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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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#18. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Sure, I believe the Bible. And the Bible tells me that God did indeed agree that some Middle Eastern real estate would belong to the descendants of Abraham, as part of a covenant relationship. A covenant requires keeping by both sides, and it has quite famously not been kept on one side. So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all. I also see in the Bible (which I, of course, believe) that God has frequently used other peoples -- Gentiles -- to severely discipline the errant children of Abraham. So, who are we to attempt to interfere in divine discipline? Finally, I see nothing in the Scriptures (which I, of course, believe) to support the idea that hundreds of thousands of young Gentiles shold be sent halfway around the world to kill and die in order to enforce the will of skullcap-wearing murderers, or the notion that Gentiles such as myself should be heavily taxed by their rulers in order to send multiple billions of dollars annually to facilitate God's will being done. My reading of the Bible (which I, of course, believe) assures me that God's will is always done, entirely without the help of the U.S. Infernal Revenue "Service," or the Department of "Defense."
Man, I think you really nailed it on the head. BTW: robin, what do you think about the results of this famous google search? >http://www.google.com/search? hl=en&q=failure&btnG=Google+Search Notice the first item in the search Isn't one of those snots that helped Bremer run Iraq head of Google now? I have mercifully forgotten his name.
BTW, there are several embedded links in my post to you. Sometimes they don't show up as well as they should. Please check them out and read more on your own. Then make your own decision, based on lots of information; not just what's fed to you by MSM. I will check out your links. I already knew about lots of jews in our government. I dont watch msm news. As for the Indians, you have a point. Since im part Indian I can stay I guess.
Amen. I fear our camel is to be sacrificed on the altar of globalism, however.
"failure" LOL!!!
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Thanks for the link. I want to know more on this subject. My main problems are that hitler hated the zionists, and God promised the land to the jews.
Also what academia fed you. It was all tainted. Many Americans, from petite Dolly Parton to 6'4" James Garner (Rockford Files) are part Native American. They know it, many do not. Being Scottish didn't keep the Scots in Scotland. The English killed or threw them out. Yet, there are no reparations for the descendents of Scotland, and they now live all over the globe, many here. I read a couple articles that claimed the Communist Chinese call this history "Sheep ate people", as further proof of evil Western Civilization. Throughout world history forced human migrations and upheavals were rather common. We should all be more civilized by now, but it appears we are not. I confess, I grow weary about hearing only of the trials and tribulations of one group, over and over. Up to 40 million Europeans died in WWII, but how many people know that?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Change of heart? Not really...I find myself paying less and less attention to so-called 'major issues' because it is too difficult to ascertain the truth anymore. I'll tend to my own affairs, till my garden, care for my wife and pets, and when 'they' come for me; that will be that.
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here. Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense.
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
Hang in there with us.
The Register's article states: The company that prides itself on "Doing No Evil" isn't taking any chances with its latest executive appointment. Dan Senor, the company's new Global Communications and Strategy VP, has a CV guaranteed to have Register columnist Otto Z Stern firing a celebratory fusillade skywards from his compound in New Mexico. A former Senior Associate at the Carlyle Group, Senor was briefly Scott McLellan's deputy as White House spokesman before becoming head of the the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq's information department. The White House web site bills him as Senior Advisor to Presidential Envoy L. Paul Bremer III. Fox News hired Senor as a panelist in February. While in Iraq Senor showed his loyalty by going jogging in a Bush-Cheney '04 tracksuit.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Can there be something in there that after I take possession of all your stuff that I can get the American treasury to pay for the upkeep and security thereon? God says your house is mine and I want God to order Uncle Sam to make the mortgage payments, too. That seems fair and righteous and should be part of the deal.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense. I have heard that myself. Perhaps the UN creation of Israel was satans plan for deception. Im not sure yet.
well said. i don't believe these folks are the ones with
whom God made that covenant (if, in fact, that covenant was ever made).
hey, why not? if i'm alive or in this country in ten years, sure.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
Why? You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know. And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. If you are not already in Israel, El-Al has daily non-stops out of New York.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. Perhaps your right about the zionists. Im truly not sure. As for the UN creating israel, that is troubling. But god also lets things happen in the natural. I don't want to go to israel. Also dont consider this as an attack on you. Im just looking to find out the truth.
Yes I do. Are you familiar with this verse? Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
Does anybody? Well, it has just been ordained that I am getting gengis gandhi's property but I want more. Lots more. Perhaps I should try filing a Bible passage claim to land at my local courthouse. Does this work for automobiles, too? HHMMM.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay? Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land. I dont think God needs Pat Robertson or anyone to fulfill his prophecy. (im not a Pat Robertson fan.) Falwell and Robertson don't speak out because they probably arent christians. However I dont consider Palestineans homeland to be israel.
