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Title: Clothes, the Culprit of Vitamin D Deficieny.
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URL Source: http://medicinewatch.blogspot.com/2 ... ing-culprit-of-vitamin-d3.html
Published: Jul 11, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-07-11 20:18:26 by Armadillo
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Comments: 174
Disrobing the Culprit of Vitamin D3 Deficiency. Could it be that social evolution has made vitamin D deficiency a necessary evil? Studies have shown favorable effects on insulin secretion and insulin resistance in type 2 diabetic patients who received vitamin D3 supplementation. The study evaluated 10 females with type 2 diabetes. The patients enrolled in the study treated their diabetes with oral medications. The study was conducted in March, when levels of vitamin D are lowest due to lack of sunlight. A group of 17 females with normal glucose tolerance served as a control group. The diabetic patients were treated for a month with vitamin D3. After the month, the patient's receiving vitamin D3 had increased their insulin secretion levels significantly by 34.3%. The results showed a decrease of 21.4% in insulin resistance after one month of vitamin D3 supplementation. Back in the day, our ancestors would have full body exposure to the sun throughout the year. Nowadays, that number has been reduced to a mere 5% with only our face and hands acting as a welcome mat for the sun. A major source of vitamin D is its production in our skin as a result of UV exposure from sunlight. Lest we not take Mother Nature's generosity for granted. Everybody looks good with a little color. It'll look even better when your A1c drops as your sun-kissed glow picks up. If all else fails - you can always run off to a nudist colony where social reservations and clothing are optional! Poster Comment: See y'all down at the nudist club.
Show those pasty white buns some sun.
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Lets not get extreme now. However I do wear shorts and short sleeve shirt with normally sandals or slip-ons for most of the summer. Since I spend a fair amount of time outside in the garden I suspect I am getting a lot more "D" than most.
Nothing extreme. It's 100% natural. No they didn't. From Kentucky north, the wind and snow blows from December thru March. And you either covered up or froze to death. And even if you were too stupid to cover up, the amount of UV/Vit D received from the sun in the northern climes is zip during the winter. The only way to receive appropriate levels of vitamin D in the north is with supplementation. That's why all my ancestors died in October - December, when vitamin D levels were plummeting.
In the summer you can only get so much vitamin D from the sun, you can not get more because the body only lets so much to be made through the skin. Most get more than they need in the summer from their face and arms alone. Blacks however might need to take their shirts off around noon to get their vitamin D, but for whites there is no need to do that.
God is always good!
I suppose you could get all the D you need by exposing your big toe to sunlight all day. However the rest of the pasty-white body is missing out on the benefits. Your skin only produces enough vitamin D from sun exposure that you need, after that it stops producing vitamin D from sun exposure. You can't get more vitamin D from more exposure after you already have what you need. Your body won't let you.
God is always good!
I am in New England. If I don't want to see New England women in shorts; I sure as hell don't want to see them naked. No way, no how.
lol. are you saying NE women aren't attractive?
My understanding is that it is not possible for most people to receive the amount of vitamin D from the sun that some doctors recommend, especially in the winter. For instance, Dr. William Davis, a cardiologist who runs a blog called the Heart Scan Blog, is a big advocate of vitamin D and recommends that vitamin D in the body be between 60 - 70 ng/ml. Most other medical professionals that believe in the benefits of vitamin D recommend around the same levels. That's like three or four times what the government recommends. I take 4,000 IU's a day - two in the morning and two at night. It's real important though to have your vitamin D levels monitored every six months because too much vitamin D can actually cause harm. My vitamin D levels have slowing risen over the last six months. When I was first tested, my D level was 32 ng/ml. After six months of taking 4,000 IU's a day a day it rose to 48 ng/ml. I'm hoping that when I get tested three months from now that it will be between the 60 - 70 ng/ml range. Once there, I will back off some and maybe only take 2 or 3,000 IU's. A word of caution. If you are going to take supplemental vitamin D in high levels, try not to take it all at one time. Split it up so that you are taking it two or three times a day. Too much vitamin D at one time can cause damage to your kidneys, especially if you are taking 6,000 or more IU's a day.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Way too many 36-46-56'ers pushing strollers 'round the hood...the main reason I wear horse blinders when working in the garden.
Yikes! Checking my bottle, I see that I've been taking 10,000IUs at a time. Maybe that's why my back hurts. Thanks for the information.
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Checking my bottle, I see that I've been taking 10,000IUs at a time. Maybe that's why my back hurts. Thanks for the information. Wow. That's quite a bit, although I have read other cases where people have had to take that amount and more because their D levels weren't budging. It's best to break it up though. Have you ever had your blood levels checked to see what they are? If not, it would benefit you greatly to do so. Vitamin D toxicity can cause kidney and liver damage due to hypercalcemia (too much calcium in the blood).
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, but what if you sunburn the little soldier?
"THRUSH believes in the two-party system: the masters and the slaves." -- Napoleon Solo, "The Man From U.N.C.L.E."
It's almost time for another physical, and I'll definitely ask for a thorough blood work-up. I'll immediately back off to 5000IUs/day.
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The vitamin D blood test is not part of your routine blood tests. You have to specifically ask for it. There are two separate vitamin D blood tests. The one you need is the 25-hydroxyvitamin D test (also known as the 25(OH)D test). Your insurance may or may not pay for it. As for taking the 10000 IU's a day, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's doubtful that you have vitamin D toxicity, especially if you weigh more than 200 lbs. The numbers I've seen say that a good starting point is 1000 IU's per 25 lbs of body weight. Even then, the body doesn't store vitamin D until your blood levels reach 50 ng/ml. Everything below that is used by the body. I would think about splitting the amount up though because there are studies that have shown kidney damage if 6000 or more IU's are taken at one time for long periods of time. I don't know if that's conclusive, but why take the chance? That's just my opinion though.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
"Vlad the Impaler" is sunburned right now, on the head. I have a cheap inflatable raft that sags alot in the middle, submerging my hip area. Vlad floats, so his head bobs around at the water surface. Thus, sunburn. It seems people are only thinking about D production. Yes, the body only makes so much, but the more surface area involved in the production the better. And exposre to sunlight has benifits beyond D. I know I feel GREAT after a weekend nude in the sun. On my last vacation I spent seven days nude and was able to stop taking St Johns Wort. Now it's over and I'm back on the SJW.
