anymore.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
#147. To: christine (#125)
A minor one? You mean there are still minor ones left???
how about a minor one? :P
#148. To: CAPPSMADNESS, Christine (#147)
After reading more of his posts.. I now Consider Trace to be "Uber-gay" As opposed to merely a "gigantic-faggot" Does that count?
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
#149. To: Jhoffa_ (#148)
Even Gayer than old what's-his face???
#150. To: Jhoffa_ (#148)
Trace who? :P
#151. To: christine (#41)
Yes... Until 1998, I despised Bill Clinton as much as I now despise GWBush. (Now I simply find him mildly annoying after my dislike turned to sympathy while watching the witchhunt launched against him) Until 1998, I admired Republican eaders. (Does blatant hypocrisy ring any bells?) Until 1999, I considered Democrats to be(good people but) ignorant fools politically. (Now I think MOST American voters are good people but ignorant fools politically) Until 2000, I had always voted Republican as a registered Independent. (Give me a decent GOPer candidate and I might again.) Until 1999, I wholeheartedly believed in the father, son, and holy ghost as well as the bible. Today I see a marvelous book of fiction. (You just can't unring a bell once it's sounded off. I often wish I hadn't rung this one but wishing doesn't help) Until 2001, I believed that America was safe from the idjits in charge. (Today I wonder WHO REALLY was behind 9-11, Oklahoma?) Until Sept. 2005, I thought Barbara Bush was a nice person down deep. (But hell, she's happy in her hog heaven because she's never known anything worse) Until 2001, I thought America was safe from the insanity in the rest of the world. (Childish hopes) Until 2001, I thought Americans had enough sense NOT to give away our freedoms for psuedo security. (Patriot Act?) Until 2003, I thought folks who believed in political conspiracies were a bit tetched. (New world order? Apocalypse Now? America sold to the highest bidder? Who shot Kennedy? Who took down the twin towers?) IOW, I have changed all of my world views 100% in the last 8 years with one notable exception... I still think Hillary Clinton is an asshole. Clever, extremely bright, but an asshole nevertheless. Apparently, I'm so openminded that my brains fell out and when I put them back in, my entire world view was changed... How about you? (I didn't read ALL of the posts so if you've already answered, just point me to it)
How openminded am I? Have I had a major change of view?
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#152. To: christine (#0)
If you mean within the last year; the answer would be no. If you mean within the last 3 years, the answer would be yes. When I realized that not only did our government know about the plans of 9/11 in advance, they actually carried them out, and that both parties and the media were actively covering it up, and it was WORKING, I knew that America was doomed. Before this I still had a sliver of hope for America. It is only a matter of time until the USA is no more. Wishing the facts were different, won't change the facts. It’s definitely time to start building that boat.
How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#153. To: siagiah (#151)
Hey Cath.. I am in agreement with about 99% of what you said.. Who'd have ever thought LOL :P
#154. To: siagiah (#151)
oh my, sia, i could have written that. every example you gave, i can relate to.
Apparently, I'm so openminded that my brains fell out and when I put them back in, my entire world view was changed...
#155. To: rowdee (#94)
Ah, so the KJV is the only version which doesn't explain the prolific presence of human-like bipeds which clearly aren't primates in fossil form? Or why prehistoric organisms and animals of all shapes and sizes were duking it out and competing for resources before homo-sapiens came along with their original sin. And as far as Mount Sinai, I always wondered if God knew Moses would break his tablets, why didn't he use a little foresight and make them metal instead of stone?
Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!
#156. To: Moldi-Box, rowdee (#155)
wasn't she being facetious? dude, answer the fucking question at the top of this thread. :P
Well....we all know the KJV was given to old Moses on Mt. Sinai!
#157. To: Moldi-Box (#155)
Oh crap.....why don't you go take a couple of midols and go to bed! You sound like raggin hag!
#158. To: christine (#156)
What a twit she's turning into.
#159. To: christine, Zipporah, all (#156)
It's scary to think that so many Americans haven't moved an inch from wherever they sat last year... or two years ago... even TEN years ago... I hope they've at least changed their hairdoes. {;~/ Christine, if you'd known Lois & I a few years back, you'd not BELIEVE that we could now be friends... So at odds with each other on EVERY subject, sniping and biting each other's heel at every opportunity. Those were the days back on the OBB... I don't miss the snipin' but I do miss so many of the regulars.
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#160. To: siagiah, Zip (#159)
who's done the most changin'?
#161. To: siagiah (#159)
I wonder where they all are now? Justlurking who posts here was from the currents board.. do you remember Raven? I know some are at the Cheese Board.. loony board.
