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Title: How openminded are you? Have you had a change of heart on any major issue lately?
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Published: Oct 16, 2005
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2005-10-16 10:44:15 by christine
Keywords: openminded, lately?, change
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#29. To: randge (#19)
The Register's article states: The company that prides itself on "Doing No Evil" isn't taking any chances with its latest executive appointment. Dan Senor, the company's new Global Communications and Strategy VP, has a CV guaranteed to have Register columnist Otto Z Stern firing a celebratory fusillade skywards from his compound in New Mexico. A former Senior Associate at the Carlyle Group, Senor was briefly Scott McLellan's deputy as White House spokesman before becoming head of the the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq's information department. The White House web site bills him as Senior Advisor to Presidential Envoy L. Paul Bremer III. Fox News hired Senor as a panelist in February. While in Iraq Senor showed his loyalty by going jogging in a Bush-Cheney '04 tracksuit.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Can there be something in there that after I take possession of all your stuff that I can get the American treasury to pay for the upkeep and security thereon? God says your house is mine and I want God to order Uncle Sam to make the mortgage payments, too. That seems fair and righteous and should be part of the deal.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Once I finally understood the difference between Jews and Zionists, all of it made some sense. I have heard that myself. Perhaps the UN creation of Israel was satans plan for deception. Im not sure yet.
well said. i don't believe these folks are the ones with
whom God made that covenant (if, in fact, that covenant was ever made).
hey, why not? if i'm alive or in this country in ten years, sure.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
Why? You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know. And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. If you are not already in Israel, El-Al has daily non-stops out of New York.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
And, that one thing is really all I needed to hear you say. Perhaps your right about the zionists. Im truly not sure. As for the UN creating israel, that is troubling. But god also lets things happen in the natural. I don't want to go to israel. Also dont consider this as an attack on you. Im just looking to find out the truth.
Yes I do. Are you familiar with this verse? Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay?
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God. I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
Does anybody? Well, it has just been ordained that I am getting gengis gandhi's property but I want more. Lots more. Perhaps I should try filing a Bible passage claim to land at my local courthouse. Does this work for automobiles, too? HHMMM.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Do you think God needs Pat Robertson and and others like him to fulfill His prophecy? They seem very eager to hurry the end times along. Doesn't that seem rather presumptuous? And why is it that the Rev. Falwell and Robertson have not spoken out against the crimes against humanity being committed in Iraq? And against the Palestinians? Isn't that what all good ministers of the Gospel should be doing? A voice for the helpless? Instead, they are as hawkish as possible, Bibles in hand, promoting warfare against innocent civilians living in their own homeland! Do you think that by calling it "liberation" and "spreading democracy" that, suddenly, that makes killing women and children, in their own country, okay? Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land. I dont think God needs Pat Robertson or anyone to fulfill his prophecy. (im not a Pat Robertson fan.) Falwell and Robertson don't speak out because they probably arent christians. However I dont consider Palestineans homeland to be israel.
Do you remember that post (I can't recall who) about four weeks ago on one of those religious threads????? It remains forever etched upon my memory: "Who are any of you to argue with burning shrubbery". LOL YIKES!
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
that sounds like john. :P
I believe its Gods word. I dont understand how the Bible controls little people. It calls us to a higher standard. I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
The KJVersion of the Word, which so many folks believe to be the inerrant Word, directly from God to man, has a most interesting history about it.
Its been attacked for centuries. And its still around.
yes, I understand King James was a tyrant.
What was it that changed your mind. Do you now believe we evolved. Or do you still believe in God just not the Bible?
Zionists, Israel Firsters and so forth.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Yes of course. Israel has existed since 1948, that's old news. I already told you I believe Israel has a right to exist. There is other land, outside Israel, that should belong to the Palestinians. They are living there now, but under Israel's unkind thumb. That the Palestinians do not have a homeland is a cause of great concern in the Arab world. In 1967, Israelis moved into Gaza. They just left last month. It was not part of the Balfour deal. BTW, have you read anything on USS Liberty? On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters[2] in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.[3] Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap[7] . Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification: a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10]
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Perhaps.
whose version? then there's the infamous Cyrus Schofield-- Cyrus Scofield and the subversion of modern Christianity.
Me too. I voted for
I believe that the land the bible describes as giving to the jews for eternity is much larger then what they now occupy. That includes the gaza strip and parts of egypt. Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
I totally agree with you. I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
Yes I [k]now about the US[S] liberty!?! But not a whole lot, eh?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
The schofiled bible is a fake in my opinion. Their footnotes are meant to change the meaning of the bible. A thought from your link......Satan is counterfitting Jesus's plan. Thats why it is similar.
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Notice the date of the attack? Here's one explanation by Eric S. Margolis. The attack on 'Liberty' was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag. Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because 'Liberty's' intercepts flatly contradicted Israel's claim, made at the war's beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel's massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces. Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel's offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when 'Liberty' appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel's claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by 'Liberty.' Most significant, 'Liberty's' intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
I dont think any bible will do. Perhaps more then the king james version has truth in it. For an extreme example......I dont think the satanic bible would work.