Do you remember that post (I can't recall who) about four weeks ago on one of those religious threads????? It remains forever etched upon my memory: "Who are any of you to argue with burning shrubbery". LOL YIKES!
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
that sounds like john. :P
I believe its Gods word. I dont understand how the Bible controls little people. It calls us to a higher standard. I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
The KJVersion of the Word, which so many folks believe to be the inerrant Word, directly from God to man, has a most interesting history about it.
Its been attacked for centuries. And its still around.
yes, I understand King James was a tyrant.
What was it that changed your mind. Do you now believe we evolved. Or do you still believe in God just not the Bible?
Zionists, Israel Firsters and so forth.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Yes of course. Israel has existed since 1948, that's old news. I already told you I believe Israel has a right to exist. There is other land, outside Israel, that should belong to the Palestinians. They are living there now, but under Israel's unkind thumb. That the Palestinians do not have a homeland is a cause of great concern in the Arab world. In 1967, Israelis moved into Gaza. They just left last month. It was not part of the Balfour deal. BTW, have you read anything on USS Liberty? On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters[2] in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.[3] Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap[7] . Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification: a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10]
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Perhaps.
whose version? then there's the infamous Cyrus Schofield-- Cyrus Scofield and the subversion of modern Christianity.
Me too. I voted for
I believe that the land the bible describes as giving to the jews for eternity is much larger then what they now occupy. That includes the gaza strip and parts of egypt. Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
I totally agree with you. I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
Yes I [k]now about the US[S] liberty!?! But not a whole lot, eh?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
The schofiled bible is a fake in my opinion. Their footnotes are meant to change the meaning of the bible. A thought from your link......Satan is counterfitting Jesus's plan. Thats why it is similar.
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestHe gave a particular piece of land to the jews. Its in the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible? He gave the gentiles all the rest of the earth to live on. Not to mention his grace. So your already part of the program.
#19. To: robin (#11)
Was that one of the goals, to have a bunch of neocons hijack the party and destroy it?
#20. To: robin (#15)
ell, Lord Balfour and the UK allowed Israel into Palestine. The people already living there were the Palestinians. Do you think the Native Americans should buy you a plane ticket for Gibraltor? Or, wherever?
#21. To: mehitable (#14)
My belief is that the best way to handle the Middle East (and Islam in general) is to keep our hands off all parties concerned and just try to be fair to everyone. We really need to back our camel all the way out of that tent and just mind our own damn business.
#22. To: randge (#19)
#23. To: lodwick (#17)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#25. To: christine (#0)
#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)
#27. To: robin (#24)
#28. To: who knows what evil (#25)
I'll tend to my own affairs, till my garden, care for my wife and pets, and when 'they' come for me; that will be that.
#29. To: randge (#19)
Isn't one of those snots that helped Bremer run Iraq head of Google now? I have mercifully forgotten his name.
#30. To: gengis gandhi, Dakmar (#13)
you can have all my shit then, i promise....god sez so.
#31. To: lodwick (#26)
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here.
#32. To: Enderby (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have
any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#33. To: wbales (#30)
#34. To: A K A Stone (#12)
I really want to know more on the subject.
#35. To: wbales (#34)
You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#27)
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#37. To: A K A Stone (#27)
do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#38. To: Enderby, gengis gandhi (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#39. To: robin (#36)
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
#40. To: christine (#37)
#41. To: wbales, gengis gandhi (#40)
#42. To: christine (#37)
#43. To: christine (#37)
I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
#44. To: lodwick (#43)
The KJVersion of the Word
#45. To: lodwick (#43)
#46. To: christine (#37)
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land.
#49. To: wbales (#47)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe its Gods word.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Nero Bush in 2000. Was working hard to convince others of the same. Vote Republican and everything will be okay! Today I am working just as hard to convince people to see things as freedom v tyranny. By any measuring stick you want to use, Republicans have had the House and Senate now for 11 years and the White House for almost 5; to rephrase President Reagan, are you any more free today than you were 4 years ago, 10 years ago? I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations. Breathing, perhaps. Thought.... well, Congress is quickly working on that one.
#52. To: robin (#48)
#53. To: scooter (#51)
I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
#55. To: A K A Stone, christine, everyone here (#46)
Great thread, Christine - thank you.
#56. To: christine (#50)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#52)
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