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Title: NATO helicopter crashes in Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. troops
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reuters.com
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011 ... violence-idUSTRE7750UW20110806
Published: Aug 6, 2011
Author: Michelle Nichols
Post Date: 2011-08-06 07:06:38 by Ferret
Keywords: None
Views: 2021
Comments: 134
(Reuters) - A NATO helicopter crashed in central Afghanistan overnight killing 31 U.S. soldiers and 7 Afghan troops, the Afghan president said on Saturday, a devastating death toll and easily the worst single incident for foreign troops in 10 years of war. A brief statement from the presidential palace said the helicopter had crashed in central Maidan Wardak province, just to the west of the capital, Kabul, and identified the Americans as special forces troops. Afghan President Hamid Karzai "shared his deep sorrow and sadness" with U.S. counterpart Barack Obama and the families of the U.S. and Afghan victims, the statement said. The Taliban claimed to have shot down the troop-carrying Chinook helicopter during a firefight and killed 38 soldiers. The Islamist group also said in a statement that eight insurgents had been killed in torrid fighting. The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) confirmed a helicopter had crashed but gave no further details. The high casualties come only two weeks after the start of a gradual process of handing security responsibility from foreign forces to Afghan troops and police, and at a time of growing unease about the increasingly unpopular and costly war. That process is due to end with all foreign combat troops leaving Afghanistan by the end of 2014, but some U.S. lawmakers have already questioned whether that handover is fast enough. Incidents with heavy death tolls are sure to raise even more questions about the transition process and how much longer foreign troops should stay. The crash was by far the worst incident of the war for foreign troops and easily surpassed the worst incidents of battlefield losses. In April 2005, another CH-47 Chinook helicopter crashed, killing 15 U.S. servicemen and three civilian contractors. Another Chinook crash in June the same year killed 17 U.S. troops. WORRYING U.S. and other NATO commanders have claimed success in reversing the momentum of a growing insurgency in the Taliban heartland in the south, although insurgents have shown a worrying ability to adapt their tactics and mount major attacks in other areas. Those gains, however, have come at a price, with 711 foreign troops killed in Afghanistan in 2010, easily the deadliest year of the war for all concerned since the Taliban were toppled by U.S.-backed foreign troops in late 2001. The crash in Maidan Wardak means that at least 374 foreign troops have been killed so far in 2011, more than two-thirds of them American, according to independent monitor www.icasualties.com and figures kept by Reuters. Neither ISAF nor the U.S. military in Afghanistan confirmed whether there had been any casualties in the crash despite repeated telephone calls, much less any nationalities that might have been involved. The majority of foreign troops in Wardak, which comes under ISAF's eastern regional command, are American. Despite the alarming military toll, ordinary Afghan civilians have continued to bear the brunt of the war, with civilian casualties also hitting record levels in the first six months of this year, according to U.N. figures. Earlier on Saturday, Afghan police said a NATO air strike killed eight civilians in southern Helmand province on Friday. ISAF confirmed there had been an air strike in Helmand's Nad Ali district and said it was investigating whether civilians had been present at the time. Civilian casualties caused by foreign troops hunting Taliban fighters and other insurgents have long been a major source of friction between Kabul and its Western backers. Nad Ali district police chief Shidi Khan said the air strike was called in after insurgents attacked ISAF troops in the area. The victims of Friday's air strike in Helmand were members of a family that had fled fighting in neighboring Uruzgan province, police said. ISAF said the civilians may have been held hostage by the insurgents. The most contentious of the first seven areas to be handed over was the Helmand provincial capital of Lashkar Gah. Helmand province has been the site of some of the most vicious fighting of the war. Far more foreign troops have died there than in any other province and there are still several Helmand districts dominated by the Taliban. In the past month, insurgents have carried out a string of destabilizing assassinations of high-profile southern leaders, including president Karzai's half brother, and several large attacks killing police and civilians. A U.N. report last month said 1,462 civilians were killed in conflict-related incidents in the first six months of 2011, up 15 percent on the first half of 2010. It blamed insurgents for 80 percent of those deaths. (Additional reporting by Mustafa Andalib in GHAZNI and Mirwais Harooni and Haseeb Sadat in KABUL; Editing by Paul Tait and Ron Popeski) World
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#1. To: Ferret (#0)
Right - of course that was after ordering 31 replacements !
