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Title: SWAT: We said, 'Open up' at least twice
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Arizona Daily Star
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Published: Jun 4, 2011
Author: Jamar Younger
Post Date: 2011-06-06 13:56:21 by James Deffenbach
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Comments: 27
The SWAT officers who shot and killed a man while serving a search warrant last month gave at least two commands for someone to open the door before knocking it open, according to documents released Friday. The officers told investigators that, upon opening the door, they saw a man appear in the hallway holding a rifle before they saw what they thought were muzzle flashes from his gun. It was later determined Jose Guerena's rifle was on safety and he didn't fire at the officers. The Pima County Sheriff's Department released hundreds of evidence photos and transcribed interviews with the SWAT officers who fired at Guerena during the raid on his home May 5. The photos show the interior of Guerena's home - its walls painted a dark gray - and evidence collected at his home and three others searched that day. The photos show guns, ammunition, vehicles, cash, documents, cellphones and other items found at the homes or in the vehicles. Guerena was killed by members of the Pima County Regional SWAT team at his southwest-side home as he held an AR-15 rifle, authorities say. He was hit 22 times, according to the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office. His wife and young son were in the home but they were not hurt. Sheriff's Department documents said the raid was part of a long-term drug investigation of Guerena, his brother, several family members and others. No arrests have been made. According to interviews released Friday, two officers knocked on the door before forcing it open. Another officer entered the doorway with a shield that protects against handgun fire before he saw Guerena standing in hallway with a rifle. The rest of the SWAT team attempted to squeeze into the tight entrance behind the officer. The Sheriff's Department originally said Guerena pointed a rifle at officers before he was shot. It was later determined he did not fire at the officers. However, most of the officers interviewed by detectives said they feared for their lives, thinking Guerena was trying to kill them. Officer Hector Iglecias, told detectives he fired his handgun after he saw the muzzle flashes from Guerena's rifle, documents state. "I get this slight glimpse to the left, which is kind of like a living room area," Iglecias said during the interview, which occurred right after the shooting. "And I see, pretty much, a male subject come out," he said. Iglecias, of the Sahuarita Police Department, said he saw an object on the right side of Guerena's body before he saw the muzzle flashes. The officer said he then fired nine or 10 rounds from his handgun while holding it with one hand before the gun malfunctioned. He and other officers told authorities they saw splinters coming off the doorway during the shooting. He fell while attempting to reload, he said, prompting the other officers to believe he was hit. Iglecias described how officers pulled him in front of the entrance and took him behind an armored vehicle parked in front of the house. Other officers described hearing shots fired in their direction. Deputy Kenneth Walsh was the officer who gave the commands for Guerena to come out of the house. Walsh told investigators he issued at least two sets of commands in English and Spanish before he and another officer were ordered to open the door. The order to open the door came during his third set of commands, he said. It took at least a minute to issue the commands before they knocked down the door, he said. He also described a hectic scene filled with gunfire and splintering objects. "I'm just seeing pieces of wood, you know, from the doorjamb," he said. "I couldn't tell if it was inside or outside." He also recalled seeing a muzzle flash coming from inside the home. Another SWAT team member, Deputy Christopher Garcia, told investigators he heard Guerena yell something as he came toward the SWAT team holding the rifle. Garcia began firing when Guerena approached them. "I continued firing at the suspect where I saw him, directly in front of me holding the rifle," he said. He stopped shooting when he saw Iglecias fall on his back, he said. "I believe my life was in danger and the other operators that were also there, that their lives were in danger as well," he said.
Poster Comment: "...He fell while attempting to reload, he said, prompting the other officers to believe he was hit..." What kind of spastic $#it is that?!?! Fall down attempting to reload your weapon? And they actually pay these clowns?
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
It's tough to have rational commentary on this swat insanity.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.
Don't expect anything intelligible from them. I'd be perfectly willing to wager that there's not one drop of concern on the conscience of anyone involved. Death and destruction is what RothCo. and the NWO deal in! We are now in the NWO, albeit it just the onset. Indeed. And the story changes every time they tell it. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they used a drop gun there and just lied about him holding one. But I know a lot of people who, if these same clowns broke into their house, would have taken some of them along for the trip. They could have stopped him on the way to or from work, but no, the big heroes have to go in, shoot every bullet they had, kill their victim, endanger his wife and son and all the close neighbors. Pigs and morons are probably good adjectives. That and heartless devils.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Every time rational people try to discuss it you have police state whores like GrandIsland saying that the cops did everything just right. And how the cops number one objective is not public health and safety but for the cop to arrive back home safe and sound.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Yes, they pay them to lie !
"Government is the only agency that can take a valuable commodity like paper, slap some ink on it, and make it totally worthless" Ludwig von Mises.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
There is no excuse to dispatch a SWAT team to a location to serve a search warrant where no one was shooting or holding hostages. It is completely unconscionable that they were not concerned with the safety of children or his wife or anyone else that might have been inside.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And he is a lying piece of shit.
We're all Randy Weaver and David Koresh when it comes to serving warrants these days.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.
Yeah, or throw a spike strip down in front of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Exactly. Just as it was with the case of David Koresh, they could have arrested him any time on the way to or from work. No excuse whatsoever for killing an innocent man and endangering his family plus all the close neighbors.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
I recall a UN document from the 60's, where it openly stated that their objective was to weaken the militaries of each nation, and strengthen the police forces to shift the power to the internal "security" forces. It displayed a pyramid type of chart showing the shift in power. I think it was William Cooper who mentioned the document in one of his writings, this was prior to the days of the WWW, so I went to the library and looked it up in a reference book, and sure enough there it was. I wish I had made a photocopy, as now I can't for the life of me remember the name of the document or find any reference to it online.