New Englanders come to Florida in the winter and stay at our nudist clubs. A seven-month break for me...yahoo!
oh don't use that, you'll dry him out.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
i was told by my health guru that it's more beneficial to take 50k IUs of vitamin D once a week than to take it daily. i've been doing that for some time now.
That's the first time I've ever heard of that, but I'm certainly no expert, only repeating information gleaned from my research on the matter.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
who knows? for every opinion you hear one day, the next you hear the opposite. ;)
I have a cheap inflatable raft that sags alot in the middle, submerging my hip area. Vlad floats, so his head bobs around at the water surface. Thus, sunburn..... me and my weiner... blah blah blah Who gives a fuck about your stupid weiner. You. That's it. Fuckin weirdo.
I like my dick. My favorite body part. How about you come up here to the true north strong and free and I'll knock you out and piss in your mouth you perv freak. Whatever dude. You have boundary issues. No sense as to what's appropriate to write on a public political board. And you're dumb.
"Mean people suck", hypocrite.
Well there you go.
Lets examine what just happened here. Wudidiz? It iz hypocritical it seems.
Sorry dude, I just think you're an ignorant, closeminded, self-righteous, assholish moron. Nothing personal. Btw, "mean people suck" applies to incidents such as when mean people do mean things to people that don't deserve it. I'm not a mean person and you deserve it. Asshole. I don't want characters like you as "friends". Fuckin weirdo.
Worse.. imagine a circumcised one getting sunburned? :-P
So the blackman orders a pint of of the Black Stuff in Hayes' pub in Moneygall, he hands the barman a Fiver and says; "I HOPE there is some CHANGE with that!" :-P
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Who gives a fuck about your stupid weiner. You. That's it. Fuckin weirdo. LMAO!! Since I have the silly boy on Bozo I would have never known about his comment until you commented on it. Some people have no sense of humor.
"THRUSH believes in the two-party system: the masters and the slaves." -- Napoleon Solo, "The Man From U.N.C.L.E."
Nothing personal. he is none of those, it is personal and you are being an ass.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
LOLOL
That's what is strange. You have issues if the mention of a dick throws you into such a pointless rage. Who cares? If you want to discuss something of any substance, how bout you answer this question?
I think Armadillo believes he's just too sexy for his clothes...
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
That might be the true meaning of the lyrics "so sexy it hurts"... :)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
No. I (and nudists in general) do not associate nudity with sex.
Being a nudsit is part of who I am and my experiences. I has helped me more than you can possibly ever understand. Yet, you talk about your dick a lot.
Every chance he gets. He even posted a thread so he can talk about his dick. Hey, it's this thread ; )
A Marine DI would tell you there's a difference between your "gun" and your rifle.
It's a body part. Would you have issues if I talked about my arm? No. He even names it "Vlad the Impaler"... No, it's not about sex, of course not.
Do you have a pet name for your arm as well? Would you tell us how your arm floated in the water and stuff?
He's dishonest. That's why he can't or won't see the truth about 9/11. You know.
Tell him to STFU? How bout you STFU? Keep mentioning it. I'll keep telling you how much of an assclown you're making of yourself on a public political board. lol
Hahahahaha Dude your confused. I've been to nudist beaches. I like them. I'm married. I get laid. I have children. I have a dick too. I just don't discuss it regularly in public. Amongst mixed company. The point is.... here.... memorize this: Some of your posts are considered to be inappropriate. Period.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
No, but it seems to be the focal point of yours and wudidiz life. People here like to talk big about fascism and freedom, but what it comes to is y'all are just as fascist as those you rail against. lmao
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
What about Turtle?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Just kidding. I didn't ping him cuz he has me on bozo. Oh no. /s
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
LOL. In other words, you're full of shit and just casuing trouble. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
It is not a matter of growing up. It is a matter of...well...I hate to say self esteem but that is what it boils down to. Dillo has suffered things in his childhood that most of us never have to deal with. Posting here is more like therapy for him, brings him out of his shell and allows him to interact with others in a safe and non threatening environment. Having been there and done that, I get it. He keeps it light hearted and bizarrely humorous. Ironically, anything more would be too revealing for him. I find him fun and a nice break from the growing crap we have to deal with in this country. Besides the nudist camp he also enjoys art photography. Only a select few get to see that side of him. I feel honored and privileged. I know how hard it can be, hurting, reaching out only to be slapped down. You find out real quick that most people are insensitive, uncaring jerks. I choose not to be one of those. Like being a hard core libertarian, it can be a tough road to walk. I know why Jesus wept.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
And the correct response is compassion. Hard for men I know but it is doable with practice.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
That is exactly what you are doing.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Time to Ignore this one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
I could not have said it better myself. I'm sure you speak for more than a few of us.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
From the best that I can tell that's all that anyone was originally referring to, and wud I'm guessing simply just got fed up, which quite frankly I had been expecting by one or more posters for quite some time now. Generally that which I find tasteless I simply ignore. I've dropped in on a couple of 'dillo threads that I did not care for and so simply ignored the thread thereafter. While I tend to more or less conventional in my moral attitudes (not a saint, not a prude) I have enough of a libertarian streak to play the "live and let live" view. Whatever the genesis of dillo's viewpoint he is welcome to it. I don't share it so when I find his bizarre humor interesting I play and when I find it tasteless I don't.
so apparently this has all been discussed behind the scenes with everyone but the one person that counts. I have less respect for behind the scenes gossip than I do for anything that has been openly posted on the forum.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
Whatever the genesis of dillo's viewpoint he is welcome to it. I don't share it so when I find his bizarre humor interesting I play and when I find it tasteless I don't. That is more in line with what I would have expected from members of this forum. I think that is what Dillo tried to say in one of his earlier posts but it wasn't as eloquent.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
While I tend to more or less conventional in my moral attitudes (not a saint, not a prude) I have enough of a libertarian streak to play the "live and let live" view. Whatever the genesis of dillo's viewpoint he is welcome to it. I don't share it so when I find his bizarre humor interesting I play and when I find it tasteless I don't. Very respectful position, OI. Unlike you, I found it tasteless and played. So did Eric and FL.
