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Title: Church opposes Philippines family planning
Source: Guardian, UK
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jun 11, 2011
Author: Sunshine Lichauco de Leon
Post Date: 2011-06-11 00:44:03 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 349
Comments: 32

The Philippine government is debating a reproductive health bill, but the Catholic church adamantly oppose the idea. At the Dr Jose Fabella Memorial hospital 300 proud mothers lie three to a bed, cradling their newborns. With up to 100 babies born every 24 hours here, this is one of the busiest maternity wards in the world.

"Sometimes, during high season, 13 to 16 babies are in the delivery room at the same time," Arlene Matanguihan, a resident doctor, says. "It's chaotic but an organised chaos. We can still manage – no baby drops out on the floor."

The doctors and staff may be proud of their work, but the Philippines' birth rate is another matter. With a population of 90 million, expanding at 1.9% annually, many people are asking whether the country can sustain the growth rate.

In the Philippines 90% of the people are devout Roman Catholic and the majority of the population does not have access to birth control methods.

In Congress politicians are now debating family planning legislation, under the responsible parenthood-reproductive health bill; if passed, the legislation could transform birth control in Asia's most populous Catholic country, allowing government health clinics to educate people about various birth control methods and give easy access to them.

But it is proving divisive. Although local surveys find that a majority of the public supports the bill's passage, the politically influential Catholic church has adamantly opposed it. Members of the Catholics Bishops Conference of the Philippines have openly campaigned against it, threatening civil disobedience and to excommunicate the president, Benigno Aquino III, who backs the bill.

The Church has implied that birth control is the equivalent of abortion, which remains illegal in the country. CBCP's Father Melvin Castro says, "We are opposing God's will to procreate."

But politicians such as Congressman Edcel Lagman, author of the bill in the House of Representatives believe that access to family planning information and services will have both a positive immediate impact and a ripple effect on the country. Lagman believes the bill is both human rights based and a health measure.

"It will help give parents the chance to exercise their right to free and responsibly plan the number and spacing of their children, and help improve maternal newborn education and reduce infant and maternal mortality," Lagman says. "It will also give women more opportunities to finish their education and secure productive work, help reduce poverty by curbing the population growth rate and help reduce abortion by preventing unwanted pregnancies."

Even the country's President Aquino has voiced his support for this more comprehensive approach to future development of the country: "I know some sectors are against this bill, but it is the right thing to do. "It is right to educate our people, instead of holding them hostage to the scant resources available to them."

Politicians opposed to the bill, such as the representative Karlo Nograles, believe that its mandatory requirements go against free choice, and that the measure "creates more dangers than solutions". He believes that proposed mandatory sex education for children at the age of 11 will "violate the freedom of religion".

But Matanguihan agrees with the bill. A lot of her patients are from the poorest of backgrounds "and can't really afford to raise four or five children".

She said they needed to consider contraception to take better care of the children they already had in their family.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

as usual, the Catholic church is still the primary opponent of the abortionists/eugenecists, as admiited by Margaret Sanger to Mike wallace in that famous 1960s tv interview.

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-11   22:50:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Artisan (#1)

You're opposed to birth control pills?

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-11   22:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: abraxas (#2)

yes, with good reason. Many times (& this is admitted by an increasing # of prolife protestant doctors) the pills do not prevent conception. but rather implantation, which is in effect an abortion.There are natural ways to prevent conception if need be.

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12   9:40:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#4)

the pills do not prevent conception. but rather implantation

This is only when a high dose of birth control pills are marketed and taken as the "morning after" pill, not through regular use of birth control pills which 99% of the time, when taken properly, prevent conception.

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-12   11:24:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#6)

Absolutely false. No, i am not referring to RU486, the socalled morning after pill. Regular everyday birth control pills prevent implantation, not conception. This is widely acknowledged by even the pro-aborts. A 10 second search will reveal this truth

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12   11:32:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Artisan (#8)

Regular everyday birth control pills prevent implantation, not conception.

No, the pill works to prevent ovulation--no egg/no conception. Progesterone and Estrogen are the hormones in the pill that work by keeping a woman’s ovaries from releasing eggs — ovulation. Pregnancy cannot happen if there is no egg to join with sperm. The hormones in the pill also prevent pregnancy by thickening a woman’s cervical mucus. The mucus blocks sperm and keeps it from joining with an egg.