Those were the days back on the OBB... I don't miss the snipin' but I do miss so many of the regulars.
#162. To: christine, Siagiah (#160)
Probably me.. LOL!
who's done the most changin'?
#163. To: Zipporah, Christine (#162)
who's done the most changin'? From Zipporah: Probably me.. LOL! Yup, you... giggle... but inna GOOD way... I did most of my major changin' BEFORE we met in '99... Since then, I've just been tweakin'. The old gang? I only talk to a handful of them today. Most simply disappeared when OBB died.
To: christine, Siagiah
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#164. To: Zipporah (#139)
I don't know if I can disagree with that, though let me add the following. The American Protestant Church is dying. It is something you won't hear much about and something that is very hush-hush. There are a few books out there, a few conversations on forums, and my friends who are pastors who have told me because they are so interested as to why I am leaving the Protestant church in my process of becoming Orthodox. I am sick today, woke up about an hour ago and can't go back to sleep and if I am recalling this correctly, Protestant Church membership reached its peak in the 50's, or perhaps it was the percentage of Americans who were on Protestant church rolls. Regardless, a peak was reached at that time. However, the first noteable signs of a mass exodous from Protestant churches were not felt until recently (90's). This happened with the Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopals and others who had strongly entrenched themselves as "liberal" or "socially liberal" and even "theologically liberal" churches (think NE liberalism-socialism). Churches who characterize themselves as conservative, fundamental or evangelcial have seen significant increases in membership. Churches who are traditional have been exploding. Traditional Catholic and Orthodoxy as examples. However, there is speculation that the conservative, fundamental, evangelical movement is peaking and these folks are out the door for the same reasons they left the liberal churches 10 years ago. This is where my friends are so interested in me as no one knows why people are leaving the Protestant church. One thinking is that a lot of denominations are stuck in the 50's mode of worship. It is a cookie cutter worship pattern. Greet - prayer - sing - prayer - sing - offering - choir singing - preach - sing - invitation - benediction. Another is that the message is either too liberal or too conservative. And there are others. I am about to be quite critical of the Protestant church so please don't take what I have to say personal and as I remind myself that there are so many great people of faith within Protestant circles that we can all learn so much from. Its not that the message is either liberal or conservative- its that it changes. Sometimes it changes by the week and the message varries from church to church. God changes His mind and moves in multiple directions quite often. The Christian community is trying to keep up with a fast paced world consumed by technology, 24 hour news, microwave mentality, on the go. Bookstores (for example) try to market to teenagers recently by labeling everything "Extreme" or "Urban". The latest fad, the latest marketing ploy, the latest and greatest hook to get people in (or in your words- the social experience). This is one of the reasons people are leaving. The world is hectic enough; the church needs to be a refuge from this and it needs to be something steady and consistent. The Protestant church has low expectations. Show up on a regular basis, say enough Jesus' and amens and say you believe and you are good to go. This is one of the things that appeals me to Orthodoxy. High expectations and disciplined though in all things mercy and peace. The Protestant church has lost touch with church history and tradition. This is understandable considering where they came from. Few Protestants know why they are protesting and what they are protesting. Even fewer know there is another history outside that of the Roman version. This is one of the things that got me as I love reading about church history and tradition. John Smyth, a principal founder of the Baptists said that holding to the church sacraments (confession, communion, etc) is vital and among the most important things people should do and do often. Say that today in any Southern Baptist church and you will be frog-marched out of the front door. A Protestant church answer has been to use a new methodology of tossing out a few Scripture verses and spending the rest of the time on psychology- making you feel better about you. This has been going on for a while but is best seen with Joel Olsteen. This is nothing personal against Mr Olsteen, but any Christian Bookstore you go into today has hundreds, perhaps thousands of books all dealing with self-help and psychology with a little Christianty thrown in. Though (quite) successful now, it has fatal flaws. You are not getting any "meat" and as Rush is fond of saying "style over substance". One friend is quite concerned over this "answer" and has shown me other areas and people who are quite concerned as well.
#165. To: siagiah (#151)
I still think Hillary Clinton is an asshole. Clever, extremely I agree, S.
bright cunning, but an asshole nevertheless.
