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Title: PTSD incorrectly calculated among soldiers: Veteran's Administration
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WFRV News
URL Source: http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/PTSD ... -Administration-123912814.html
Published: Jun 15, 2011
Author: WFRV News
Post Date: 2011-06-18 14:20:09 by bush_is_a_moonie
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Views: 222
Comments: 24
While the war rages on in Afghanistan the military continues to cope with a battle here at home, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. To date, the military has diagnosed 78,000 cases of PTSD, but the Veteran's Administration says that number is inaccurate. The V.A. say the real number is closer to 800,000. To catch up with numbers like that the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend new programs to help both soldiers and their families. "There's so many people out there who are missing out and it's hard because you don't want to see other people going through what you went through," said Katelyn Taylor, wife of soldier suffering from PTSD. The Pentagon expects the number of soldiers battling PTSD to continue to climb. The military's latest mental health survey of combat troops in Afghanistan found 20 percent, one in five, suffering from acute stress, depression or anxiety. http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/...ran-s-administration.html
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#1. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
I'm an Army, Artillery '65='68, vet. I can't grasp the problem so Many of these kids are having. I've talked to several in recent years in detail about their time in the Army and how they feel they "earned" PTSD comp. It's Easy Money, forever.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
so pretty much it's the lazy welfare queen entitlement mentality. for soldiers?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I personally know of a veteran serving in the Army who used his bad childhood as the basis for ptsd instead of stress from the military service. He's in his early 60's. He got veterans compensation alright. He told me that if they knew the truth they would have taken him off the compensation and he'd have to go to work just like all the rest of us. He has always hated working for other people and managed to pull this number off. What makes me mad about this is that it takes away the credibility of those who not only have served in the military but were out there on the forefront putting their lives in danger to protect this country. And for what. They come back. Are spit at and refused veterans assistance and even medical attention.
Not in all cases, no. I'd be very suspicious of those who were not in a Combat MOS, though. The Combat Arms (Infantry, Artillery, Armor,Army Aviation (e.g., Attack Helicopter and Air Cavalry units) Special Forces, Combat Engineer) are the main ones that come to mind. Otherwise close questions need to be asked. I don't rule out anyone unless the circumstances are known. I just believe, from what I've learned in recent years thru direct exposure, that many, many are after the comp checks.
I know a couple myself.
Translation: We haven't hooked enough of them on anti-depressants to keep them under control, and take away their right to own a weapon. This really scares our political leaders and irritates Big Pharma because it is an entire market segment that they could push drugs to.
I've had Good Experience with V.A., but us old goats are dying off fast. The V.A. hospital I spent a fair amount of time in was undergoing a major expansion recently. I asked what was happening and was told the huge addition was for 'Mental Rehab'. It's the Future for V.A.
Locally, lots of soldiers with mental issues are farmed out to a civilian behavioral center (off post), or whatever they call it.
Brown Water Navy here... Delta Devils in country 69-70. PTSD is just another way of admitting they poison us while we are doing their dirty work and making them money.
From what my 30 year USAF full col. FIL told me, the retirement physicals for the officers somehow nearly always found something wrong in order to get the monthly check. He chose not to participate in the scam.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.
He chose not to participate in the scam." I was 3 yr. R.A., 2yrs Artillery, then the last 14 mo. on the Ft.Hood Pistol Team. About 3 yrs ago They put me in Hearing Aids with 40% hearing loss, no comp., didn't ask for any. I appreciated it much, but it aggravated/clarified the Tinnitus I've had since the Army. There was NO testing for that when I ETS'd. Last December, I got fed up with it, it'll drive you Crazy, (that's my excuse, I'm stickin' to it!:-), and filed with DAV to handle it. My Wifes best friend is retired AF, almost exclusively was Recruiting, and draws 30% hearing loss comp, has since she retired about 15 years ago. I don't believe it pays much, but now I could use it to offset the Co-Pays I've got. Because the doctor (he said "live with it") 40 yrs ago. it dead, no records left, Veteran's is still diddling on it. I provided pictures, citations (written) several times now, still no determination. Oh well.
Mrs.L has a 30+year career with the Disability Determination part of SSA - I'll get her take on it. And yes, back in the day, I used no hearing protection either. For under $20, theraspyrabbit.com has the Browning ear plugs used by our guys and NATO, if you're still shooting.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.
