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Title: Black people 'less intelligent' scientist claims (James Watson)
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URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece
Published: Jul 20, 2011
Author: Helen Nugent
Post Date: 2011-07-20 19:50:13 by gengis gandhi
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m Times Online October 17, 2007 Black people 'less intelligent' scientist claims Helen Nugent One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people. James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today. More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out. Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times. The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”. He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade. The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. “I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.” Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins. Page 1 of 3 www.timesonline .co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece
Poster Comment: well you can't have it pc and believe in evolution too. if our environment influences our evolution, then you have to expect differences among groups that have different environments. duh. to notice it is not pc.
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The existence of the negro race is the lynchpin (pardon the phrase) in the atheist's arsenal.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
I'd wonder where the native american scores but we all know how they faired. Bottom line.... when speaking in generalities ...someone has to be on bottom...although I do wonder more about who is on top... Personally I suspect Mexicans will win in the long haul. The evolution of their race is what makes me think this. Mexicans did not always exist. But for the spanish and the people of the new world.
Unless the god in question isn't an egalitarian.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
China laugh! Make many mooore sequencer! Ha Ha America!
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
You mean...like the Old Testament god? Possible I suppose, but bleak. I'd rather be on my own. A vicious, lopsided god is more than I can deal with right now.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
He's making a mistake. New research points to proteins as being the arbiters of the differences in human characteristics and consciousness. It's not in the genes.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
I kinda like the idea that every race has its own gods and own heaven.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
I agree race isn't genes. Races have genes. Christians speak of children of the spirit and children of flesh. Children of the flesh are basically walking talking dead people. If a child asks you what a leopard is, do you rattle off a long list of base pairs? No, you don't, because that tells you almost nothing you want to know. You might open an encyclopedia, show the child what a leopard looks like, where it lives, and how it behaves. Some of that behavior isn't in the genes. It has to be learned. If you take a leopard cub from its mother and raise it in a human household, it won't grow to know those behaviors. If you then toss that leopard back into the wild, the other leopards will look at it funny, and it won't have much chance of survival. Is it still a leopard? The purpose of genes is to propagate. But as far as its genes are concerned, that leopard might as well be dead. Race isn't genes. Race is SURVIVAL.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
You could be right. Check out: Bruce Lipton- Where Mind and Matter Meet freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=133909&Disp=16#C16 It will shift your whole paradigm
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
I don't think "the world" needs curing. There are things I don't like about it that I would like to change, of course. But I would not be so presumptuous as to claim all of the nations for my flock, or say to them all that they all need to be cured of something.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
Git down , Nigga, git down!
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
You are referring to the above quote from the link I provided, correct? If we, meaning ALL of humanity, are part of a Divine Matrix, on a spiritual plane, then the healing must take place on the spiritual level, before it can reflect back into the physical world. You took my comment out of context, the full comment referring to the work of Scientist Dr. Bruce Lipton was: Indeed, I have just been listening to some more video's of Lipton on youtube. Unfortunately, He went over the scientific data and did not expand on his spiritual conclusions. It is obvious, though, that he has undergone a profound spiritual revelation through his studies. What I have called "the Universal Mind," is what he refers to as the "Divine Matrix." Much better! He admits his conclusions are rather new agey, but as they are based on scientific fact, he makes no apology for that. His main thrust is in applying his studies towards healing. If our perception of the environment, -i.e.- our beliefs can change our genes, usually for the worse causing illness, then by changing our beliefs in a positive way, he believes we can change our genes back to a healthy state, thus curing the illness. It is my opinion that we can cure the world in a similar way, as he states we are part of the Divine Matrix, not single entities, but part of a spiritual community which is under attack, by evil forces. NO MAN IS AN ISLAND UNTO HIMSELF ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS IT TOLLS FOR THEE.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
Evidence is that it is highly heritable, and that when races mix, the average IQ of the offspring is predictable by the IQs of the populations that mixed (and, e.g. largely unrelated to diet, climate, and other environmental factors). As the stereotypes suggest, Asians are on top of this listing. Here's a ranking of the IQs of whole countries. There are reams of evidence that blacks, as a group, have significantly lower IQs than whites, as a group, although individual exceptions abound, and in fact the statement about a group has no application to any individual, except statistically. The fact that population groups have different IQs is well-known to all in the (non-military) intelligence community, but of course the blind and politically-correct mass media can not and will not accept such facts, which is why the authors of The Bell Curve faced death threats and harassment. Sub-saharan blacks have very low mean IQs, although so do Australian aborigines, with mean IQs in the 50s or 60s. Not a popular statement on this forum, but the mean IQ of a certain ethnicity of Jews, the "Ashkenazi Jews" is about 125, which is nearly Mensa-level, and is the highest of any identified ethnic group. It is difficult to argue that it isn't genetic. Here's one list of mean IQs, by country: (There are many others.) http://www.raventest.net/averageiqbycountry.html
When I say it isn't genetic, I am not saying that ethnicity doesn't have a lot to do with it. Science is evolving and a compelling study by Dr. Bruce Lipton has indicated that proteins are the keys to unlocking the genetic [codes (for want of a better word).] Please refer to the link I provided above. Furthermore, since the jews probably created the I.Q. tests it is not surprising that they would score near the mensa level.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
It's interesting that the top 7 countries reject Christianity.