“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day, but a series of oppressions begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery”. Thomas Jefferson
Good. Thirty one less NWO Hessians.
Seems 25 of them were Seals.
Our SEALs are patriots and fine warriors. They don't create their own orders or exercise a policy agenda. Our disapproval should focus on the neocon establishment in the District, not our finest warriors.
I agree with your sentiment. Unfortunately, this war fueled Empire will continue until the costs are insurmountable. These men were dupes. Brave and dedicated, but dupes nonetheless.
These guy's killing days are over. If people would stop putting soldiers that are fighting these Jew wars on a pedestal it just might discourage them from fighting in them. I certainly don't see them as heroes. Fools maybe, but certainly not heroes.
God is always good!
In other words, they don't think for themselves. What good are people that don't think for themselves?
God is always good!
not a one of them would have died there had baalzabush and mammyjammyobammy not been such liars.
Even so, let's blame the civilian authorities, the president and Congress, for the policies that sent them there and have kept them there on a doomed nationbuilding exercise.
NATO Crash: 38 Killed Including 25 Navy SEALs in Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan - ABC News By MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz) and MIKE BOETTCHER Aug. 6, 2011 A helicopter crash in Afghanistan killed 31 Americans, including as many as 25 Navy SEALs in one of the worst single-day U.S. losses of life since the war began, a senior military official told ABC News early this morning. A total of 38 people were on board the Chinook helicopter when it crashed overnight in the eastern Afghan province of Wardak. Initial reports indicate up to 25 Navy SEALs were on the aircraft at the time. It was also carrying seven Afghan Special Forces troops, one interpreter, five member helicopter crew and one dog. Troops were apparently involved in a raid at the time.
They don't create their own orders or exercise a policy agenda. Our disapproval should focus on the neocon establishment in the District, not our finest warriors. Until they train their weapons on the true enemy of US, rather than innocent people, fuck them and the Humvee they rode in on. If you have the time rent the Tillman documentary. It's dead on.
raid, so is that like new speak for planned political murder these days?
They are there to take orders and do or die. Save the hate for the usual boobs in Congress, the neocon shills, the defense contractors and mercenary outfits, the Pentagon, etc.
The military is nowhere near the problem of the pols, the prez, the military-industrial complex, the neocon thinktanks and the spook agencies.
I feel the same. Now my distaste for this all voluntary killing machine called the US military didn't come overnight. I make a sharp distinction between these kids and those of years ago who were drafted and didn't have access to the material we have today, thanks to the 'net. The latter men have my full respect.
TC, I have little doubt they will turn on the American populace when ordered to do so. They unfortunately have a track record of such. They are the Palace Guard and they will put one between your eyes on command. Heroes? Not so much.
The kids of "years ago" were led into battle by the same f'n politicians that we look at today. Its easy as hell to blame the grunts, but if all of them were gone the problem would still be there. DAMN THE ELITISTS, ALL THE POLITICIANS and the joooooooooooos who wrote the plan and use their money to get it done. Your posts take the attention off those that are the REAL problem, Jethro. Use your energy for ridding this country of the phony bastards ruining and taking it from us.
The kids of years ago didn't have access to the mountains of material available to them today. And why can't I use my posts like everyone else does? It's my opinion. Others might hate it, but running away from what is obviously a rogue AmeriKan military isn't the concept of this forum, the last one I know of where free speech is still respected.
Have you read the thread http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=136705? That covers something you could use some of your anger and energy on. They are now going to do to our law enforcement what is being done to our military!!!
Damn, just damn. The SEAL's are about the only servicemen left that I have total respect for just because they ARE the best on the planet. This is a HUGE percentage of the total amount of SEAL's. I wonder if the jews in Israel give a flying-fuck that we sacrificed them upon their insane altar of Zionism?? I hope that this plants some seeds of doubt within the Navy and causes the chiefs to openly question our involvement "over there".
Did I say you couldn't? I, too, am grateful there is this forum, where free speech is still respected. I would do nothing to deny you your own opinions. It is the way one comes to know who they share space with on this earth. I respect diversity, Jethro. I was just voicing MY opinion.
