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Title: Man's call for Obama assassination is free speech, not crime, court rules
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URL Source: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan ... crime-appeals-court-rules.html
Published: Jul 20, 2011
Author: LA Times
Post Date: 2011-07-20 13:50:48 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 196
Comments: 14

Man's call for Obama assassination is free speech, not crime, court rules

July 19, 2011 |  4:27 pm

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A La Mesa man who posted racial epithets and a call to "shoot" Barack Obama on an Internet chat site was engaging in constitutionally protected free speech, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday in overturning his criminal conviction.

Walter Bagdasarian was found guilty two years ago of making threats against a major presidential candidate in comments he posted on a Yahoo.com financial website after 1 a.m. on Oct. 22, 2008, as Obama's impending victory in the race for the White House was becoming apparent. Bagdasarian told investigators he was drunk at the time.

A divided panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals overturned that conviction Tuesday, saying Bagdasarian's comments were "particularly repugnant" because they endorsed violence but that a reasonable person wouldn't have taken them as a genuine threat.

The observation that Obama "will have a 50 cal in the head soon" and a call to "shoot the [racist slur]" weren't violations of the law under which Bagdasarian was convicted because the statute doesn't criminalize "predictions or exhortations to others to injure or kill the president," said the majority opinion written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt.

"When our law punishes words, we must examine the surrounding circumstances to discern the significance of those words’ utterance, but must not distort or embellish their plain meaning so that the law may reach them," said the 2-1 ruling in which Chief Judge Alex Kozinski joined but Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw dissented.


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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

the statute doesn't criminalize "predictions or exhortations to others to injure or kill the president," said the majority opinion written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt.

I sincerely hope that Barack Hussein Obama stumbles down a staircase and breaks his neck and DIES. I sincerely hope that Barack Hussein Obama gets struck by lightning and DIES. I sincerely hope that Barack Hussein Obama just DIES before his term is up.

It's OK, the law protects my free speech.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2011-07-20   13:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Note to Nesters;

Shoot the Nesters!!!

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-07-20   14:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15, Flint (#1)

Let's not stop with the Interloper. Most of congress should face the noose for their support of international genocide.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-07-20   14:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

a reasonable person wouldn't have taken them as a genuine threat.

That is correct. They guard that pos better than they would an actual human.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-07-20   15:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say things that other people may find repugnant. That is, and should remain, a bedrock principle, because it protects and defends the freedoms of all.

Personally I don't want to see Oh'bummer dead. I want to see him convicted of fraud and imprisoned for the rest of his unnatural life.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-07-20   15:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)

I'd settle for a deportation back to Kenya stripped of all bennies.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments

Lod  posted on  2011-07-20   15:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

A La Mesa man who posted racial epithets and a call to "shoot" Barack Obama on an Internet chat site was engaging in constitutionally protected free speech, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday in overturning his criminal conviction.

Walter Bagdasarian

Ha! The dude is an Armenian. They have been raising Cain for decades. I do not disagree with what he said, but I have the right not to comment about it, either.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-07-20   17:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#5) (Edited)

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say things that other people may find repugnant. That is, and should remain, a bedrock principle, because it protects and defends the freedoms of all.

Personally I don't want to see Oh'bummer dead. I want to see him convicted of fraud and imprisoned for the rest of his unnatural life.

Oh, I agree with you 100%. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-07-20   17:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: X-15 (#1)

It's OK, the law protects my free speech.

ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-07-20   17:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

The observation that Obama "will have a 50 cal in the head soon" and a call to "shoot the [racist slur]" weren't violations of the law under which Bagdasarian was convicted because the statute doesn't criminalize "predictions or exhortations to others to injure or kill the president," said the majority opinion written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt.

Just let anyone make a similar "prediction or exhortation to others to injure or kill a jew," and watch Judge Stephen Reinhardt use the hate speech law to throw free speech out the window.

What a double standard.

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-07-20   17:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: angK (#10)

You know it. Euro-style prison sentences for holocaust-denial ARE on the agenda for North America.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2011-07-20   18:00:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Lod, Original_Intent (#6)

I'd settle for a deportation back to Kenya stripped of all bennies.

And forced to repay all he has gained through his lies and deception, or at least up to the amount he has. Then deport him.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-07-20   18:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Protection is not being given to Obama anymore cause he isn't being a good little slave and following all his masters' orders. A white racist killing Obama is what his masters are hoping for. If one doesn't do so voluntarily they will do it themselves and frame one. Obama is too dumb to see what his real purpose is to these people. He actually thinks he is smart. He has believed the BS they have fed him.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-07-20   18:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15, angK (#11)

You know it. Euro-style prison sentences for holocaust-denial ARE on the agenda for North America.

You forgot something. It is Holocaust©®. After all it is a brand name now. Notice how if anyone uses the term "holocaust®" for anything other than the ADL/Zionist Inc. approved purpose that they are now attacked for "cheapening the holocaust©®"? Notice also Zionist Arithmetic. Even though the number killed at Auschwitz has officially been revised downward from 4 million to 1 million that in all accounts in the major ZioNAZI controlled media that: 6,000,000 - 3,000,000 = 6,000,000?

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-07-20   19:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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