I believe in free will too.
Please say that to my publisher. ;-)
Then whatever you do don't get married.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
No, there isn't. I wish there were an adult section for the raunchier talk but there isn't. I wish people had engaged Dillo privately about the topic, found out the cause and perhaps counseled him on it's appropriateness but that didn't happen. I used to engage in such talk privately but even though it was private I was still ostracized and demeaned for it. I was even banned from a non public adult forum for it, to protect the children mind you. I stopped, bringing it down to what you currently see on the open forum. People think it is wrong to have an openly sexual and aggressive female even in private and they will do what ever it takes to enforce their beliefs on every situation. I don't have a "nudist resort" where I can take it. I don't have a problem with it or I would have said something to Dillo prior to this thread. and that is really for christine to decide. I also think that you and wudidiz's reactions are not in keeping with the 4um. I'm dismayed and appalled and questioning my own presence here. He over reacted to your posts because of the extreme hurt he felt from wudidiz's crap. And I told him this in private. FWIW, you also over reacted, failing to see it for what it was, a defensive reflex reaction. I would have preferred seeing a kind word from you instead. Perhaps a Dude, mellow, I wasn't attacking you, but perhaps you could dial the sex stuff back a bit. Instead you got defensive yourself. I'm the queen of defensiveness so I get that but I also know it doesn't work.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
He hasn't been on the web since I told him he over reacted. There hasn't been time. I'll read the rest of your post when I get home from work. Don't count on me answering. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing left for me on this forum. Perhaps Buck is right and chit chat channels aren't worth the time.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
That's my point, he didn't see it. He has a hard time with that and gently pointing it out was the better option. Am I finger pointing at you? Yes, just as you are pointing at his behavior, I'm pointing to yours.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Try it a few times and see if it doesn't spawn what you call defensiveness. Sigh. I've been there already or did you miss that? Members of this forum have repeatedly attacked me personally, calling into question my integrity and motivations. Not one person rushed to my defense, so I'm under no illusions. My response was to stick to the facts of the discussion, ignoring the personal attacks. I have developed a reputation for that in fact. I've had hangman's nooses posted to me suggesting I should die, I've had cock roaches with my name on them. I've had a poster on this forum post pictures of snakes suggesting that I was dishonest and a snake in the grass. I've had posters on this forum suggest I'm a shill for oil companies. I've had one person on this forum tell everyone in PMs about my personal habits claiming I was collecting personal information on people. One of these posters was even mentioned on this thread. When your STFU matches what I've gone through I might have some sympathy. But I would be the only one. Sympathy on this or any forum is in short supply.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
yes he does but he is not going to get there the way you are handling it. There is a valid explanation for his perceptions on this matter but it should not be discussed on the open forum. Yes I have but you missed it.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
www.youtube.com/watch? v=FClGhto1vIg
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
I realize now that being told to STFU is very traumatising to you, and was totally uncalled for. If I were you FF, I'd learn to accept the fact you're wrong and stop trying to stir up more shit. But if you want to sling some more mud, exactly who IS this person who so wronged you that he or she decided to tell EVERYONE ON 4UM that you had been getting quite personal with certain individuals and asking for personal info?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Request denied. I will post here as often as I care to about anything I wish, until Christine says otherwise or bans me. You also keep implying that others here agree with you. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
"The penis has no idea if he is the penis of a man with the lifespan of 74 years or the penis of a mayfly with the lifespan of a day so he always figures that he had better get cracking..." LOL
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
Now would be a good time to post the joke known as THE ARISTOCRATS. And, FWIW, American nudists are by definition insular and isolated, never forcing others to accept the practice of nudity. They don't disrobe and then go shopping, opting for private gatherings and retreats instead. (The majority don't advocate change or lobby to abolish public nudity laws either) But, apparently a virtual nudist (who according to farmfriend is wrestling with mental health issues) is unconcerned about offending the sensibilities of others. The fact that there are places where such posts would be welcome (and probably boring by comparison) doesn't seem to hold any attraction for him. Perhaps the shock factor is the thrill as is also the case with (mentally disordered) flashers, who are compelled to wave their junk at school girls. It's interesting to note that they are also well represented in prisons, and known as "gunslingers." The inmates who are compelled to flash female corrections officers can't seem to control themselves even though they're sure to be punished with pink jail clothing, loss of privileges, time in the hole, failure to make early parole, etc.,. They too are positively vicious in defense of their compulsions, masking the obvious fact that they have no choice but to show the world that their ego self portrait is linked to their arrested sexual development. (often while being defended by those with bad cases of penis envy) In different times there would be comprehensive studies to determine the root of these compulsions, such as potty training gone bad. Unfortunately, we're in the clutches of anally fixated tribalists who use their diplomas in the various psychological disciplines to try and convince us that NAMBLA is the norm and modest, discreet heterosexuals who as adults require no such validation ("look Mommy, I have a pee pee! And, it's sunburned!") are "uptight". If Armadillo and farmfriend prevail in moving the bar here and unfettered "sunburned penis chats" become the acceptable norm I'll be sure to locate a few bukake chat boards and invite the feces eaters (and their PHOTOBUCKET albums) over. After all, arbitrary standards are for assholes and what are you so uptight about? "Oh you'll wonder where the feces went when you brush your teeth with PEPSODENT"....
Then whatever you do don't get married. lol
Agreed. if there's been any private discussion about Dillo, it hasn't involved me.
This ongoing thread has nothing to do with offending the sensibilities, contrary to claims. If it were about sensibilities the issue would have been long over with the use of the BOZO LIST. Note that my repeated suggestion of the Bozo list has been rejected. It's not about sensibilities, it's about wud/eric ego. That's why they keep this going. On sensibilities in general, it is not my job to protect your sensibilities. If you truely are concerned about your sensibilities, use the Bozo list.
