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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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#4. To: robin (#3)
Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.
ping!
Can God give me some land? I would like some land. How do I sign up for that program?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
He gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
It isn't surprising, given our MSM. Just keep reading the articles posted here. Remember, we are not speaking of all the Jews, just the fanatical element of the Likud party, whom we refer to usually as Zionists. I see Israel's right to exist, I also see the rights of the Palestinians. But, it is more than just what's happening "over there". There is tons of evidence about the influence of Americans (some with dual Israeli citizenship too), who have been appointed to positions of great power in the Bush administration. For example: John Negroponte, the son of a Greek shipping magnate, born in London, is head of all our 11 intelligence agencies. He is also a Jew. He was also known back in the '80s as having through the CIA, trained vicious killers in Latin/South America, who among other things, pushed nuns our of helicopters, etc. Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and others (all Jews, all neocons - former Trotskyites), all worked out of Dick Cheney's office. They were all involved in the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), which sought war with Iraq, 8 months before we invaded. At least some of these have dual citizenship with Israel; they will neither deny nor confirm, but they have homes and close relatives in Israel. Now, if you are a Christian, you cannot become a citizen of Israel. Therefore, you would never be allowed inside their govt. But, as you can see, the reverse is not true. Don't take my words for these things. Search for yourself. This forum has done some of the work for you, by posting links and articles here.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
For may part, I have been angered, no, incensed, no, just plain pissed off about the way the US War-in-Error has been engaged and fought. But I am willing to entertain the notion that by opposing it I am playing into the hands of those that do not want to see a US "success" in Iraq and that "those" are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place. George Bush, I sense, is about to be demonized, and while I believe that few have earned it the way he has, I also have the feeling that he was elected to be the sacificial goat. Why prosecute a costly war when the aim has been achieved? That aim is to create controlled and useful chaos. Chaos that may be channelled here and channelled there when the time is right. Now comes the hour to begin deconstructing Bush. Out come the Watergate analogies on the talking head shows. Out come the network "Specials" that remind us all what vampires are bred on the Right in America. And they will trundle out the black-and-white remains of Joe McCarthy to frighten the little children with. Does anyone else smell what I smell? Sometimes, I think that, as much as I hate being made a fool of by the folks in charge at the moment, I quite as much hate doing the work of their opponents who we know give a damn about either the Republic or our Liberties. Maybe it's time for patriots to STFU and keep their eyes open.
Does not the Bible say that the meek shall inherit the Earth? That sounds just as legally binding as any promises to the Israelis.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S. Burroughs
I've wondered about that too, he is so incompetent and such a fool. But, I disagree with you that "Maybe it's time for patriots to STFU and keep their eyes open.". All the more reason to expose and talk about EVERYthing, IMO. When this administration leaves, it will probably have destroyed the GOP. Was that one of the goals, to have a bunch of neocons hijack the party and destroy it?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.
basically, just write it down, bury it, dig it up later. you can have all my shit then, i promise....god sez so.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
While I have always been a supporter of Israel, and in general I like the Jews - I really think most Jewish people are fine and are not trying to take over anything - it's obvious that there is a coterie of extremist Jews around the White House who have been manipulating that imbecile Bush into doing things to protect or help Israel. The collection of Jewish names, and that they pretty much have uniformly supported this obscene war, inevitably leads to questions about their agenda, and their loyalty to THIS country rather than to Israel. As Christ observed, you can't serve two masters. I do think that people overblow the influence and impact of the Jews. It's unfortunate that this particular coterie of extremists have manipuulated our govt in such a way that it brings suspicion on the Jews in general. Americans are not a hateful or suspicious people, but we're not that dumb either. The difficulty is how to note this problem - of our govt and its policies being manipulated to help Israel, by a combination group of extreme Zionists and Christian fundamentalists - while dodging the tag of "anti-semite". I'm hardly an anti-semite - I have a great deal of respect for the Jews. But we can't let any group of people bend our government to the will of a foreign power whether they be Jews, Chinese, Germans, Abyssinians or whatever. I have to admit though, I can't really support the Palestinians or the Muslim Arabs in general as I think they're largely a bunch of violent a-holes. Even the ones I've met personally are not people I'd really want to be friends with. I think most Muslims really DO look down on Christians and the West and I DO think they'd like to see our destruction even if they don't directly participate in it. I know part of this results from our behavior towards them, but I think part of it is also pure chauvinism and prejudice. My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business.