I'd sure appreciate that. Might just be normal, average timing. They send me a letter every now and then says 'still working on it'.
B --- 1167 records.
One thing that would really get them working on it, is a call or a letter from your Congress-critter. Even the most stupid agencies snap to when their funders speak.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.
One of the reasons for this miscalculation was DELIBERATE chicanery by the VA. Knowing that PTSD was very frequent among Vietnam vets and expensive for the VA to diagnose, the VA had a rule, until about 1991, that REQUIRED that all psych diagnoses be done according to the Third edition of the DSM (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Assn) .... which didn't have an entry for PTSD. Therefore the VA's own doctors could not mention PTSD and the diagnoses made by real doctors could be ignore because PTSD did not translate into the VA's official nomenclature. So the usual VA-accepted diagnosis was "Personality Disorder" -- that is, something pre-enlistment and not covered by the VA at all. I should add that, by 1991, DSM3 was about fifteen years out of print, having been replaced by DSM4 which had an extensive entry for PTSD and related ailments. Anyway, by relying on that bit of red tape, the VA was able to cheat thousands of combat vets out of millions of benefits.(The VA pulled an analogous stunt to cheat Vietnam vets out of coverage for the multitude of ailments caused by Agent Orange exposure.) In 1991 the VA was finally yanked into line -- it adopted a rule making DSM4 its official manual just as DSM4 went out of print and was replaced by DSM4R! A lot of vets who had previously been screwed out of their rightful claims got something - usually nothing retroactive but at least current treatment. Of course, by then, a lot of PTSD-afflicted vets had (1) died - sometimes by suicide or by self-destructive behavior such as "self-medication" with booze or street drugs, (2) been incarcerated - possibly for misbehavior that might be attributed to their PTSD, or (3) were too far gone to manage a new VA application.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Thanks for the information. One brother-in-law came back really screwed up. I knew him briefly, we talked a lot. It wasn't the Combat that screwed him up, it was the drugs. Killed himself after 6-7 yrs. Two others have about the same attitude I do about Life; "It's a bitch, but it's the best we got!". Blowing your brains out only leaves victims. Before I had a transplant a V.A Psychiatrist got to know me. A lot of questions, tests, infiltrators (underlings just shootin' the bull). They were going to make sure I wasn't going to cash out easily. Quite an experience.
Very true, and it pisses me off. Now that I'm old the whole "compensation" thing just seems to be part of the Plan; create dependence.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Somewhere back in my parochial upbringing I was taught that Civilizations lasted no more than approximately 200 years. Thinking about ours, I guess that was about Right! :-)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#2. To: bush_is_a_moonie, *US INDUSTRIAL WAR MACHINE* (#0)
#3. To: ndcorup (#1)
#4. To: ndcorup (#1)
#5. To: ndcorup (#1)
#6. To: Artisan (#4)
"so pretty much it's the lazy welfare queen entitlement mentality. for soldiers?"
#7. To: purplerose (#5)
#8. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
The V.A. say the real number is closer to 800,000.
#9. To: Original_Intent (#8)
"The V.A. say the real number is closer to 800,000."
#10. To: ndcorup (#9)
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I asked what was happening and was told the huge addition was for 'Mental Rehab'.
#11. To: ndcorup (#6)
#12. To: ndcorup, 4 (#6)
I just believe, from what I've learned in recent years thru direct exposure, that many, many are after the comp checks.
#13. To: Lod, Fred Mertz. (#12)
"From what my 30 year USAF full col. FIL told me, the retirement physicals for the officers somehow nearly always found something wrong in order to get the monthly check.
#14. To: ndcorup (#13)
#15. To: Lod (#14)
"Mrs.L has a 30+year career with the Disability Determination part of SSA - I'll get her take on it. "
#16. To: Lod (#14)
#17. To: ndcorup (#15)
They send me a letter every now and then says 'still working on it'.
#18. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
#19. To: ndcorup (#1)
#20. To: Shoonra (#18)
#21. To: Eric Stratton (#19)
"Well hey, everyone else is in gimme, gimme, gimme mode, why not them too."
#22. To: ndcorup (#21)
#23. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
"They cycles of human history always seem to culminate with a destruction of societies due to immoral rampancy."
#24. To: ndcorup (#23)
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