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
Proteins are coded in the genes. If that isn't genetic, I don't know what is. (Irrespective of whether proteins are the main actors.)
It is quite likely that the jews created the IQ tests that are in use to-day. That is why they test near the Mensa level. If you can't make it, fake it, or cheat.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
I'll stand corrected, but why don't you take a look at this link anyway when you have time. Thanks. It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
Dr. William Shockley, inventor of the transistor, suffered considerably after he firmly stated that blacks were a less intelligent species. Truth is frowned upon in today's politically correct group think.
First, that's only one group of Jews, and there are many others. The others don't test so high. Second, there are lots of IQ tests made by many different people and groups; "Stanford" and "Binet" are not Jewish names, although they could be Jews for all I know. Third, the people who sweep the piano and violin competitions are dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, but I doubt you think that Bach and Beethoven and Rachmaninoff and Mozart and so forth, must have all been Jews who wrote the music. It's at least as easy to think that people have been trying to kill Jews for thousands of years, and it has led to the dumber ones being weeded out over those many centuries, to the intellectual advantage of the survivor's offspring. Forth, there are things that correlate very strongly with IQ, like (inverse) reaction time or how quickly one can find which of several nearly identical complex patterns actually matches a given one. It is absurd to think that Jews "wrote those tests," even if they did write the Stanford-Binet and the Weschler and the Raven and the Wonderlic and all the others. SAT and ACT and GRE tests also basically measure IQ.
"The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”." And, the Caucasian who read the remarks to the commission is a race traitor.
The top 7 countries are all in Asian.... Japan, Korea, China... That's not Yarmulke territory
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
It doesn't seem like Jews were the only people being killed for thousands of years. Does it? How are we to know the dumb people are the ones killed mostly?
Appreciate it if you wouldn't post right when I am. Kinda messes things up.
You know, Boy. Just because I've been nice to you lately doesn't mean I don't want to ride on the lead Tank when we cross the "Friendship Bridge". ODIN!!!
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan
LOL! That's poetic. Don't get sassy.
It's at least as easy to think that people have been trying to kill Jews for thousands of years, and it has led to the dumber ones being weeded out over those many centuries, to the intellectual advantage of the survivor's offspring. First, the Ashkenazi Jews, who score so high on the IQ tests, and sweep the piano and violin competitions are not Semites. To use your stance on DNA, in my favour, SCIENCE DOES NOT TELL LIES, ONLY THE LIARS WITH FORKED TONGUES FROM GERMANY, AMERICA, RUSSIA AND POLAND TELL LIES, BUT THEIR LIES ARE NOT VERY CONVINCING - DNA Proof that the Eastern European Jew / Ashkenazi Jew has NO Semitic link to Palestine, so the claim to stealing the homes, lands and orchards of the Palestinians is totally bogus, just like almost anything else about this strange self-centered and self-promoting tribe. The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms bye Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin. This study aims to establish the likely origin of EEJ (Eastern European Jews) by genetic distance analysis of autosomal markers and haplogroups on the X and Y chromosomes and mtDNA. According to the autosomal polymorphisms the investigated Jewish populations do not share a common origin, and EEJ are closer to Italians in particular and to Europeans in general than to the other Jewish populations. The similarity of EEJ to Italians and Europeans is also supported by the X chromosomal haplogroups. In contrast according to the Y-chromosomal haplogroups EEJ are closest to the non-Jewish populations of the Eastern Mediterranean. MtDNA shows a mixed pattern, but overall EEJ are more distant from most populations and hold a marginal rather than a central position. The autosomal genetic distance matrix has a very high correlation (0.789) with geography, whereas the X-chromosomal, Y-chromosomal and mtDNA matrices have a lower correlation (0.540, 0.395 and 0.641 respectively). The close genetic resemblance to Italians accords with the historical presumption that Ashkenazi Jews started their migrations across Europe in Italy and with historical evidence that conversion to Judaism was common in ancient Rome. Bach and Beethoven and Rachmaninoff and Mozart and so forth, might have shared more genetic markers with the non-semitic Ashkenazi's that you might assume, not that it is relevant to I.Q. People with talent, along with Idiot savants, are not usually associated with intelligence. I suppose the others that don't test so high are the jews, who are genetically semites, like the Palistinians are. Who has been trying to kill the jews for centuries?