But if you want to sling some more mud, exactly who IS this person who so wronged you that he or she decided to tell EVERYONE ON 4UM that you had been getting quite personal with certain individuals and asking for personal info? NO problem. I was trying not to name anyone but since you bring it up. I asked for an address to mail a hand made Christmas card. Something I had done with several people at the time on several forum. You made it more than it was in order to defame me in PM. All because I had disagreed with you over thimerisol in vaccines and global warming. You and your best friend Robin at the time. You are the worst offender here as far as slinging mud. And I'm quite done with this forum. I'll go somewhere where libertarians are welcome.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
That's not the case but I won't even bother refuting it. Waste of my time. I may have forgiven but I haven't forgotten the crap you threw my way because I had offended your moral sensibilities.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
You may deny the request Dillo but I'm not. If my friends are welcome then neither am I. I don't seem to be one of those a fore mentioned people that contribute to the intellectual content of the forum. I'm gone.
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme, Star Wars III, Sith
Dillo, you know that I have a lot of tolerance and I am not a prude by any stretch, that said, I'm pretty certain that on more than one occasion, I have posted to you TMI (Too Much Information) hoping that you'd get the message as to boundaries. I started to type that, in response, to your sunburned penis post, but wud and others beat me to it. At this point, I feel badly about hurt feelings all around, but I have to agree that Freedom4um isn't the place for graphic sexual discourse. Otherwise, pretty much anything goes and you are still welcomed here as far as I'm concerned.
As far a nudists, you are 100% wrong. If a law can force you to wear clothes, why cant it force you to have health insurence? They are both products. Think about that.
I have not posted graphic sexual discourse. Sometimes freedom, and other peoples exercise of it, makes us uncomfortable. well, I'll just say that it seems we have a different opinion of what constitutes "graphic" and "trolls." ;)
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Because I'm the one being unfairly ATTACKED by you trolls, dumbass. If you and your dumbass canadian bed-buddy had not started this, I would not be mentioning it. I take back my previous apology. You are not worthy of one.
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You, Miz farmfriend, are a liar. It was YOU who decided to start biting at my ankles, and being that you WERE acting like a shill in certain pharmacutecal and oil industry related threads, I called a spade a spade. ADDITIONALLY, I was told that you were hounding men on 4um trying to get "lucky". I was ALSO told that you were trying to get personal info on people that you were "friends" with. I've kept most of this to myself for obvious reasons, but if you'd like I could go into specifics without naming names. Being that you have NOT buried the hatchet so to speak, even when months ago I extended an offer to so do and let the past lie where it will, you refused. You continue to drag up the exchange as if you were a rape victim, and play the part of a victim whenever you wish to garner sympathy for yourself, to make your chosen opponent appear to be a big mean prick. That in your mind is a "win". It is obvious that you are VERY interested in Dillo's "Impaler". You and he have gone back and forth so to speak over his dick for months. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you want some action perhaps you should go sign up for "Adult Friend Finder", that might very well be the place for you.
Mentioning that "Vlad the Impaler" floats in the water and his head bobs around IS sexual, at least to anyone with a clear mind.
Oh and BTW hot stuff, it was not me who contacted anyone about it, it was several people who sent me messages expressing their concerns. All I did was give a heads up regarding those concerns to a few I considered close friends here on 4um, not the entire forum.
"Vlad the Impaler" was a joke, in responce to Turtles question. There is nothing sexual about floating in a cheap raft, or a penis floating. To anyone with a clear mind, you're full of shit.
Some of us truly enjoy having conversations without This place is clean enough. I, for one, enjoy having Dillo here. If Dillo bothers you so much Eric, then please just put him on your Bozo filter and be done with it.....that's why we have a bozo filter after all. : ) Carpe Libertatum! : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Okay the drama on this thread is getting out of hand guys. You know I love you all so if you're pissed off at one another please put each other an bozo and move along........nothing to see here looky lous! It's getting more personal than necessary over an initial joke about a sunburn on "Vlad," IMHO. FF, sweetie, I think you are over-reacting. Now, don't club me for saying so. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Problem is, there are ladies and gentlemen and children that see this site too. Talking about wacking off and his dick is inappropriate. Bottom line. He can stop doing it or we'll keep telling him how inappropriate it is.
ladies and gentlemen and children If you, or any other poster who feels this way, puts him on bozo, you won't see it......neither will the kiddies or any ladies who are posting on the forum with you. : ) Personally, I don't have my kiddies check out the forum with me......too many pics, images, links, slurs, etc. But, I don't feel that we need to stifle the free speech of others under the guise of "FOR THE CHIBLIN!" Sorry, Wud, I'm not smokin' what you are rollin' on this one.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
There are posters here who post speech that I don't agree with and don't find appropriate, but I don't attempt to stifle them or shame them about it......I simply don't post to them when they are on a topic I don't care to have a conversation about and that works really well. ; ) Carpe Libertatum!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Personally, I don't have my kiddies check out the forum with me......too many pics, images, links, slurs, etc. But, I don't feel that we need to stifle the free speech of others under the guise of "FOR THE CHIBLIN!" Sorry, Wud, I'm not smokin' what you are rollin' on this one.33;ne. Yeah. I never let my kids on here. There 9 months old and 23 months. So cut the crap. There are 7 billion people on the planet. Not just me and my kids. The guys a gross pervert. Sorry if you can't see it. Smoke what you want.
I do.
The guys a gross pervert. Sorry if you can't see it. Wud, you are really overly emotional about all of this. Let's be honest, this isn't about "protecting" 7 billion people on the planet, this is about your personal preferences. If you think Dillo is a "gross pervert" then put him on bozo and be done with it!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
If you think Dillo is a "gross pervert" then put him on bozo and be done with it!! I never said it's about "protecting 7 billion people on the planet". And no it's not about my personal preferences. And no I won't put him on bozo. My point with the "7 billion people" is that you were Incorrect to Assume I was referring to My Lady or children. I'ts not about My personal preferences. It's about morality and principle. You're projecting and assuming that I'm the one getting emotional when in Fact it's you who's personal liking to your friend has overridden your sensibility, morals and reason. Not necessarily in that order.
