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Title: Black people 'less intelligent' scientist claims (James Watson)
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URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece
Published: Jul 20, 2011
Author: Helen Nugent
Post Date: 2011-07-20 19:50:13 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: None
Views: 577
Comments: 35

m Times Online October 17, 2007 Black people 'less intelligent' scientist claims Helen Nugent

One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today.

More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out.

Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.

The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.

He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.

He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”.

Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.

“I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.”

Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.

He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.

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well you can't have it pc and believe in evolution too. if our environment influences our evolution, then you have to expect differences among groups that have different environments. duh. to notice it is not pc.

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#6. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade

He's making a mistake. New research points to proteins as being the arbiters of the differences in human characteristics and consciousness. It's not in the genes.

angK  posted on  2011-07-20   21:52:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: angK (#6)

It's not in the genes.

Evidence is that it is highly heritable, and that when races mix, the average IQ of the offspring is predictable by the IQs of the populations that mixed (and, e.g. largely unrelated to diet, climate, and other environmental factors). As the stereotypes suggest, Asians are on top of this listing.

Here's a ranking of the IQs of whole countries. There are reams of evidence that blacks, as a group, have significantly lower IQs than whites, as a group, although individual exceptions abound, and in fact the statement about a group has no application to any individual, except statistically. The fact that population groups have different IQs is well-known to all in the (non-military) intelligence community, but of course the blind and politically-correct mass media can not and will not accept such facts, which is why the authors of The Bell Curve faced death threats and harassment. Sub-saharan blacks have very low mean IQs, although so do Australian aborigines, with mean IQs in the 50s or 60s. Not a popular statement on this forum, but the mean IQ of a certain ethnicity of Jews, the "Ashkenazi Jews" is about 125, which is nearly Mensa-level, and is the highest of any identified ethnic group. It is difficult to argue that it isn't genetic.

Here's one list of mean IQs, by country: (There are many others.)

http://www.raventest.net/averageiqbycountry.html

freeedom  posted on  2011-07-21   0:27:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: freeedom (#13)

Here's one list of mean IQs, by country:

It's interesting that the top 7 countries reject Christianity.

Flintlock  posted on  2011-07-21   0:59:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Flintlock (#15)

It's interesting that the top 7 countries reject Christianity.

It is quite likely that the jews created the IQ tests that are in use to-day. That is why they test near the Mensa level.

If you can't make it, fake it, or cheat.

angK  posted on  2011-07-21   1:04:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: angK (#17)

First, that's only one group of Jews, and there are many others. The others don't test so high. Second, there are lots of IQ tests made by many different people and groups; "Stanford" and "Binet" are not Jewish names, although they could be Jews for all I know. Third, the people who sweep the piano and violin competitions are dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, but I doubt you think that Bach and Beethoven and Rachmaninoff and Mozart and so forth, must have all been Jews who wrote the music. It's at least as easy to think that people have been trying to kill Jews for thousands of years, and it has led to the dumber ones being weeded out over those many centuries, to the intellectual advantage of the survivor's offspring. Forth, there are things that correlate very strongly with IQ, like (inverse) reaction time or how quickly one can find which of several nearly identical complex patterns actually matches a given one. It is absurd to think that Jews "wrote those tests," even if they did write the Stanford-Binet and the Weschler and the Raven and the Wonderlic and all the others. SAT and ACT and GRE tests also basically measure IQ.

freeedom  posted on  2011-07-21   1:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: freeedom, angK (#20)

It's at least as easy to think that people have been trying to kill Jews for thousands of years, and it has led to the dumber ones being weeded out over those many centuries, to the intellectual advantage of the survivor's offspring.

It doesn't seem like Jews were the only people being killed for thousands of years. Does it? How are we to know the dumb people are the ones killed mostly?

wudidiz  posted on  2011-07-21   2:00:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: wudidiz (#23) (Edited)

It doesn't seem like Jews were the only people being killed for thousands of years. Does it? How are we to know the dumb people are the ones killed mostly?

See #27

Why does Freeedom spell his name with three E's?

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