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
Here's the quality of life index ... the top nations may not be the smartest but somehow they manage to live better ! (Most are caucasions).
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat
See #27 Why does Freeedom spell his name with three E's?
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
a) poor education With this statement he shows he isn't as bright today as one would suspect of a top scientist. Macro evolution is nothing more than a religion and has no scientific underpinnings whatsoever. Possibly he has dementia or Alzheimers. IQ tests are very poor indicators of intelligence as anyone who has ever taken one should know. Africans' biggest problem is not their IQ level, it is their anti-Christian level.
God is always good!
When they settled in Mississippi and Louisiana they adopted Christianity en masse, but the education level, crime rates and economic output they have since attained are not exactly enviable. (IQ is correlated with all three.)
107, actually. Cochran et al. write that according to some studies from the 1970s Ashkenazi Jews score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the general European average. This corresponds to an IQ 112–115. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average.[2] More recent studies have found somewhat lower values with a review in 2004 by Richard Lynn stating 0.5 standard deviation.[3] Lynn and Longley in a 2006 review write that the best reading of Jews in Britain is 110 and in the US is 109.5.[4] Brian
"Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history mankind has been bullied by scum. Those who lord it over their fellows and toss commands in every direction and would boss the grass in the meadow about which way to bend in the wind are the most depraved kind of prostitutes." – P.J. O'Rourke, "A Parliament of Whores"
Sorry, was recalling their verbal IQ and not their overall IQ. Although your cite supports 112-115 rather than 107 as the overall value.
won't you come home bill bailey? "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#3. To: Dakmar (#1)
#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#5. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#3)
Unless the god in question isn't an egalitarian.
#6. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade
#7. To: Dakmar (#5)
#8. To: angK (#6)
#9. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#7)
I kinda like the idea that every race has its own gods and own heaven.
#10. To: angK (#9)
#11. To: Dakmar (#1)
The existence of the negro race is the lynchpin (pardon the phrase) in the atheist's arsenal.
#12. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)
It is my opinion that we can cure the world in a similar way, as he states we are part of the Devine Matrix, not single entities, but part of a spiritual community which is under attack, by evil forces.
#13. To: angK (#6)
It's not in the genes.
#14. To: freeedom (#13)
(Edited)
It is difficult to argue that it isn't genetic
#15. To: freeedom (#13)
Here's one list of mean IQs, by country:
#16. To: angK (#14)
#17. To: Flintlock (#15)
It's interesting that the top 7 countries reject Christianity.
#18. To: freeedom (#16)
(Edited)
Proteins are coded in the genes. If that isn't genetic, I don't know what is. (Irrespective of whether proteins are the main actors.
#19. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: angK (#17)
#21. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#22. To: angK (#17)
It is quite likely that the jews created the IQ tests that are in use to-day. That is why they test near the Mensa level.
#23. To: freeedom, angK (#20)
It's at least as easy to think that people have been trying to kill Jews for thousands of years, and it has led to the dumber ones being weeded out over those many centuries, to the intellectual advantage of the survivor's offspring.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#24. To: Flintlock (#22)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#25. To: wudidiz (#24)
Appreciate it if you wouldn't post right when I am. Kinda messes things up.
#26. To: Flintlock (#25)
...ride on the lead Tank when we cross the "Friendship Bridge".
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#27. To: freeedom (#20)
The others don't test so high.
#28. To: freeedom (#13)
(Edited)
Here's one list of mean IQs, by country: (There are many others.)
#29. To: wudidiz (#23)
(Edited)
It doesn't seem like Jews were the only people being killed for thousands of years. Does it? How are we to know the dumb people are the ones killed mostly?
#30. To: angK (#29)
Why does Freeedom spell his name with three E's?
b) low IQ
c) typo
d) just for kicks
e) all of the above
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)................. Israelis For 9/11 Truth
#31. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically.
#32. To: RickyJ (#31)
Africans' biggest problem is not their IQ level, it is their anti-Christian level.
#33. To: freeedom (#13)
(Edited)
the "Ashkenazi Jews" is about 125
#34. To: Turtle (#33)
#35. To: Turtle (#33)
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