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Title: Jackson Man Jailed For Shingling his own roof(land of the free alert)
Source: http://www.keyc.tv
URL Source: http://www.keyc.tv/story/15176536/jackson-man-jailed-for-shingling
Published: Aug 4, 2011
Author: Molly Miles
Post Date: 2011-08-04 12:07:06 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: Jackson Man, Jailed, Shingling roof, jackbooted thugs
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Comments: 16

The shingles that Andrew Espey put up two years ago are holding up well, but the legal battle that came with them is far from over.

It all started when Espey decided to re–shingle his roof after discovering a leak.

Espey says, "The building inspector came along and told me I couldn't do it. He told me I had to quit and take off the shingles and start over because they have a code."

A Minnesota state residential code says that new asphalt shingles cannot be installed without first removing exist shingles, and on one section of the roof Espey was installing new shingles over the old.

Espey says, "They didn't tell me I couldn't overlay shingles when I got my permit...I didn't even know they had such a code."

The city served him a stop work order, but he ignored it and finished the job.

Espey says, "I was kind of getting disturbed a little bit, somebody telling me what I can do on my home."

Nevertheless, on March of last year he was found guilty of four counts of violating building code and two counts of violating a stop work order, fined over $2000 and sentenced to 90 days in jail, 60 with good behavior.

Espey says, "60 days for working on a house and a drunk can drive down the highway and get a lot less."

Espey did report to the Jackson city law enforcement center to serve his time but was let out after just 17 days as medical precaution.

Espey is claustrophobic and a doctor said staying in jail was making his hypertension worse.

The judge reduced his 73–day balance to 30, to be served on electronic home monitoring or in jail three days at a time.

Espey says, "I said no I don't want them, this isn't what we served in the military for to be tied up in our own home."

Espey is also refusing to pay his fines, maintaining that he did nothing wrong.

Espey says, "I hope they just drop it pretty soon and decide it's enough."

The City attorney declined to comment.

Espy was arrested again last week at a city council meeting where an ordinance was introduced to make violations of the building code a nuisance. He was released after 24 hours.

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freepatriot32  posted on  2011-08-04   12:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-08-04   12:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As long as I remember you could do a good job Overlaying at least One Layer over the Original on Shingles. But for sure not when "ordinances" are written.

There's a big threat to rural homeowners for this crap when they start implementing Building Codes. Once they start, they're like every other thing "government". They feed like maggots.

ndcorup  posted on  2011-08-04   12:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A Minnesota state residential code says that new asphalt shingles cannot be installed without first removing exist shingles, and on one section of the roof Espey was installing new shingles over the old.

While I can see a construction benefit to this, I think it is ridiculous to mandate it. We have too many laws in this nation. Many of them might have good intentions, but shouldn't be required by force of law.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-08-04   12:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...he was found guilty of four counts of violating building code and two counts of violating a stop work order, fined over $2000 and sentenced to 90 days in jail, 60 with good behavior.

We spend a significant amount of time bitching about the tyrannical actions of the government - and rightfully so. Yet we tend to give our fellow citizens a pass in our condemnation. It's these citizens that found this man guilty of a "crime." His jury was either made up of a bunch of robertpaulsen/yukon/Gatin/harrowup types or it was filled with meek little sheep who are unable to think for themselves. Either way, until the mindset of the average American changes, things are only going to get worse. Far too many people enjoy the chains the government burdens them with.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-08-04   12:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As long as I remember you could do a good job Overlaying at least One Layer over the Original on Shingles. But for sure not when "ordinances" are written.

There's a big threat to rural homeowners for this crap when they start implementing Building Codes. Once they start, they're like every other thing "government". They feed like maggots.