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-12   11:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: abraxas (#11)

there may be times when there is no conception, but by no means do birth control pills prevent conception every time. Matter of fact, the opposite is true. Usually, there is indeed conception, but the pills prevent implantation,. (thus, its an abortion). Like i said before, this "painful truth" (painful to the abortionists, if their billions of unwitting pawns find out about it and have their conscience twinged) is widely admitted by even the pro abort doctors, as well as increasingly by the protestant preechers, who up until decades ago, opposed birth control just like the Catholics did. protestant acceptance of artificial birth control is a relatively new thing.

You can type in the words birth control abortifacient in a google search. Here it is!: birth control abortifacient I will get the Scriptures for you in a bit.

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12   12:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#12)

this "painful truth"

Usually, there is indeed conception, but the pills prevent implantation

I don't know where you get your information, but I am a woman who has dealt with this issue. I have a long history of amenorrhœa and when the egg fails to drop there is NO CHANCE of conception.

Projestogen based BC pills actually create amenorrhoea: Hormonal contraceptives that contain only progestogen like the oral contraceptive Micronor, and especially higher-dose formulations like the injectable Depo Provera commonly induce this side-effect. Extended cycle use of combined hormonal contraceptives also allow suppression of menstruation.

Conception requires AN EGG. How you can argue this is beyond me....... Sorry, Artisan, but the "painful truth" is that you don't know much about women's cycles or hormones or even what is required for conception. In any BC pill that works on the hormonal aspect, the egg isn't dropping.....no egg/no conception. Simple fact.

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-12   13:02:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#15)

i guess you have never read the insert of the birth control pills themselves. they admit that pills can allow conception, and prevent implantation. I know exactly what i am talking about,. The head of medical schools admit it. do a two second search. and the fact that you continually refuse to acknowledge what the abortion advocates THEMSELVES CONCEDE, raises other questions. Are you claiming that any woman who ever took a birth control pill can with absolutely 100% certainty not conceieve? if so, that is blatant hogwash acknowledged by both the pro life and plannned parenthood people. You will have to explain where you heard this false info, and dispute it for yourself. Because i am not confused in the least about how birth control pills cause millions of abortions. Of course you will probably again ignore all the billions of links acknowledging this, so our discussion is apparently at an impasse.

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12   13:17:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Artisan (#17)

they admit that pills can allow conception, and prevent implantation.

IF the pill is not taken at the SAME TIME EVERYDAY!

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-12   13:45:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#19)

Dr. Ronald Chez, a scientist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), publicly stated that the new Pills of today, with their lower estrogen dose, allow ovulation up to 50% of the time! (Source: Sterns, David, M.D., Sterns, Gina, R.N., B.S.N., Yaksich, Pamela, "Gambling with Life, How the I.U.D. and 'The Pill' Work" (www.top.net/vitalsigns).

i really think you should read the link i posted. it has such as the following. (taking the pill at different times increases the risk of breakthrough ovulation even further, but it occurs anyway, even if the pill is taken at the same time every day):

www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

In her award winning study of women taking the earlier high dose Pills, Dutch gynecologist Dr. Nine Van der Vange showed "proof of ovulation based on ultrasound exams and hormonal indicators occurred in about 4.7% of the cycles studied." (Source: Sterns, Dr. David, "How the Pill and the IUD Work: Gambling with Life," American Life League, PO Box 1350, Stafford, VA 22555)

And the "Textbook of Contraceptive Practice" states that, "Among women who have been followed over a considerable number of cycles, breakthrough ovulations occur in 2 to 10 percent of cycles." (Source: Dr. J. Peel & Dr. Malcolm Potts, Textbook of Contraceptive Practice, 1969, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press)

Please note that these references are to the lower breakthrough ovulation rates of the Pills of the 1960's. The new Pills of the 1990's work differently and have much higher breakthrough ovulation rates. This will be explained as you read on.

Why the big secret?

Why aren't most women aware that the Pill causes early abortions? Let's look at the large pharmaceutical companies who advertise, market and sell the Pill. They make huge profits from the Pill -- and they'll continue to make mega- profits -- if women are convinced they're not getting pregnant and they keep buying and taking the Pill everyday. But are they being honest with you? Have they clearly explained that their products cause millions of early chemical abortions each year?

The New Pills: Much Higher Rates of Breakthrough Ovulation . . .

The original Pill of the 1960's had to be modified due to harmful side effects that women were experiencing because of the powerful chemicals. All versions of today's "Combination Pill" have a reduced hormonal content. When compared to the Pills of the 1960's and 1970's, this reduces the chance of harmful side effects for women, but it also increases their chances of ovulating and conceiving a son or daughter.