Well, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever? BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I agree. Check the embedded links in my post for more info though. The neocons do indeed have an agenda. I have to admit though, I can't really support the Palestinians or the Muslim Arabs in general as I think they're largely a bunch of violent a-holes. Even the ones I've met personally are not people I'd really want to be friends with. I think most Muslims really DO look down on Christians and the West and I DO think they'd like to see our destruction even if they don't directly participate in it. I know part of this results from our behavior towards them, but I think part of it is also pure chauvinism and prejudice. Just the Muslim attitude regarding women is enough for me. But, that hardly qualifies them for genocide, which is what is happening in Iraq, IMO. And, it is what Michael Savage(Wiener) called for publicly over the airwaves. A Jewish coworker heard it and told me about it; he was stunned. My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business. Probably, but with our current dependence on foreign oil, whatever percentage, the govt won't leave it alone. There are good alternative solutions, that are now, at $3.00/gal viable.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Sure, I believe the Bible. And the Bible tells me that God did indeed agree that some Middle Eastern real estate would belong to the descendants of Abraham, as part of a covenant relationship. A covenant requires keeping by both sides, and it has quite famously not been kept on one side. So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all. I also see in the Bible (which I, of course, believe) that God has frequently used other peoples -- Gentiles -- to severely discipline the errant children of Abraham. So, who are we to attempt to interfere in divine discipline? Finally, I see nothing in the Scriptures (which I, of course, believe) to support the idea that hundreds of thousands of young Gentiles shold be sent halfway around the world to kill and die in order to enforce the will of skullcap-wearing murderers, or the notion that Gentiles such as myself should be heavily taxed by their rulers in order to send multiple billions of dollars annually to facilitate God's will being done. My reading of the Bible (which I, of course, believe) assures me that God's will is always done, entirely without the help of the U.S. Infernal Revenue "Service," or the Department of "Defense."
Man, I think you really nailed it on the head. BTW: robin, what do you think about the results of this famous google search? >http://www.google.com/search? hl=en&q=failure&btnG=Google+Search Notice the first item in the search Isn't one of those snots that helped Bremer run Iraq head of Google now? I have mercifully forgotten his name.
BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM. I will check out your links. I already knew about lots of jews in our government. I dont watch msm news. As for the Indians, you have a point. Since im part Indian I can stay I guess.
Amen. I fear our camel is to be sacrificed on the altar of globalism, however.
"failure" LOL!!!
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Thanks for the link. I want to know more on this subject. My main problems are that hitler hated the zionists, and God promised the land to the jews.
Also what academia fed you. It was all tainted. Many Americans, from petite Dolly Parton to 6'4" James Garner (Rockford Files) are part Native American. They know it, many do not. Being Scottish didn't keep the Scots in Scotland. The English killed or threw them out. Yet, there are no reparations for the descendents of Scotland, and they now live all over the globe, many here. I read a couple articles that claimed the Communist Chinese call this history "Sheep ate people", as further proof of evil Western Civilization. Throughout world history forced human migrations and upheavals were rather common. We should all be more civilized by now, but it appears we are not. I confess, I grow weary about hearing only of the trials and tribulations of one group, over and over. Up to 40 million Europeans died in WWII, but how many people know that?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Change of heart? Not really...I find myself paying less and less attention to so-called 'major issues' because it is too difficult to ascertain the truth anymore. I'll tend to my own affairs, till my garden, care for my wife and pets, and when 'they' come for me; that will be that.
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here. Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense.
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
Hang in there with us.
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Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Can there be something in there that after I take possession of all your stuff that I can get the American treasury to pay for the upkeep and security thereon? God says your house is mine and I want God to order Uncle Sam to make the mortgage payments, too. That seems fair and righteous and should be part of the deal.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense. I have heard that myself. Perhaps the UN creation of Israel was satans plan for deception. Im not sure yet.
well said. i don't believe these folks are the ones with
whom God made that covenant (if, in fact, that covenant was ever made).
hey, why not? if i'm alive or in this country in ten years, sure.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
Why? You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know. And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. If you are not already in Israel, El-Al has daily non-stops out of New York.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. Perhaps your right about the zionists. Im truly not sure. As for the UN creating israel, that is troubling. But god also lets things happen in the natural. I don't want to go to israel. Also dont consider this as an attack on you. Im just looking to find out the truth.