This code was passed for the sole purpose of increasing the profits of roofing contractors. They can charge a person more money if they have to tear the old shingles off prior to laying new shingles. I suspect that if an investigation were made into this code you would find that that the State Representative or Senator who introduced the bill was either a contractor or in the pocket of the a person/group who stood to make money from this code.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-08-04   12:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep. It is a win-win: You get paid to make men into criminals/controllable. Recall:

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

FWMale  posted on  2011-08-04   12:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There are so many stupid building codes it boggles the mind. While some of the early ones were put in to protect consumers they have become increasingly cancerous - and the bureaucrats that administer them are self interested parties who enforce them to protect their rice bowl.

For example most states will not allow earthen construction techniques which are very inexpensive and very sturdy. There are cottages in England constructed with these techniques that are four centuries old, and yet building codes do not allow them.

Adobe is a very practical, and again inexpensive, form of earthen made dwelling and yet only one state, New Mexico, recognizes it as acceptable within their codes.

Building and construction innovation, and the reduction in cost of building cheap livable housing, is now held back by most building codes. And as you pointed out a lot of this is pushed by well connected contractors who do not want competition from new technology and design.

Another driving force behind some of the codes is prejudices of the politically connected who, being ignorant, have a personal style of home they prefer and want to make any style not conforming to their personal prejudices illegal. There was an example of that local to the area I live in when the City Council for Portland tried to make houses with an extended street accessible garage illegal - calling them "Snout Houses". While I agree with their criticism of the aesthetics it is none of their freaking business to be wasting public money to enforce their aesthetic prejudices as law.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-08-04   12:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His jury was either made up of a bunch of robertpaulsen/yukon/Gatin/harrowup types or it was filled with meek little sheep who are unable to think for themselves.

I seriously doubt he had a jury trial. Wouldn't even be entitled to one, as the violation was not a criminal thing. Potential punishment is normally required to more than 6 months in order for a right to a jury to be recognized.

Some administrative judge heard the case and gave the sentence. His best shot might have been just challenging jurisdiction.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-08-04   12:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I seriously doubt he had a jury trial. Wouldn't even be entitled to one, as the violation was not a criminal thing. Potential punishment is normally required to more than 6 months in order for a right to a jury to be recognized.

Some administrative judge heard the case and gave the sentence. His best shot might have been just challenging jurisdiction.

I see. I did not know that. Thank you for the correction and the information. I wasn't aware that the government could throw you in jail without having a trial by jury first. It seems like a conflict of interest to have the state arrest you, try you, and decide whether or not you are guilty.

I stand corrected then in this situation, although I believe my overall conclusion concerning the average American is still correct.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-08-04   13:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah yes, Atlas shrugs. As time goes on that book becomes more and more prophetic as it pertains to the actions of the government.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-08-04   13:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Building and construction innovation, and the reduction in cost of building cheap livable housing, is now held back by most building codes.

A good example are hay bale homes. They are cheap to build, as safe as a wooden framed house, and extremely energy efficient.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-08-04   13:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He may have listened to this: The Discourse of Involuntary Servitude

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2011-08-04   13:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Espey says, "60 days for working on a house and a drunk can drive down the highway and get a lot less."

What is wrong with this picture?

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-08-04   17:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Private sector rejects who make up government bureaucracies just love adding regulations so they can enhance their sinecures and send out goons to enforce them. People in North Africa and the Middle East became fed up with this kind of nonsense, launched their "Arab Spring" revolutions. Politicians failed to realize their greatest threat was bureaucratic tyrants at the street level. That's why Mubarek is ending his career in an Egyptian court as a caged animal.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2011-08-04   22:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I see. I did not know that. Thank you for the correction and the information. I wasn't aware that the government could throw you in jail without having a trial by jury first.

I should disclaim that I'm not firm on the details, and the practice could vary from state to state.

It seems like a conflict of interest to have the state arrest you, try you, and decide whether or not you are guilty.

That is certainly where traffic court falls. It's neither a criminal nor civil matter, but instead an administrative matter where the jurisdiction stems from an alleged offender having a license. No license = no jurisdiction, though it's obviously much more risky for someone to fight the system on that level.

I stand corrected then in this situation, although I believe my overall conclusion concerning the average American is still correct.

I agree with your sentiments.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-08-04   23:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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