Dr. Ronald Chez, a scientist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), publicly stated that the new Pills of today, with their lower estrogen dose, allow ovulation up to 50% of the time! (Source: Sterns, David, M.D., Sterns, Gina, R.N., B.S.N., Yaksich, Pamela, "Gambling with Life, How the I.U.D. and 'The Pill' Work" (www.top.net/vitalsigns).

With these newer Pills, simply missing one tablet, or failing to take the Pill at the same time each day increases the chances of breakthrough ovulation. Reactions with other drugs increases the chances of breakthrough ovulation, especially with caffeine and nicotine, or some prescription medicine (Source: "Abortifacient Contraception: The Pharmaceutical Holocaust" by Dr. Rudolf Ehmann, Human Life Intl., 1993, p.15).

Makers of the new "mini-pill" claim it does not have the side effects of the combination pill. However, they don't tell you that scientific research shows the mini-pill does not stop ovulation at all in 67-81% of the women who use it, so the probability of conception is much higher. (Source: Tonti-Fillippini, Nicholas, Linacre Quarterly, 1995)

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12   13:52:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#20)

With these newer Pills, simply missing one tablet, or failing to take the Pill at the same time each day increases the chances of breakthrough ovulation.

(taking the pill at different times increases the risk of breakthrough ovulation even further, but it occurs anyway, even if the pill is taken at the same time every day):

Even your own post supports what I have been saying all along........

I don't even know that this "mini pill" they are referring to contains.

There is nothing in you link to substantiate that the pill IS taken at the same time everyday.

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-12   14:03:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas (#21)

I don't even know that this "mini pill" they are referring to contains.

The Food and Drug Administration stated in 1978 that:

Combination oral contraceptives . . . [make] alterations in the genital tract including changes in the . . . endometrium (which reduce the likelihood of implantation) . . . but progestogen only contraceptives [re: mini-pills] are known to alter the cervical mucus, exert a progestational effect on the endometrium, interfering with implantation. (Emphasis added)

www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

Medical Publications confirm the facts . . .

"The Physicians' Desk Reference" quoted a Searle brochure (Searle is a major pharmaceutical manufacturer of the Pill) which states that the mini-pill: makes the womb (uterus) less receptive to any fertilized egg that reaches it. (Emphasis added)

"Nursing '85 Drug Handbook" states: Progestogen...also caused endometrial changes that prevent implantation of the fertilized ovum. (Emphasis added)

"The Pill - How Does It Work?" By Albert D. Lorincz, M.D.: Cites a study of 1,200 women given a daily amount of progestogen equivalent to many birth control pills. 60% of them ovulated.

"Birth Control: Why Are They Lying to Women?" By J.C. Espinoza, M.D. (page 27) cites research which showed a 30% ovulation rate in women taking a combined Pill preparation

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12   14:11:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Artisan (#24)

in 1978

You are using data that is 33 years old? Very few Progesterone based pills were even available at that time.....

I provided you with current data on this issue, detailing the three types and the effectiveness at preventing conception.

abraxas  posted on  2011-06-12   14:20:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#30. To: abraxas (#28)

You are using data that is 33 years old? Very few Progesterone based pills were even available at that time.....

I provided you with current data on this issue, detailing the three types and the effectiveness at preventing conception.

even if a woman is 'on the pill', many become pregnant which itself refutes the claim that no ovulation can occur when on the 'pill'. You can argue that "oh, none of these women took their pills properly!" but it doesnt wash.

One reference that i copied was from 1978, but hundreds of examples from the link are from doctors, abortionists & the big pharma eguencsists them selves (who push these 'pills') admit that current birth control pills do not guarantee preventing conception. they do, however, oftentimes prevent implantation.

I do not believe that NFP, if properly practiced, results in 25% pregnancies. I bet that number came from the abortionists.

But, as i said earlier, the majority oif Christian women are on pills and having abortions daily, and even many catholic women are on pills too, so for now, it appears your side is winning in the sphere of public opinion. However, just the fact that planned parenthood pushes the exact same arguement that you do, should greatly concern you as to it's validity, agenda, & truthfulness.

If you can sincerely read that entire page and still insist that women arent unwittingly having abortions while taking pills, I dont know what else to say, other than I hope that others sincerely interested in the truth about birth control pills will read it for themselves:
"Birth Control" Pills cause early Abortions

http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html ..

Artisan  posted on  2011-06-12 14:44:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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