There are versions?!? VERSIONS, you say?!? I'm sunk. ALAS. I'm lost.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
I dont think so.
lol - I hadn't thought of that one...
Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you - we just won't mind our own damn business. Partly it's greed, and partly naivete, and partly that very human desire to control the world for the"good of others' that crops up every now and then in powerful people and nations. The hardest thing seems to be to just let people develop at their own pace, if they will at all, as long as they don't attack us. I have dreams of things I'd like to see us do in this country, and one of those dreams is to have the President - no, not this buffoon pretending to be POTUS, but a REAL President - initiate a program or contest to find and develop new sources of energy - an initiative the way the space program was in the 50s and 60s. But our system is so tied into oil that we can't even save ourselves for greed and short sightedness. Of course the whole thing in Iraq is obscene. What can I say? The sight of children with their limbs blown off, well, it brings tears to my eyes and there is NO justification for it. None. Michael Savage is crazy, frankly. He says some things that I agree with, but he just goes too far, and I think he thinks he's some kind of biblical prophet. He's gone over the edge. I'm surprised the Islamics haven't declared a Jihad on him. For all I dislike the Islamics, and to be honest - I do for a number of reasons, including their treatment of women, I have to say that we don't comment on the violence that they DON'T instigate for such a large group of people. Yes, there are crazies - lone crazies, and crazies in groups, but how could it be otherwise, with such a large number of people? But Savage is still walking around spewing his venom, and non of the neo-cons have been killed, and as far as I know there have been no serious attempts on POTUS and nothing's been blown up over here. I don't know if the violence I've seen directed against the trains of Europe is much more than something the old Bader Meinhof gang or some of the commies of old Europe would have done.
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
An excellent question, and one with a short answer: "no."
Perhaps the jail library has a tome on constitutional law. Check it out.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
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#30. To: gengis gandhi, Dakmar (#13)
you can have all my shit then, i promise....god sez so.
#31. To: lodwick (#26)
It's my understanding that Torah believing Jews were to remain scattered among the nations of the earth until Christ returns to establish his Kingdom here.
#32. To: Enderby (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have
any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#33. To: wbales (#30)
#34. To: A K A Stone (#12)
I really want to know more on the subject.
#35. To: wbales (#34)
You say God gave the land to the jews (and, dang, here I thought it the UN that did that back in 1948). That is all you need to know.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#27)
The bible talks of in the last days the jews returning to their land. Just curious do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#37. To: A K A Stone (#27)
do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
#38. To: Enderby, gengis gandhi (#18)
So, I'm not at all sure that Sharon, Netanyahu, and Company have any sort of ability to pass clear Biblical title to any real estate at all.
#39. To: robin (#36)
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
#40. To: christine (#37)
#41. To: wbales, gengis gandhi (#40)
#42. To: christine (#37)
#43. To: christine (#37)
I believe now that dubious men with political and selfish agendas commissioned the various works in order to control the little people.
#44. To: lodwick (#43)
The KJVersion of the Word
#45. To: lodwick (#43)
#46. To: christine (#37)
At one time I did. This is something I've had a change of heart about of late. I don't believe that the bible is the infallible word of God.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe some people twist the bible to fit their agenda though.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Mark 13:32 is talking about the lords return. I don't think it says anything about the jews returning to the promised land.
#49. To: wbales (#47)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I believe its Gods word.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Nero Bush in 2000. Was working hard to convince others of the same. Vote Republican and everything will be okay! Today I am working just as hard to convince people to see things as freedom v tyranny. By any measuring stick you want to use, Republicans have had the House and Senate now for 11 years and the White House for almost 5; to rephrase President Reagan, are you any more free today than you were 4 years ago, 10 years ago? I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations. Breathing, perhaps. Thought.... well, Congress is quickly working on that one.
#52. To: robin (#48)
#53. To: scooter (#51)
I can't think of a single facet of my life that isn't based upon fees, taxes or regulations.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
Yes I now about the US liberty. I dont know if it was attacked purpousefully though. What was to gain from attacking it?
#55. To: A K A Stone, christine, everyone here (#46)
Great thread, Christine - thank you.
#56. To: christine (#50)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#59. To: lodwick (#55)
believe that if we prayerfully study the Bible, any Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what is necessary and needed for us that day.
#60. To: christine (#50)
whose version?
#61. To: wbales (#57)
Maybe God deeded the USS Liberty over to Israel?? Is that in the Bible? Read up on that and get back to me.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Learn more about the USSLiberty -
#63. To: A K A Stone (#59)
I dont think the satanic bible would work.
#64. To: lodwick (#62)
#65. To: robin (#16)
#66. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#67. To: wbales (#66)
Are the "Jews" who currently occupy Israel the same "Jews" that God promised Israel to back when that was written?
#68. To: A K A Stone (#53)
I try to fight it. I have no drivers license. I have to go to court again later this month. DRIVING IS A RIGHT.
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