If I woke up tomorrow and every cop in this nation was Raptured up to the Lord, I'd throw a kegger. Like the military thuggies, I have no use for them.
Were these the guys who killed OBL, and some of his assorted family members? If yes, why?
I know you too well to expect anything less.
Were these the guys who killed OBL, and some of his assorted family members? If yes, why?
You and I both know that these flag rank martinets are conditioned to feed men into the hopper the moment they are given the nod. Whether or not the sacrifice is in vain or whether the interests served are entirely opposed to the security of the Republic is entirely immaterial to them. They're like mafia button men and have scarcely more will left to them than the men they send into the field. The Chiefs don't do it for Israel in general I believe, but the policy makers and legislators and presidents who command them do. This stupid Zionist "War on Terror" is grinding to a shuddering halt. I shudder to think what is being cooked up right now in that rats' nest on the Potomac.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. I grew up next to the largest military base in the world, I learned to swim in the NAS Olympic sized pool, my scout leaders were UDT and CIA and at the age of 16 my most dedicated fans swapped stories about my guitar playing while bobbing in the MED for 6 to 12 months. I got to know many of the guys, most of who weren't much older than me and all of who were lonely, homesick and suffering in silence as they were treated like shit by local girls who saw them as just another nameless squid or marine. In fact if it wasn't for the Midwest and kids who never even saw the ocean or an aircraft carrier (or how badly squids and jarheads are treated in a military town) they'd have to conscript nearly every last squid to man those ships. But, whenever I see guys and gals in their turnout gear toting unloaded M2s and they're directing traffic at major intersections for reserve weekends I realize that if or when the day comes that they are herding Americans into, out of or away from areas under military jurisdiction pursuant to...blah blah executive order # 666 or whatever, I'm going to hate their fucking guts. And the people of Afghanistan have been sacrificing loved ones and conducting holy wars against foreign invaders since the days of Alexander The Queer, and those good folks have never called me no damned Goy! Our reasons for being there (the phony, patriotic mission as well as the real ones-a world without Afghan poppy is a world with unhappy royalty and other rich dynasties who intend to protect the income source they inherited as birthrights-and the planned pipeline and the need to eliminate hostiles who will almost certainly resist the occupation to protect that oil) just aren't good enough to waste lives-ours or the people of Afghanistan. Some asshole ordered those soldiers to board a Chinook and she or he knew damned well that some other asshole is profiteering off the sale of manpads to shoot those choppers down. And, 69 shekels says it was an American made, shoulder launched, heat seeking missile supplied to "the enemy" through some non Christian broker in New York City. Considering all the evidence that is here for the taking I believe that any volunteer for special forces must practice incredible, super human restraint to remain ignorant of the truth. Hell, even the Army War College openly discusses Israel's backstabbing skullduggery against their "ally". If a blinded-by-patriotism jock like Pat Tillman could figure out that it's all bullshit then all I can say is, if they can contrary to all the evidence, pretend to be doing The Lord's work then I hope they can pretend not to be dead when they're incinerated, evaporated or just wasted by one of many countless weapons sold by traitors (at NATO or in Tel Aviv or even New Jersey) to people who DO have good reasons to fight.
Don't worry about those bastards. There's karma, you know. Everything will right itself in the end. Before you know it, WE'LL get what's coming to THEM. That's how history works.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. They don't create their own orders or exercise a policy agenda. Our disapproval should focus on the neocon establishment in the District, not our finest warriors. I agree 100% with you. On the plus side though, they died fighting for Jesus and so are now sitting at the right hand of God, helping Him plan the war against Islam!
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Were these the guys who killed OBL, and some of his assorted family members? If yes, why? most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden 31 Americans, 7 Afghans killed in helicopter crash By SOLOMON MOORE Associated Press KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, along with seven Afghan commandos. It was the deadliest single incident for American forces in the decade-long war. **************
KIMBERLY DOZIER - Associated Press,LOLITA C. BALDOR - Associated Press | AP – 11 mins ago WASHINGTON (AP) — The Associated Press has learned that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden were among those lost in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. The operators from SEAL Team Six were flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. That's according to one current and one former U.S. official. Both spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified of the loss of their loved ones. One source says the team was thought to include 22 SEALs, three Air Force air controllers, seven Afghan Army troops, a dog and his handler, and a civilian interpreter, plus the helicopter crew. The sources thought this was the largest single loss of life ever for SEAL Team Six, known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
You beat me by 31 seconds! LOL! It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Dead men can't talk.