Yes I do. Are you familiar with this verse? Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
Does anybody? Well, it has just been ordained that I am getting gengis gandhi's property but I want more. Lots more. Perhaps I should try filing a Bible passage claim to land at my local courthouse. Does this work for automobiles, too? HHMMM.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay? Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land. I dont think God needs Pat Robertson or anyone to fulfill his prophecy. (im not a Pat Robertson fan.) Falwell and Robertson don't speak out because they probably arent christians. However I dont consider Palestineans homeland to be israel.
Do you remember that post (I can't recall who) about four weeks ago on one of those religious threads????? It remains forever etched upon my memory: "Who are any of you to argue with burning shrubbery". LOL YIKES!
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
that sounds like john. :P
I believe its Gods word. I dont understand how the Bible controls little people. It calls us to a higher standard. I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
The KJVersion of the Word, which so many folks believe to be the inerrant Word, directly from God to man, has a most interesting history about it.
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#5. To: buffycat, CAPPSMADNESS, Deela Kaled, DeeOnTheLake, doclady, eyeswideoopen, fatidic, h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t, Jen, justlurking, Lady X, LeftCoastLady, mehitable, mennyben, nc_girl_speaks_up, rattler, rowdee, siagiah, robin, Zipporah (#0)
#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
I always thought God gave the land to the Jews.
#7. To: wbales (#6)
Can God give me some land? I would like some land. How do I sign up for that program?
#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Im not sure about the zionist stuff. I always thought God gave the land to the Jews. So I look at it as their land. Anything you care to share on the subject.
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: wbales (#6)
Can God give me some land? I would like some land. How do I sign up for that program?
#11. To: randge (#9)
George Bush, I sense, is about to be demonized, and while I believe that few have earned it the way he has, I also have the feeling that he was elected to be the sacificial goat.
#12. To: robin (#8)
#13. To: wbales (#6)
#14. To: robin (#8)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#12)
I can see some of your points. Hitler said basically the same thing. Im not trying to say you favor hitler or anything like that. But why did hitler hate the zionists like some of us do? I really want to know more on the subject. In the Bible it does say that God gave the land to the jews. Not the palestineans. The palestineans should go somewhere else. Israel should pay for their plane tickets.
#16. To: mehitable (#14)
in general I like the Jews - I really think most Jewish people are fine and are not trying to take over anything - it's obvious that there is a coterie of extremist Jews around the White House who have been manipulating that imbecile Bush into doing things to protect or help Israel. The collection of Jewish names, and that they pretty much have uniformly supported this obscene war, inevitably leads to questions about their agenda, and their loyalty to THIS country rather than to Israel. As Christ observed, you can't serve two masters.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Go here for more information on Jews, Zionism, and the "state" of Israel -
#18. To: A K A Stone (#7)
He gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
#19. To: robin (#11)
Was that one of the goals, to have a bunch of neocons hijack the party and destroy it?
#20. To: robin (#15)
ell, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?
#21. To: mehitable (#14)
My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business.
#22. To: randge (#19)
#23. To: lodwick (#17)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#25. To: christine (#0)
#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)
#27. To: robin (#24)
#28. To: who knows what evil (#25)
I'll tend to my own affairs, till my garden, care for my wife and pets, and when 'they' come for me; that will be that.
#29. To: randge (#19)
Isn't one of those snots that helped Bremer run Iraq head of Google now? I have mercifully forgotten his name.
#30. To: gengis gandhi, Dakmar (#13)
you can have all my shit then, i promise....god sez so.
#31. To: lodwick (#26)
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here.
#32. To: Enderby (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have
any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#33. To: wbales (#30)
#34. To: A K A Stone (#12)
I really want to know more on the subject.
#35. To: wbales (#34)
You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#27)
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#37. To: A K A Stone (#27)
do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#38. To: Enderby, gengis gandhi (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#39. To: robin (#36)
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
#40. To: christine (#37)
#41. To: wbales, gengis gandhi (#40)
#42. To: christine (#37)
#43. To: christine (#37)
I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
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