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Title: Clothes, the Culprit of Vitamin D Deficieny.
Source: Medicinewatch
URL Source: http://medicinewatch.blogspot.com/2 ... ing-culprit-of-vitamin-d3.html
Published: Jul 11, 2011
Author: ?
Post Date: 2011-07-11 20:18:26 by Armadillo
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Views: 2031
Comments: 174

Disrobing the Culprit of Vitamin D3 Deficiency.

Could it be that social evolution has made vitamin D deficiency a necessary evil? Studies have shown favorable effects on insulin secretion and insulin resistance in type 2 diabetic patients who received vitamin D3 supplementation.

The study evaluated 10 females with type 2 diabetes. The patients enrolled in the study treated their diabetes with oral medications. The study was conducted in March, when levels of vitamin D are lowest due to lack of sunlight. A group of 17 females with normal glucose tolerance served as a control group. The diabetic patients were treated for a month with vitamin D3. After the month, the patient's receiving vitamin D3 had increased their insulin secretion levels significantly by 34.3%. The results showed a decrease of 21.4% in insulin resistance after one month of vitamin D3 supplementation.

Back in the day, our ancestors would have full body exposure to the sun throughout the year. Nowadays, that number has been reduced to a mere 5% with only our face and hands acting as a welcome mat for the sun. A major source of vitamin D is its production in our skin as a result of UV exposure from sunlight. Lest we not take Mother Nature's generosity for granted. Everybody looks good with a little color. It'll look even better when your A1c drops as your sun-kissed glow picks up. If all else fails - you can always run off to a nudist colony where social reservations and clothing are optional!

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See y'all down at the nudist club.
Show those pasty white buns some sun.

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#71. To: Eric Stratton (#69)

I've determined it must be the first because I know of only a handful of people so narcisistic i that way and they all have significant emotional validation issues of one sort or another.

And the correct response is compassion. Hard for men I know but it is doable with practice.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-13   21:14:00 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: wudidiz (#29)

Btw, "mean people suck" applies to incidents such as when mean people do mean things to people that don't deserve it.

That is exactly what you are doing.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-13   21:15:39 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: farmfriend, All (#70)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-13   21:22:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: farmfriend (#71)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-13   21:24:34 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Eric Stratton (#74)

Time to Ignore this one.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments

Lod  posted on  2011-07-13   22:06:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Lod (#75)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-13   22:10:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Eric Stratton (#74)

Posts #69, #73 and #74

I could not have said it better myself. I'm sure you speak for more than a few of us.


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-07-13   22:23:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: wudidiz (#77)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-13   22:24:33 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Eric Stratton, farmfriend, wudidiz, Armadillo (#73)

To be honest, I wasn't even primarily referring to his "nudist" stuff, I'm referring to a whole slew of other stuff that's borderline filth that simply does not belong in any civil forum on topics such as we discuss here, if and assuming it wants to be taken seriously by new and/or infrequent readers that may not understand that we have people here simply vying for personal validation and affection due to unresolved sexual issues/abuses they may or may not have had when they were children or adolescents.

From the best that I can tell that's all that anyone was originally referring to, and wud I'm guessing simply just got fed up, which quite frankly I had been expecting by one or more posters for quite some time now.

Generally that which I find tasteless I simply ignore. I've dropped in on a couple of 'dillo threads that I did not care for and so simply ignored the thread thereafter.

While I tend to more or less conventional in my moral attitudes (not a saint, not a prude) I have enough of a libertarian streak to play the "live and let live" view.

Whatever the genesis of dillo's viewpoint he is welcome to it. I don't share it so when I find his bizarre humor interesting I play and when I find it tasteless I don't.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-07-13   22:55:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Eric Stratton (#73)

I have other things to do with my time, and I'm also one of at least a handful of regular civil posters that contribute to the critical thinking parts of discussions here that thinks much of what Armadillo posts is over the top in one capacity or another.

so apparently this has all been discussed behind the scenes with everyone but the one person that counts. I have less respect for behind the scenes gossip than I do for anything that has been openly posted on the forum.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-13   23:49:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Original_Intent (#79)

While I tend to more or less conventional in my moral attitudes (not a saint, not a prude) I have enough of a libertarian streak to play the "live and let live" view.