Unfortunately, I have a recurring nightmare. When the time comes for EXODUS RATTUS RATTUS they can be at JFK within the hour and all scheduled flights will be canceled under the newly-passed-in-emergency-session military emergency airlift act, and every fifteen minutes a fully loaded airliner (each with an extra ton of hidden gold and diamonds) will take off for a non stop flight to Tel Aviv. Delta to fly Atlanta-Tel Aviv direct "New service makes Atlanta second U.S. city with regular nonstop service to Israel. jewish, Christian, business groups worked together to push for flights" (Notice that "jewish" isn't capitalized but "Christian" is, and the headline states that both are pushing for the flights! HAHAHAHAHAH! Would it matter if Christian groups were indifferent to or even opposed to the plan? Them Heebs are so full of shit...)
The headstone carver is readying another marker for the graveyard of empires. U.S.A Uncle Samuel Azkanazi (Notice the last four letters)
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson
Not sure what p/c would go to the Lord, but I'd certainly go to the kegger.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson That ain't outside the bounds of contemplation, HD. However, given demographic trends over there when TSHTF, it might first be curtains for the Occupation State of Zion and it'll be the west-bound flights that will be all booked up. Hope you got a quiet, out of the way place in Montana to repair to.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. This is one of my least enjoyable sort of post to make, but in regard to our past argument concerning this war I made the wrong leap of faith on it, and deserve a good helping of crow for my support of it. Thanks for calling bullshit on me over it.
Dead men can't talk. That was my thought and speculation which was reinforced by the fact that there were 20 who were part of the Osama Bin Goldstein operation. Inconvenient witnesses seem to have a short life expectancy with the Feral Guffermint. I know a couple of the Jessica Lynch "heroes" came to untimely ends before she went public with the truth - just as Pat Tillman was whacked for having figured out the con and being ready to go public with it.
You're an honest man, Ferret. Glad to see you still posting here.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. We all make mistakes of judgement and loyalty is not a fault - not being willing to see and acknowledge it is a fault and being willing to acknowledge and take responsibility for errors is a virtue not a vice.
definitely a shut up any "witnesses" to a major barbarous act of shadyism operation.
I believe the P'stani guy who says the chopper crashed and burned in the compound. And the other locals who say UBL was never there.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Mike, we've had our political disagreements, but that said, very few Internet denizens would do a Mea culpa. Your post is a testament on how a mature adult behaves. Thanks, and I plan to use it as a personal lesson.
I respect diversity, Jethro. I was just voicing MY opinion. That's funny because I asked several questions that I believe unbiased observers would agree were the kind that one cannot weasel around and you suddenly piled on (with others, no doubt believing there was safety in numbers) and became an enemy of my free speech, and you insulted my intelligence in order to lick your buddy's ass. So, you approve of free speech for those who don't ask questions that force you to look at things about yourself that you cannot face. For instance, why did you sign up at Goldi's in the first place? (Tell me again how I don't have the intelligence to judge others, then explain how a man of your "intellect" failed to notice what that place was all about-you saw what I wrote about Goldi refugees which included you by inference and you decided to attack me, and you failed to make a case of substance, piling on instead with the flimsiest of arguments that addressed nothing I wrote.) The fact is you are just as I described you: A cowardly herd animal who operate(s) like (those in) bands of hyenas. And, questioning my intelligence (especially in light of the fact that you couldn't address a single question without revealing your hypocrisy) is never done by anyone except those who are without any intellectual ammo with which to mount a counter argument. The simple truth is, stupid people don't know that they're stupid. It took a while but you finally stepped on your own dick and revealed your hypocrisy and your intellectual deficit. So, tell us again how you can see through me. And, of course if you feel that you can make the case that my post was so egregious that I don't deserve free speech then, have at it! Otherwise it's checkmate, you cowardly, ass licking sycophant.
Well hot damn, 20-12, nice addition. The balls out corruption in this CORPORATION called AmeriKa *never* ceases to amaze me. Let me repeat this in case my position on *today's* US military isn't clear; the mofo's are low IQ Hessians, who if they return to the states, will aspire to become become blue clad, donut munching, citizen abusing piggies.Kill them there or here, it doesn't matter a wit to me. I'm solely interested in the bottom line.