Well, I have never noticed that that bothered them all that much. And they have changed their story now at least five times.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Well, I have never noticed that that bothered them all that much. No, in fact I think it's one of the courses taught to them at the academy, how and when to lie to get away with murder. And they have changed their story now at least five times. Sort of like the bin Laden raid stories, something that has no basis in fact is prone to change.
These scum need to be brought up on charges.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
2. Sort of like the bin Laden raid stories, something that has no basis in fact is prone to change. 1. Yeah, I also believe they are taught how to lie and get away with it. 2. Bin Laden has been killed TWICE now. Funny how these things get twisted.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Well, bad enough for Bin Forgotten but what about the #2 guy? They just keep on killing and capturing him!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
This guy had no criminal record. I want to see the video of them giving 2 commands to open the door. I don't believe anything they say.
"Government is the only agency that can take a valuable commodity like paper, slap some ink on it, and make it totally worthless" Ludwig von Mises.
I saw the video and the audio quality is so poor you can't make it out much. And it sounded like they didn't care much whether anyone heard them, they were intent on breaking the door down and killing someone, at least that is how it appears.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein
Justifying the use of a S.W.A.T Team rather than a couple of cops in a squad car looks like a terrorist attack ! They've insinuated a drug connection but no one has been charged with shit (as far as I know).
"Government is the only agency that can take a valuable commodity like paper, slap some ink on it, and make it totally worthless" Ludwig von Mises.
they needed the swat shooting to justify the budget for the swat team that the city doesn't need in the first place.
ROTFLMAO! Yeah, Bush has lots of room to talk. The DEA got him and his brother on video tape in Miami picking up a kilo of coke. ROTFLMAO!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Yeah, we've heard it before, "Shoot first, ask questions later." ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
They are ALL liars! ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
It displayed a pyramid type of chart showing the shift in power. I think it was William Cooper who mentioned the document in one of his writings, this was prior to the days of the WWW, so I went to the library and looked it up in a reference book, and sure enough there it was. I wish I had made a photocopy, as now I can't for the life of me remember the name of the document or find any reference to it online. FREEDOM FROM WAR - DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277, Disarmament Series 5, Released September 1961 This new program provides for the progressive reduction of the war-making capabilities of nations and the simultaneous strengthening of international institutions to settle disputes and maintain the peace. [sic] the program sets forth the following specific objectives toward which nations should direct their efforts: The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their reestablishment in any form whatsoever other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force; The elimination from national arsenals of all armaments, including all weapons of mass destruction and the means for their delivery, other than those required for a United Nations Peace Force and for maintaining internal order; William Cooper mentioned that document in his writings. There isn't a pyramid chart on the webpage printing above but it does outline 3 stages.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#3. To: Eric Stratton (#1)
They're PIGS!
OsamaBinGoldstein
#4. To: Lod (#2)
It's tough to have rational commentary on this swat insanity.
OsamaBinGoldstein
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Fall down attempting to reload your weapon? And they actually pay these clowns?
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
#7. To: noone222 (#5)
#8. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
The SWAT officers who shot and killed a man while serving a search warrant last month gave at least two commands for someone to open the door before knocking it open, according to documents released Friday.
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
It took at least a minute to issue the commands before they knocked down the door, he said.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#10. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#9)
#11. To: Eric Stratton (#6)
Really makes ya wanna move out of the way of that amberlamps that's on the way to "an officer down" situation, don't it!
OsamaBinGoldstein
#12. To: GreyLmist (#8)
There is no excuse to dispatch a SWAT team to a location to serve a search warrant where no one was shooting or holding hostages. It is completely unconscionable that they were not concerned with the safety of children or his wife or anyone else that might have been inside.
OsamaBinGoldstein
#13. To: Lod (#10)
We're all Randy Weaver and David Koresh when it comes to serving warrants these days.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: FormerLurker (#9)
And he is a lying piece of shit.
OsamaBinGoldstein
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#17. To: FormerLurker (#15)
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1. No, in fact I think it's one of the courses taught to them at the academy, how and when to lie to get away with murder.
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
#19. To: BTP Holdings (#17)
2. Bin Laden has been killed TWICE now. Funny how these things get twisted.
OsamaBinGoldstein
#20. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#8)
The SWAT officers who shot and killed a man while serving a search warrant last month gave at least two commands for someone to open the door before knocking it open, according to documents released Friday.
#21. To: noone222 (#20)
I want to see the video of them giving 2 commands to open the door. I don't believe anything they say.
OsamaBinGoldstein
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#21)
#23. To: GreyLmist (#8)
There is no excuse to dispatch a SWAT team to a location to serve a search warrant where no one was shooting or holding hostages. It is completely unconscionable that they were not concerned with the safety of children or his wife or anyone else that might have been inside.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#24. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
but what about the #2 guy? They just keep on killing and capturing him!
#25. To: IRTorqued (#23)
they needed the swat shooting to justify the budget for the swat team that the city doesn't need in the first place.
#26. To: FormerLurker (#9)
And he is a lying piece of shit.
#27. To: FormerLurker (#13)
I recall a UN document from the 60's, where it openly stated that their objective was to weaken the militaries of each nation, and strengthen the police forces to shift the power to the internal "security" forces.
the United States has introduced at the Sixteenth General Assembly of the United Nations a Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World.
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