If you and your dumbass canadian bed-buddy had not started this, I would not be mentioning it. I take back my previous apology. You are not worthy of one.33;ne. Listen you sexually repressed whackjob. I'm not dumb and not a troll. You've been asked politely and impolitely in no uncertain terms to be respectful and mind your manners. Knock it off or keep it comin. I got all day asshole.
And, FWIW, American nudists are by definition insular and isolated, never forcing others to accept the practice of nudity. They don't disrobe and then go shopping, opting for private gatherings and retreats instead. (The majority don't advocate change or lobby to abolish public nudity laws either) But, apparently a virtual nudist (who according to farmfriend is wrestling with mental health issues) is unconcerned about offending the sensibilities of others. The fact that there are places where such posts would be welcome (and probably boring by comparison) doesn't seem to hold any attraction for him. Perhaps the shock factor is the thrill as is also the case with (mentally disordered) flashers, who are compelled to wave their junk at school girls. It's interesting to note that they are also well represented in prisons, and known as "gunslingers." The inmates who are compelled to flash female corrections officers can't seem to control themselves even though they're sure to be punished with pink jail clothing, loss of privileges, time in the hole, failure to make early parole, etc.,. They too are positively vicious in defense of their compulsions, masking the obvious fact that they have no choice but to show the world that their ego self portrait is linked to their arrested sexual development. (often while being defended by those with bad cases of penis envy) In different times there would be comprehensive studies to determine the root of these compulsions, such as potty training gone bad. Unfortunately, we're in the clutches of anally fixated tribalists who use their diplomas in the various psychological disciplines to try and convince us that NAMBLA is the norm and modest, discreet heterosexuals who as adults require no such validation ("look Mommy, I have a pee pee! And, it's sunburned!") are "uptight". If Armadillo and farmfriend prevail in moving the bar here and unfettered "sunburned penis chats" become the acceptable norm I'll be sure to locate a few bukake chat boards and invite the feces eaters (and their PHOTOBUCKET albums) over. After all, arbitrary standards are for assholes and what are you so uptight about? "Oh you'll wonder where the feces went when you brush your teeth with PEPSODENT"....33;SODENT".... Very well said, thank you.
No, I'm not projecting and no it's not about my personal preferences. Like I said before, if posters post what I find distasteful I refrain from the conversation and that goes for friend or not so much friend. Simple. I don't pile on and defend others based on personal liking or dislike.....too much of that crap went on over at LP and I never did like it. This, to me, is about free speech and I believe in it, even for those who say things I don't like so much. Free speech is the PRINCIPLE that I am defending. : ) Morality is a subjective subject and it is not synonymous with a defense of the principle of free speech, nor will it ever be. Morality can not be defended by immoral actions.....it is best defended by setting an example.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
If someone talked like that in front of women and children in public they'd be told just like they have here. There's a difference between free speech and being disrespectful and lude. Telling someone to be polite, respectful and watch their language is not an immoral action.
LOL! I'm done with you kids in this topic. I just read up the thread and noticed that Dillo was asked by another poster first about sunburning the little soldier. Though he went into a little more detail than some of us were comfortable with, he did answer a question posed to him first. Dillo, I erred by defining this particular post as strongly as I did and I apologize. All, let's end this now. It's become too personal and too contentious and I don't want to see any more hurt feelings.
I'm probably old enough to be your father, son. Push off yourself. Look forward to the next round...
But I was just getting started? lol ; )
lol.....mean ol' man! : P
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
:)
So if I say my balls itch, so I'm naked right now scratching them, that's just A-OK with your style of posting, eh?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Yes, but it was promoted from the "little soldier" (OMG, it was Turtle who posted that), to, VLAD THE IMPALER... Hey listen. I don't give a flying f if Dillo want's to flash his "little soldier" to underage girls in hot tubs while the head of his "Impaler" bobs in the water, as long as he's not anywhere near MY kids.
:)
Thank you. The devolution of this thread has been an exercise in group neuroses.
Actually no. It's the outcome of people becoming fedup with bullshit.
Hey, I'm sure I'm younger than that old fart. Drop me a PM, maybe we can talk.. :)
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Show those pasty white buns some sun.
#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Lets not get extreme now.
However I do wear shorts and short sleeve shirt with normally sandals or slip-ons for most of the summer. Since I spend a fair amount of time outside in the garden I suspect I am getting a lot more "D" than most.
Exposed legs and arms are not much surafce area. Look in the mirror and compare the area of white to tan areas. Lots of unused D production capacity.
Besides, tan lines are ugly.
Throw off those chafing, movment hindering, rags and go free for D3!
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#3. To: Armadillo (#0)
Back in the day, our ancestors would have full body exposure to the sun throughout the year.
#4. To: Armadillo (#2)
#5. To: RickyJ (#4)
That's the idea, expose as much skin as possible to maximize the benefits for the whole body.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#6. To: Armadillo (#5)
#7. To: Armadillo (#0)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#8. To: who knows what evil (#7)
#9. To: Armadillo, all (#0)
#10. To: christine (#8)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
Too much vitamin D at one time can cause damage to your kidneys, especially if you are taking 6,000 or more IU's a day.
#12. To: Lod (#11)
Yikes!
#13. To: Armadillo (#5)
That's the idea, expose as much skin as possible to maximize the benefits for the whole body.
#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#12)
#15. To: Lod (#14)
It's almost time for another physical, and I'll definitely ask for a thorough blood work-up.
#16. To: Turtle, farmfriend (#13)
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Yeah, but what if you sunburn the little soldier?
I treat him with aloe vera lotion and witch hazel.
I've had full-body sunburn before. Treated with aloe vera lotion.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#17. To: who knows what evil (#7)
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I sure as hell don't want to see them naked. No way, no how.