Such a gentleman. I'm pleased to see that I am not the only target of one of your childish outbursts mislabled as a cogent reply. How could this possibly be "Revenge"? Does Allah actually give a shit about all his little Martyred morons who get to go to Virgin Ville when they die? This headline is utter crap. Unless the little terrorists KNEW who was on the helicopter, this is NOT revenge. I am so sick of this war, and all of the bullshit. Our politicians have got to go. We need LEADERS, not liars. It's time to pack up our military, and bring them home. They do not need to die, just so some oil company can maximize their profits.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
How long were you home from the jungle before joining the PD? Any idea the percentage of vets who join some sort of LE? Thanks.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I went into the NYPD @ 19 years old under what was then called a trainee program. At 19, I took, and passed, the academic and physical portion of the job. Our function was to free up cops from paperwork so they could get back out onto the street. It was successful, but disbanded nevertheless, because it seemed only white kids wanted it, or passed? When I turned 21, I automatically was appointed to the PD. As a trainee, my 1-A draft status, became 2-A, so I ducked the mess by the skin of my teeth. As far as the app. number of vets who went on to become police officers, it was high. I'd guess 75%. In fact, IIRC, a vet received 5 extra points on the written portion of the testing so they were being actively recruited.
Thanks for the information. The war on white males has done nothing but intensify since then.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I once thought this way but have since changed my mind. Keep 'em There is my new bumper sticker.
This statement, to me, makes no sense. Dis you mean: "These Seals are nowhere near the problem of the pols, the prez, the military-industrial complex, the neocon thinktanks and the spook agencies." "
If yes, why? Seems to me to be possible. One of the crew was a dog, prolly a very special dog, similar to the one used in the OBL op.
Some peopoo's needs to lighten up. I seen this type of unexpected aggression before. Bucky come to mind. Alcohol is sometimes involved.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. how much formaldehyde would it require for UBL to have been there?
Paul Craig Roberts call bullshit on the UBL op the same day that it was announced. Time and events have proved him way, way more correct than wrong in many arenas.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I seen this type of unexpected aggression before. Bucky come to mind. Alcohol is sometimes involved. I don't know what his problem is, but Alcohol seems to be a workable theory.
Rumor control says YES I told ya, they'd be whacked
"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman
HD's finger needs to be pointed right back at himself.
They will be using white males to prosecute that war too. You know that they can be fearsomely efficient.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. HD's finger needs to be pointed right back at himself. Or possibly stuck somewhere else.
I once thought this way but have since changed my mind. Keep 'em There is my new bumper sticker. Beer snort event.
Actually, "Leave 'Em There" is a better choice of words, as in, ABANDON-IN-PLACE.
Might be.
at what point does one's actions become his/her responsibility? i was just doing my job doesn't cut it forever.
BIIIIINGOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone's got to tie up the loose ends before the 9-11-11 milestone, and these wars have got to be wound down too. The bin Ladin myth has to be put to rest in a way that cannot be gainsaid by ostensible eyewitnesses. Trouble is that there are Pakistani eyewitnesses that tell another tale. Most of the furriners that I meet nowadays know that our government is full of shit with its narratives.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce a Green Beret or Navy Seal and a 10 cent bullet to kill one. The loser is the one that runs out of money first, not men.
*Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I invite you to compare the number of Irish, Italian, German, and Scandinavian political philosophers who have written on liberty and limited government with the number of English philosophers who published works on the subject" - Vox Day
well, if they didnt really take part in a 'heroic firefight' killing the world's biggest booogeyman & chose to bear false witness instead, maybe they reap what they sow. too bad for them.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
They received lawful orders, nothing here that violates the military and human rights protocols of the Geneva Conventions and other treaties we have signed. It was an entirely lawful action against counterinsurgents and the SEALs' service was honorable. I'm no fan of the military-industrial complex or these wars for empire. But our troops should be respected if they do their job and follow lawful orders. Of course, SEALs are the last guys who would ever refuse any order, they will accept suicide missions. It is part of their duty. They don't run, they don't quit, they don't refuse. Ever. That is much of what the incredibly harsh SEAL training is intended to instill in them. The same has been true of top elite troops ever since the Brits invented the commando in the WW II era. With the SEALs, we have reached the pinnacle of what can be accomplished with such troops.