Whatever the genesis of dillo's viewpoint he is welcome to it. I don't share it so when I find his bizarre humor interesting I play and when I find it tasteless I don't.

That is more in line with what I would have expected from members of this forum. I think that is what Dillo tried to say in one of his earlier posts but it wasn't as eloquent.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-13   23:55:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Original_Intent, Eric Stratton (#79) (Edited)

Generally that which I find tasteless I simply ignore. I've dropped in on a couple of 'dillo threads that I did not care for and so simply ignored the thread thereafter.

While I tend to more or less conventional in my moral attitudes (not a saint, not a prude) I have enough of a libertarian streak to play the "live and let live" view.

Whatever the genesis of dillo's viewpoint he is welcome to it. I don't share it so when I find his bizarre humor interesting I play and when I find it tasteless I don't.

Very respectful position, OI.

Unlike you, I found it tasteless and played. So did Eric and FL.


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-07-14   0:45:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: wudidiz (#82)

I believe in free will too.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-07-14   1:46:01 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: farmfriend (#81)

,,,but it wasn't as eloquent.

Please say that to my publisher. ;-)

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-07-14   1:47:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Original_Intent (#83) (Edited)

I believe in free will too.

Then whatever you do don't get married.


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-07-14   2:46:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend, wudidiz, christine (#79) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   8:18:25 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: farmfriend, All (#80) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   8:35:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: farmfriend, All (#81) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   8:40:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: wudidiz, All (#82) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   8:50:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: wudidiz (#85)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   8:51:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Eric Stratton (#88)

As well, are there limits in your mind to some of the stuff that he posts? [again, serious question]

No, there isn't. I wish there were an adult section for the raunchier talk but there isn't. I wish people had engaged Dillo privately about the topic, found out the cause and perhaps counseled him on it's appropriateness but that didn't happen.

I used to engage in such talk privately but even though it was private I was still ostracized and demeaned for it. I was even banned from a non public adult forum for it, to protect the children mind you. I stopped, bringing it down to what you currently see on the open forum. People think it is wrong to have an openly sexual and aggressive female even in private and they will do what ever it takes to enforce their beliefs on every situation. I don't have a "nudist resort" where I can take it.

Relatedly, in your mind does most of what he posts in this manner line up with the general theme and overall ideology of 4um? [again, serious question]

I don't have a problem with it or I would have said something to Dillo prior to this thread. and that is really for christine to decide. I also think that you and wudidiz's reactions are not in keeping with the 4um. I'm dismayed and appalled and questioning my own presence here.

Where does his STFU directed at me over accepting his crap or hitting the highway fit into your assessment of the situation here? [serious question]

He over reacted to your posts because of the extreme hurt he felt from wudidiz's crap. And I told him this in private. FWIW, you also over reacted, failing to see it for what it was, a defensive reflex reaction. I would have preferred seeing a kind word from you instead. Perhaps a Dude, mellow, I wasn't attacking you, but perhaps you could dial the sex stuff back a bit. Instead you got defensive yourself. I'm the queen of defensiveness so I get that but I also know it doesn't work.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-14   11:17:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: farmfriend, christine (#91)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   12:48:39 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: farmfriend (#91)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   12:50:41 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Eric Stratton (#92)

So let's start there, shall we. W/o addressing that first, there really is no sense in taking it further. Again, I've not heard any kind of apology or indication, from him, that might suggest that that was totally uncalled for. All I hear is you defending him for being a great guy otherwise. You don't see any contradiction here? Given that that's where this began with this balloon going up, I dare say, he did it to himself.

He hasn't been on the web since I told him he over reacted. There hasn't been time. I'll read the rest of your post when I get home from work. Don't count on me answering. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing left for me on this forum. Perhaps Buck is right and chit chat channels aren't worth the time.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-14   13:12:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Eric Stratton (#92)

That's ridiculous. I wasn't attacking him, which should be plain to see for anyone here.