So, I get to see them naked. lol.
Nudists are very accepting of all body types. We care about who people are, not about their flaws.
A nude society is a polite society.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#18. To: Armadillo (#17)
New Englanders come to Florida in the winter and stay at our nudist clubs.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#19. To: Armadillo (#16)
and witch hazel.
#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#15)
#21. To: christine (#20)
i was told by my health guru that it's more beneficial to take 50k IUs of vitamin D once a week than to take it daily. i've been doing that for some time now.
#22. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#21)
#23. To: Armadillo, *Too Much Information*, *Humor-Weird News*, *No Planers* (#16)
"Vlad the Impaler" is sunburned right now, on the head. I treat him with aloe vera lotion and witch hazel.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#24. To: wudidiz, farmfriend (#23)
Who gives a fuck about your stupid weiner. You. That's it.
Fuckin weirdo.
Thanks, dickless Canadian faggot.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#25. To: Armadillo (#24)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#26. To: wudidiz (#25)
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Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#27. To: Armadillo (#26)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#28. To: farmfriend (#27)
I and my posts are not bothering anyone. Then wudidiz pops in and attacks me without provocation. He even sends his attack to several ping lists so more people can see his unprovoked attack.
I respond to his attack, so he un-friends me on Facebook, and attacks me again. LOL.
All the while having "mean people suck" on his FB page.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#29. To: Armadillo (#28)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#30. To: Turtle (#13)
Yeah, but what if you sunburn the little soldier?
#31. To: wudidiz (#23)
#32. To: Eric Stratton (#31)
#33. To: wudidiz (#29)
Sorry dude, I just think you're an ignorant, closeminded, self-righteous, assholish moron.
#34. To: Turtle (#32)
#35. To: Eric Stratton (#34)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#36. To: wudidiz, farmfriend (#29)
I'm not a mean person and you deserve it. Asshole.
What did I do exactly to deserve your unprovoked attack?
Mention my dick? You did not have to read my post. You were not pinged.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#37. To: Armadillo (#36)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#38. To: wudidiz, Armadillo (#29)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#38)
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#39)
total collapse and violent martial law and forthcoming genocide
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: FormerLurker (#40)
#42. To: FormerLurker (#38)
I think Armadillo believes he's just too sexy for his clothes...
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#43. To: Eric Stratton, farmfriend (#39)
I for one had enough of the nudist nonsense after the first go 'round while still wondering whether it was true or not. Not that subsequent plays have been annoying or anything, but of whatever humor was there to begin with, none in my book, the law of diminishing returns was in turbo mode on that one rendering the third reference to little more than shameless self-promotion.
I will continue to mention it whenever I feel the need to.
You can deal with it or STFU. He could just be too shameless for his own good.
There is nothing shamefull about nudity. Even Pope J.P.2 said as much.
Textiles (what nudists called clothed people) are the ones with shame issues. Deal with your issues, dont put them on me. I have enough of my own.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#44. To: Armadillo (#42)
No. I (and nudists in general) do not associate nudity with sex.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#46. To: Eric Stratton (#41)
I'm, too sexy for your gun, to sexy for your gun.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker (#44)
Yet, you talk about your dick a lot.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#48. To: wudidiz (#45)
Every chance he gets. He even posted a thread so he can talk about his dick. Hey, it's this thread ; )
you really need to get over your hang-ups. They're not healthy.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#49. To: wudidiz (#45)
Every chance he gets. He even posted a thread so he can talk about his dick.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: Armadillo (#47)
Would you have issues if I talked about my arm?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)
No, it's not about sex, of course not.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#52. To: Armadillo, Eric Stratton (#43)
I will continue to mention it whenever I feel the need to. You can deal with it or STFU.33;
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#53. To: Armadillo (#48)
(Edited)
No. you really need to get over your hang-ups. They're not healthy.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#54. To: Armadillo, farmfriend, wudidiz, FormerLurker (#43)
#55. To: wudidiz (#53)
#56. To: Eric Stratton, wudidiz, farmfriend (#55)
Problem with Armadillo is that his dick is the focal point of his fucking life.
You keep pileing on more and more, and your issue is... my dick.
It's your issue, not mine, else this BS would never have gotten started.
Who am I harming by mentioning nudism or joking about my penis?
No one.
For a Libertarian this is all a non-issue.
But for you all it is an issue. You might ask youselves why.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#57. To: Eric Stratton (#55)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#58. To: Armadillo, Eric Stratton, RickyJ, christine (#56)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#59. To: Armadillo (#56)
#60. To: Armadillo (#56)
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#61. To: Eric Stratton (#60)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#62. To: wudidiz (#61)
#63. To: Eric Stratton (#62)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#64. To: Eric Stratton, wudidiz (#60)
IMO you're one of the posters with the least substance in the place.
If you dont like my nudism and penis-joke posts and you really believe the bullshit you just posted... why are you still posting to me?
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#65. To: Armadillo (#64)
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#66. To: Armadillo (#64)
#67. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#65)
So you've gone from saying I'm "one of the posters with the least substance in the place" to saying you "don't read most of your stuff and when I do I just glance over it".
Wud and you started this pointless attack and you keep it going. Maybe you just needed an ego stroke, like most bullys.
Prove me wrong, add me to your bozo list, and stop posting to me.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#68. To: Armadillo (#67)
#69. To: Armadillo, All (#67)
#70. To: Eric Stratton, Armadillo, abraxas, Original_Intent, christine, wudidiz (#68)
And fuckin' grow up in the mean time!
#71. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
I've determined it must be the first because I know of only a handful of people so narcisistic i that way and they all have significant emotional validation issues of one sort or another.
#72. To: wudidiz (#29)
Btw, "mean people suck" applies to incidents such as when mean people do mean things to people that don't deserve it.