#166. To: christine, Zipporah, robin, Jethro Tull, lodwick, Mekons4, aristeides, itsalmosttoolate, OKCSubmariner, crack monkey, *Restore the Republic* (#0)
I've had four big seismic shifts in worldview in my life in response to new discoveries and emerging evidence: 1) The shift from cookie-cutter, public-school trained Yankee/Lincoln-lover to neo-confederate. 2) The shift from cookie-cutter conservative Republcan to paleo- conservative/paleo-libertarian independent. 3) The shift from cookie-cutter protestant/Christian/law-vs.-grace-false- dichotomizing quasi-dispensationalist to Messianic-Jew-affiliating and eternal- covenant-affirming Gentile follower of Yeshua, the Messiah/King of Israel. 4) The shift from psychologically-shocked-into-stupifaction truster-of-the- official-9-11-fable to 9-11 sceptic. Yea, I guess you could say I'm fairly open-minded. LOL.
How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
#167. To: Arator (#166)
Outstanding.
#168. To: robin (#36)
Very presumptuous. I am a spiritual person, but do not subscribe to any 'organized' religion. I think they all have some 'good' to offer and in that they are universal. But I have to say IMO religions in the 'organized' sense are an invention of man, to divide us and wield power over us, by saying they have the secrets to everlasting life and our souls. Pretty scary. Nothing more. You wonder why these folks aren't defending the innocent Iraqis and still call themselves men of 'god'? Probably because they aren't. They are power hungry evil humans - tis all. I wouldn't even call for the asassination of Bush...wishing death on anyone is wrong imo, but robertson sure has been doing alot of condemning lately hasn't he? In fact - isn't that all he does? Is he ever tolerant and accepting? I don't think so, and I can't say I've met many fundamentalists who are non-judgemental and all loving.
Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous?
#169. To: buffycat (#168)
No need to worry about Robertson, his voice is the voice of the International Jew...and they're in crises mode at the moment. Organized Jewry is more of a direct threat than organized religion.
“kol Yisrael areivim zeh b’zeh"
#170. To: christine (#160)
Hi Christine, I've done a tonne of changing in the last few years. I have gone from being a holier than thou Kanuck to trying to understand the Americans better. I am thankful for certain forums for giving me a glimpse at a people who are painted as redneck idiots for the most part in our media here. We make alot of jokes - yet rarely is a nice word spoken of the 'yanks'. My attitude towards the US and her people has changed enormously. I used to be of the mind 'they deserve' what they get - I don't feel that way anymore. I have the utmost respect for those in the US who do see what is going on in the world - and want to change their foriegn policies - more people need to support these efforts. I also have found myself feeling rather sad about my own nation - we have a tonne of problems up here and NO one seems to care. Us Canadians don't even have a document as wonderful as the US constitution, thus we don't have free speech up here anymore - at all. We are bureaucracy at its finest - the perfect little nanny state and we run around acting all superior. Makes me embarrassed. I'll need to think a little more about how many changes of heart I've had - there has been many in the last few years. Though - the one thing which hasn't changed so much is my respect for all life, all peoples and the diversity of mankind - that won't change!! I hope I never get that cynical.
How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
#171. To: christine (#0)
I became a hardened cynic when I found out ice cream cones were hollow. I've recently forgiven Baskin-Robbins for traumatizing my childhood (but now I always order cups 'stead of cones).
How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#172. To: BTP Holdings (#137)
This is so true! It makes you wonder what has become of people and their views.
We have much the same situation today in every walk of life and there are few with the courage to stand up to the plundering pirates and tell them loudly "NO!"
Secure our borders, save our nation!
#173. To: scooter (#133)
Yep, I know what you are talking about and that's exactly why I stay away from those churches.
Don't forget to wear your Sunday best and pull up in nothing less than a Benz', BMW, Hummer, Acura, Caddy, or at the very least, nothing less than 3 years old.
Secure our borders, save our nation!
#174. To: nc_girl_speaks_up, scooter (#173)
Yep, I know what you are talking about and that's exactly why I stay away from those churches. Those kind of churches are nothing but social clubs where the materialistic, hypocrite, mammon worshippers gather to have their bought and paid for (tithe) whore they call a pastor stroke thier egos and tell them how wonderful they all are for supporting the establishment. I'll have nothing to do with them.
Don't forget to wear your Sunday best and pull up in nothing less than a Benz', BMW, Hummer, Acura, Caddy, or at the very least, nothing less than 3 years old.
"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken
#175. To: christine (#5)
Thank you for the ping - sorry I haven't been around! It's been a nightmare couple of months at work. I need to catch up on my thread reading now, lol.
#176. To: Dakmar (#10)
Under the current system, the only thing the meek seem to be inheriting is a mandatory dirt nap. I guess the meek can't often afford those $500/hr lawyers.
Does not the Bible say that the meek shall inherit the Earth? That sounds just as legally binding as any promises to the Israelis.
#177. To: Deela Kaled (#176)
Tom Joad: Then it don't matter. I'll be all around in the dark - I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when the people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build - I'll be there, too.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
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