That's my point, he didn't see it. He has a hard time with that and gently pointing it out was the better option.

Am I finger pointing at you? Yes, just as you are pointing at his behavior, I'm pointing to yours.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-14   13:19:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: farmfriend (#94)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   13:23:22 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: farmfriend (#95)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   13:27:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Eric Stratton (#92)

You say I got defensive? ... ROFLMAO, ... yeah, a STFU directed at you will typically do that in a forum.

Try it a few times and see if it doesn't spawn what you call defensiveness.

Sigh. I've been there already or did you miss that? Members of this forum have repeatedly attacked me personally, calling into question my integrity and motivations. Not one person rushed to my defense, so I'm under no illusions. My response was to stick to the facts of the discussion, ignoring the personal attacks. I have developed a reputation for that in fact. I've had hangman's nooses posted to me suggesting I should die, I've had cock roaches with my name on them. I've had a poster on this forum post pictures of snakes suggesting that I was dishonest and a snake in the grass. I've had posters on this forum suggest I'm a shill for oil companies. I've had one person on this forum tell everyone in PMs about my personal habits claiming I was collecting personal information on people. One of these posters was even mentioned on this thread. When your STFU matches what I've gone through I might have some sympathy. But I would be the only one. Sympathy on this or any forum is in short supply.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-14   13:28:57 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Eric Stratton (#97) (Edited)

Well, then he )(not you for him) has to learn how to correct that, doesn't he.

yes he does but he is not going to get there the way you are handling it.

I challenge you to find anything at all that I wrote that was directed at him that even remotely approaches that.

There is a valid explanation for his perceptions on this matter but it should not be discussed on the open forum.

Otherwise, amidst my asking you to do so, you still have not pointed out the moral deficiencies in "my behavior" in the matter.

Yes I have but you missed it.


"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith

farmfriend  posted on  2011-07-14   13:33:00 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: farmfriend (#98)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   13:52:51 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: farmfriend (#99)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   14:03:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Eric Stratton (#101)

www.youtube.com/watch? v=FClGhto1vIg


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-07-14   14:21:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: wudidiz (#102)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   14:28:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Eric Stratton, all (#92)

I've not heard any kind of apology or indication, from him, that might suggest that that was totally uncalled for.

I realize now that being told to STFU is very traumatising to you, and was totally uncalled for.
I sincerely apologize for the agony it must have put you through.



Once you go armadillo, you never go back.

Armadillo  posted on  2011-07-14   14:54:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: farmfriend, Eric Stratton (#98)

I've had one person on this forum tell everyone in PMs about my personal habits claiming I was collecting personal information on people. One of these posters was even mentioned on this thread.

If I were you FF, I'd learn to accept the fact you're wrong and stop trying to stir up more shit.

But if you want to sling some more mud, exactly who IS this person who so wronged you that he or she decided to tell EVERYONE ON 4UM that you had been getting quite personal with certain individuals and asking for personal info?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-07-14   15:12:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Armadillo, All (#104) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   15:14:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Armadillo (#104)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   15:17:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#107)

I'll just come out and say it and make a request, for at least several, why don't you just quit posting here and help clean the place up a bit!

Request denied. I will post here as often as I care to about anything I wish, until Christine says otherwise or bans me.
I have done nothing wrong here, except say "STFU" to you and over-reacted a bit, for which I have apologized.
This is Freedom4um, not Fascist4um.

You also keep implying that others here agree with you.
Not that it matters but give me names. Post them here. Full disclosure. Lets have the names.

Some of us truly enjoy having conversations without threads involving visions of penises and sugar plum fairies dancing in our heads all but 24/7.
Good news. This forum is equiped with a Bozo list. This list will prevent you from being exposed to persons or opinions you find objectionable. You are free to use it.
If you dont know how to use it I would be happy to assist you.



Once you go armadillo, you never go back.

Armadillo  posted on  2011-07-14   15:57:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: all (#108)

youtu.be/3aVbJhg23Ao


No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-07-14   16:15:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Armadillo (#108)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   16:16:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: wudidiz (#109)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-07-14   16:19:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  



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