#73. To: farmfriend, All (#70)
#74. To: farmfriend (#71)
#75. To: Eric Stratton (#74)
#76. To: Lod (#75)
#77. To: Eric Stratton (#74)
Posts #69, #73 and #74
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#78. To: wudidiz (#77)
#79. To: Eric Stratton, farmfriend, wudidiz, Armadillo (#73)
To be honest, I wasn't even primarily referring to his "nudist" stuff, I'm referring to a whole slew of other stuff that's borderline filth that simply does not belong in any civil forum on topics such as we discuss here, if and assuming it wants to be taken seriously by new and/or infrequent readers that may not understand that we have people here simply vying for personal validation and affection due to unresolved sexual issues/abuses they may or may not have had when they were children or adolescents.
#80. To: Eric Stratton (#73)
I have other things to do with my time, and I'm also one of at least a handful of regular civil posters that contribute to the critical thinking parts of discussions here that thinks much of what Armadillo posts is over the top in one capacity or another.
#81. To: Original_Intent (#79)
While I tend to more or less conventional in my moral attitudes (not a saint, not a prude) I have enough of a libertarian streak to play the "live and let live" view.
#82. To: Original_Intent, Eric Stratton (#79)
(Edited)
Generally that which I find tasteless I simply ignore. I've dropped in on a couple of 'dillo threads that I did not care for and so simply ignored the thread thereafter.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#83. To: wudidiz (#82)
#84. To: farmfriend (#81)
,,,but it wasn't as eloquent.
#85. To: Original_Intent (#83)
(Edited)
I believe in free will too.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#86. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend, wudidiz, christine (#79)
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#87. To: farmfriend, All (#80)
(Edited)
#88. To: farmfriend, All (#81)
(Edited)
#89. To: wudidiz, All (#82)
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#90. To: wudidiz (#85)
#91. To: Eric Stratton (#88)
As well, are there limits in your mind to some of the stuff that he posts? [again, serious question]
Relatedly, in your mind does most of what he posts in this manner line up with the general theme and overall ideology of 4um? [again, serious question]
Where does his STFU directed at me over accepting his crap or hitting the highway fit into your assessment of the situation here? [serious question]
#92. To: farmfriend, christine (#91)
#93. To: farmfriend (#91)
#94. To: Eric Stratton (#92)
So let's start there, shall we. W/o addressing that first, there really is no sense in taking it further. Again, I've not heard any kind of apology or indication, from him, that might suggest that that was totally uncalled for. All I hear is you defending him for being a great guy otherwise. You don't see any contradiction here? Given that that's where this began with this balloon going up, I dare say, he did it to himself.
#95. To: Eric Stratton (#92)
That's ridiculous. I wasn't attacking him, which should be plain to see for anyone here.
#96. To: farmfriend (#94)
#97. To: farmfriend (#95)
#98. To: Eric Stratton (#92)
You say I got defensive? ... ROFLMAO, ... yeah, a STFU directed at you will typically do that in a forum.
#99. To: Eric Stratton (#97)
(Edited)
Well, then he )(not you for him) has to learn how to correct that, doesn't he.
I challenge you to find anything at all that I wrote that was directed at him that even remotely approaches that.
Otherwise, amidst my asking you to do so, you still have not pointed out the moral deficiencies in "my behavior" in the matter.
#100. To: farmfriend (#98)
#101. To: farmfriend (#99)
#102. To: Eric Stratton (#101)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#103. To: wudidiz (#102)
#104. To: Eric Stratton, all (#92)
I've not heard any kind of apology or indication, from him, that might suggest that that was totally uncalled for.
I sincerely apologize for the agony it must have put you through.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#105. To: farmfriend, Eric Stratton (#98)
I've had one person on this forum tell everyone in PMs about my personal habits claiming I was collecting personal information on people. One of these posters was even mentioned on this thread.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: Armadillo, All (#104)
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#107. To: Armadillo (#104)
#108. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#107)
I'll just come out and say it and make a request, for at least several, why don't you just quit posting here and help clean the place up a bit!
I have done nothing wrong here, except say "STFU" to you and over-reacted a bit, for which I have apologized.
This is Freedom4um, not Fascist4um.
Not that it matters but give me names. Post them here. Full disclosure. Lets have the names. Some of us truly enjoy having conversations without threads involving visions of penises and sugar plum fairies dancing in our heads all but 24/7.
Good news. This forum is equiped with a Bozo list. This list will prevent you from being exposed to persons or opinions you find objectionable. You are free to use it.
If you dont know how to use it I would be happy to assist you.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#109. To: all (#108)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#110. To: Armadillo (#108)
#111. To: wudidiz (#109)
#112. To: Eric Stratton (#111)
(Edited)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#113. To: wudidiz (#112)
#114. To: Eric Stratton, wudidiz, christine, farmfriend, Armadillo (#113)
... in keeping w/ our theme.
#115. To: wudidiz (#85)
I believe in free will too.
#116. To: Eric Stratton, farmfriend, Armadillo (#87)
Your assumption, and you know what they say about assumptions, that apparently, which frankly isn't so "apparent" to me, particularly since it's not true, in the least as I do not recall one single discussion with anyone in this forum at all "behind the scenes" and insofar as I go anyway, about Armadillo. [For the Record]
#117. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#114)
But, apparently a virtual nudist (who according to farmfriend is wrestling with mental health issues) is unconcerned about offending the sensibilities of others.
It has to do with trolls Wud and Eric attempting to tear down someone else to build themselves up. That's what trolls and bullys do.
Trying to protect the sensibilities of eveyone is one way this country is so screwed up. You do not desire freedom, you desire fascism.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#118. To: FormerLurker, Eric Stratton, christine (#105)
If I were you FF, I'd learn to accept the fact you're wrong and stop trying to stir up more shit.
#119. To: HOUNDDAWG (#114)
But, apparently a virtual nudist (who according to farmfriend is wrestling with mental health issues) is unconcerned about offending the sensibilities of others.
#120. To: Eric Stratton, Armadillo, abraxas, Original_Intent, christine, wudidiz (#107)
I'll just come out and say it and make a request, for at least several, why don't you just quit posting here and help clean the place up a bit!
