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Title: Mathematicians Want to Say Goodbye to Pi
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/mathematicians-want-goodbye-pi-154001699.html
Published: Jul 2, 2011
Author: staff
Post Date: 2011-07-02 03:10:47 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 503
Comments: 7

"I know it will be called blasphemy by some, but I believe that pi is wrong."

That's the opening line of a watershed essay written in 2001 by mathematician Bob Palais of the University of Utah. In "Pi is Wrong!" Palais argued that, for thousands of years, humans have been focusing their attention and adulation on the wrong mathematical constant.

Two times pi, not pi itself, is the truly sacred number of the circle, Palais contended. We should be celebrating and symbolizing the value that is equal to approximately 6.28 — the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius — and not to the 3.14'ish ratio of its circumference to its diameter (a largely irrelevant property in geometry).

Last year, Palais' followers gave the new constant, 2pi, a name: tau. Since then, the tau movement has steadily grown, with its members hoping to replace pi as it appears in textbooks and calculators with tau, the true idol of math. Yesterday — 6/28 — they even celebrated Tau Day in math events worldwide.

But is pi really "wrong"? And if it is, why is tau better?

The mathematicians aren't saying that pi has been wrongly calculated. Its value is still approximately 3.14, as it always was. Rather they argue that 3.14 isn't the value that matters most when it comes to circles. Palais originally argued that pi should be changed to equal 6.28 while others prefer giving that number a new name altogether.

Kevin Houston, a mathematician at the University of Leeds in the U.K. who has made a YouTube video to explain all the advantages of tau over pi, said the most compelling argument for tau is that it is a much more natural number to use in the fields of math involving circles, like geometry, trigonometry and even advanced calculus.

"When measuring angles, mathematicians don't use degrees, they use radians," Houston enthusiastically told Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site to LiveScience. "There are 2pi radians in a circle. This means one quarter of a circle corresponds to half of pi. That is, one quarter corresponds to a half. That's crazy. Similarly, three quarters of a circle is three halves of pi. Three quarters corresponds to three halves!" [A Real Pie Chart: America's Favorite Pies]

"Let's now use tau," he continued. "One quarter of a circle is one quarter of tau. One quarter corresponds to one quarter! Isn't that sensible and easy to remember? Similarly, three quarters of a circle is three quarters of tau." Making tau equal to the full angular turn through a circle, he said, is "so easy and would prevent math, physics and engineering students from making silly errors."

A better teaching tool

Aside from preventing errors, as Palais put it in his article, "The opportunity to impress students with a beautiful and natural simplification has turned into an absurd exercise in memorization and dogma."

Indeed, other tau advocates have said they've noticed a significant improvement in the ability of students to learn math, especially geometry and trigonometry where factors of 2pi show up the most, when the students learn with tau rather than pi.

Though 2pi appears much more often in calculations than does pi by itself (in fact, mathematicians often accidentally drop or ad that extra factor of 2 in their calculations), "there is no need for pi to be eradicated," Houston said. "You might say I'm not anti-pi, I'm pro-tau. Hence, anyone could use pi when they had a calculation involving half of tau."

Tau, the 19th letter of the Greek alphabet, was chosen independently as the symbol for 2pi by Michael Hartl, physicist and mathematician and author of "The Tau Manifesto," and Peter Harremoës, a Danish information theorist. In an email, Houston explained their choice: "It looks a bit like pi and is the Greek 't,' so fits well with the idea of turn. (Since tau is used in angles you can talk about one quarter turn and so on.)"

Pi is too ingrained in our culture and our math to succumb to tau overnight, but the movement pushes ever onward. "Change will be incremental," Houston said.

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You say Tau is Pi times 2. I say Pi is Tau divided by 2. See, you don't need pi to figure out tau. Pi is defined as the constant ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter. Tau is defined as the constant ratio of any circle's circumference to its radius. If everyone switched over to using tau, pi would disappear into history, and math would actually become a little bit easier to learn and use.

Of course this ignores the fact that a circle is DEFINED by its radius: the set of all point equidistant from a central point - not the set of all point HALF a given distance from a central point. It also ignores the fact that these trig values it claims to simplify are based on the radius of a circle - not half a tau. They called radian for a reason - they are exprexssed in terms of the radius. Finaly the area of a circle or any any value involving r squared becomes 1/4 tau squared - much more confusing than simply explaining that the diameter is twice the radius.

the Greek letter À is defined as the ratio of the circumference of the circle to its diameter. That means the circumfrence is 3.141 592 653 589 793.............. times greater than the diameter.

The term 2*Pi pops up EVERYWHERE in math and engineering. All they are saying is that many equations wouldn't be quite so long if we just started calling the number Tau.

Why can't they compromise and call it "pitau". It's a very easy term to remember every time you bean someone in the back of the head with a baseball or pimp slap some broad. It can work.

I kind of get this guy's point, but lets face it, when pi was first defined these guys were trying to make really nice wheels. They weren't very concerned about time and frequency domain equations.

Did you hear about the constipated mathematician? He worked it out with a pencil.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2011-07-02   6:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Pi are not squared, pi are round, corn bread are squared.


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Critter  posted on  2011-07-02   8:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tatarewicz (#1)

The term 2*Pi pops up EVERYWHERE in math and engineering. All they are saying is that many equations wouldn't be quite so long if we just started calling the number Tau.

Eliminating those 2*Pi expressions seems to be the end result. They're arguing it is more directly conceptual to students.

TooConservative  posted on  2011-07-02   9:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Sounds like they want their pi and eat it too.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2011-07-02   12:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Well I guess students will just have to suffer the old-fashioned way when they learn about spheres.

What a bunch of goddamn nonsense. Revoke their tenure if they've got nothing better to do.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-07-02   12:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

I took calculus and even advanced calculus to understand that there are degrees in equations when plotting numbers in gridforms say for an engineering class. The term Tau is used in advanced calculus in setting up an equation form for plotting numbers and coordinated in linear or nonlinear mathematical problems. It is also used in Trignometry.

For somebody to mix Pi with an advanced form of mathematics, is confusing especially to newcombers trying to understand basic algebra as well as understanding calculus.

Remember that in order to understand the concepts of calculus, one must understand the basics of algebra before moving onto the next level. And to replace Pi with Tau is a major mistake.

Many times, I and a friend of mine had gone through a calculus textbook to discover countless errors.

I am no mathematician. However, I do know that Pi is a basic form of Math which covers Geometry. Such as 2Pi r/2. This is basic material.

To replace Pi with Tau makes no sense whatsoever.

purplerose  posted on  2011-07-03   1:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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