#121. To: Armadillo (#108)
#122. To: HOUNDDAWG (#114)
And, FWIW, American nudists are by definition insular and isolated, never forcing others to accept the practice of nudity. They don't disrobe and then go shopping, opting for private gatherings and retreats instead. (The majority don't advocate change or lobby to abolish public nudity laws either)
Nudists isloate themselves because the law makes the isolate. Every nudist I know would love to shop in the mall nude, jog nude in parks, or swim nude at public pools. They can not because of the immature attitude of American sensibilities about nudity. There is nothing lewd, immoral, or disgusting about nudity. There is no rational reason why the law forces us to wear clothes.
Children raised as nudists are better adjusted, better behaved, and have a better body self image.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#123. To: christine, farmfriend (#121)
(Edited)
Freedom4um isn't the place for graphic sexual discourse.
Mentioning a sunburned penis is not sexual, anymore than mentioning a sunburned arm.
There is nothing, by any stretch of the most prudish imagination, that I have posted that deserves this treatment.
I am didappointed you have chosen to join the trolls.
When one persons harmless freedom is curtailed to satisfy the desires of another, you get tyranny.
It's your forum. You choose.
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#124. To: Armadillo (#123)
#125. To: Armadillo, All (#117)
#126. To: Armadillo (#122)
#127. To: Armadillo, All (#123)
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#128. To: christine (#124)
#129. To: Eric Stratton, ALL (#127)
(Edited)
And once again, ALL ABOUT YOU!
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#130. To: Armadillo, All (#129)
#131. To: farmfriend, Eric Stratton, christine (#118)
NO problem. I was trying not to name anyone but since you bring it up. I asked for an address to mail a hand made Christmas card. Something I had done with several people at the time on several forum. You made it more than it was in order to defame me in PM. All because I had disagreed with you over thimerisol in vaccines and global warming. You and your best friend Robin at the time. You are the worst offender here as far as slinging mud. And I'm quite done with this forum. I'll go somewhere where libertarians are welcome.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#132. To: Armadillo (#123)
Mentioning a sunburned penis is not sexual, anymore than mentioning a sunburned arm.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: farmfriend, Eric Stratton, christine (#118)
You made it more than it was in order to defame me in PM.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: FormerLurker, christine, all (#132)
Mentioning that "Vlad the Impaler" floats in the water and his head bobs around IS sexual, at least to anyone with a clear mind.
Anyone with a sense of humor would see that.
Lay in a bath tub submerged. Your limp dick will float. Are you having sex?
Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#135. To: Eric Stratton, Armadillo (#107)
I'll just come out and say it and make a request, for at least several, why don't you just quit posting here and help clean the place up a bit!
#136. To: farmfriend, Eric Stratton, Armadillo, Original_Intent, christine, wudidiz (#120)
If my friends are welcome then neither am I. I don't seem to be one of those a fore mentioned people that contribute to the intellectual content of the forum. I'm gone.
#137. To: abraxas, Eric Stratton, FormerLurker, all (#135)
that's why we have a bozo filter after all.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#138. To: wudidiz (#137)
Problem is,
#139. To: wudidiz (#137)
#140. To: abraxas (#138)
If you, or any other poster who feels this way, puts him on bozo, you won't see it......neither will the kiddies or any ladies who are posting on the forum with you. : )
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#141. To: abraxas (#139)
There are posters here who post speech that I don't agree with and don't find appropriate, but I don't attempt to stifle them or shame them about it..
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#142. To: wudidiz (#140)
So cut the crap. There are 7 billion people on the planet.
#143. To: abraxas (#142)
(Edited)
Wud, you are really overly emotional about all of this. Let's be honest, this isn't about "protecting" 7 billion people on the planet, this is about your personal preferences.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#144. To: Armadillo, Eric Stratton (#129)
Because I'm the one being unfairly ATTACKED by you trolls, dumbass.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#145. To: HOUNDDAWG (#114)
Now would be a good time to post the joke known as THE ARISTOCRATS.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#146. To: wudidiz (#143)
You're projecting and assuming that I'm the one getting emotional when in Fact it's you who's personal liking to your friend has overridden your sensibility, morals and reason. Not necessarily in that order.
#147. To: abraxas (#146)
(Edited)
Morality is a subjective subject and it is not synonymous with a defense of the principle of free speech, nor will it ever be. Morality can not be defended by immoral actions.....it is best defended by setting an example.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#148. To: wudidiz (#144)
You've been asked politely and impolitely in no uncertain terms to be respectful and mind your manners.
Listen, boy, you're in no position to dictate anything to me. Least of all manners and respect after your blustery behaviour here.
However, I am planning a topic you and your buddy eric are really going to hate. Everyone else will enjoy it though.
So, push off. Bye.
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Once you go armadillo, you never go back.
#149. To: abraxas, Armadillo, farmfriend, wudidiz, ALL (#146)
#150. To: Armadillo (#148)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#151. To: christine (#149)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#152. To: wudidiz (#150)
I'm probably old enough to be your father, son.
#153. To: abraxas (#152)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#154. To: Armadillo (#134)
To anyone with a clear mind, you're full of shit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker (#154)
if I say my balls itch
#156. To: christine, Turtle, Armadillo (#149)
Dillo was asked by another poster first about sunburning the little soldier
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: abraxas (#155)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: christine, abraxas, Armadillo, farmfriend, wudidiz, ALL (#149)
All, let's end this now. It's become too personal and too contentious and I don't want to see any more hurt feelings.
#159. To: Original_Intent (#158)
The devolution of this thread has been an exercise in group neuroses.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#160. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#152)
lol.....mean ol' man! : P
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#161. To: all (#160)
#162. To: All (#161)
#163. To: Armadillo, All (#134)
#164. To: abraxas (#135)
#165. To: abraxas, All (#136)
#166. To: wudidiz, All (#137)
#167. To: abraxas, All (#138)
#168. To: abraxas, All (#138)
#169. To: abraxas (#139)
#170. To: wudidiz, abraxas, All (#141)
#171. To: wudidiz, All (#141)
#172. To: wudidiz, All (#141)
#173. To: abraxas, All (#142)
#174. To: christine, all (#149)
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