In the millions, probably the tens of millions. They have the new stealth copters. It is widely believed that they have at least one nuclear sub that were retired from the active fleet (and probably more) and have had those subs since the Reagan years. Some of this is very expensive equipment to operate. The costs have to be assigned to the total cost of the SEAL program.
It was an entirely lawful action against counterinsurgents and the SEALs' service was honorable. Whenever our military murders innocent civilians are on the orders of our largely chicken-hawk civilian leadership usually on demonstrably trumped up grounds, a crime is committed. There has been just too much "collateral damage" in these phony wars that we have been fighting the past decade or so. For those that volunteer to fight in these conflicts, I have small regard and little sympathy. I do not thank them for their DIS-service. And as far as the elite troops among them go, they are the moral equivalent of an SS Waffen division, and that is how history will judge them.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. I believe you're right.
“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day, but a series of oppressions begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery”. Thomas Jefferson
You have less cause for making accusations of atrocity against elite troops. They aren't used the same way or on the same type of routine missions as our rank-and-file military. Given the general puniness of this particular operation, I'm surprised they bothered to risk using so many SEALs. Essentially, they flew out, found a nest of insurgents, called an air strike that killed 8 of them in a particular position, decided they had cleaned them out, and some raghead got off a lucky shot when they were taking off on the Chinook to return to base. The action was (to them) already over when they got killed by a lucky RPG hit. The real question to me is why they used so many SEALs on this mission. Were they lured by the Taliban (who desperately need a propaganda victory for recruiting and funding purposes)? Were they careless in failing to entirely clear the area of insurgents before lifting off in the chopper? Obviously so.
Puh-leeze. Even you don't believe that our statist historians and libmedia will ever describe "da toops" in those terms.
Today's news reports 38 (and one dog) as fatalities.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson same here. in fact they think the average american is stupid for believing the US Gov propaganda on 9/11 and these wars.
That was the initial report as well. It was 23 SEALs (I think), five of the special ops aircrew assigned to the SEALs (but not actual SEALs themselves), three "air controllers" (not otherwise specified as to their branch but they are associated with elite forces as they were during the Bin Laden killing), and a dog handler and his dog, and 7 Afghan troops which were probably their version of elite troops.
Yes, puh-leeze. The credibility of "our statist historians and libmedia" and those to the right of them, indeed the credibility of all of the establishment media in this country is close to zero. When this country gets the comeupance it is so desperately working to achieve, these folks will no longer be writing history. Whenever a robot killer plows into a Pashtun neighborhood in order to blow up one or two Islamist crazies and blows off the arms and legs of folks who are by any stretch non-combatants, it's not only those who direct those weapons who are guilty of crimes, it is also you and me. At least the Waffen SS believed that it was defending Europe from an order to the East that established itself through the murder of tens of millions of its own. These elite troops were engaged in a losing war in which their homeland was surrounded and outnumbered. Still, what that organization did in the prosecution that war was criminal. What is our excuse??
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Yeah, right. Ping me when that happens. American historians and libmedia have been propagandists for the state ever since the organized effort during WW I to bring this about. They experienced real failure following WW I when a few diehard historians exposed the real facts about WW I to the public in several outstanding books that shaped American understanding about that war. With WW II and ever since, the establishment has worked steadily to prevent any repeat of honest history about our wars being influential in public opinion. And this is a bipartisan effort. Both parties work to suppress the truth. No, it is not. We are in no position to control these excesses and massacres routinely staged by the District of Criminals and the military-industrial complex.
I ping you as it's happening. Don't look now, but the world no longer gives a shit what the Kalbs and the Krauthammers and all the other scrbblers and so-called historians that went to grad school with their like have to say.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. The loser is the one that runs out of money first, not men.
I told ya, they'd be whacked If true, they have some very deeply planted assets inside our military, which should come to no surprise to anyone who possesses a handful of still active brain cells. This ISN'T our father's military, a fact unfortunately lost on so many.
Thanks, tom.
Official word is that they were not the OBL team, but were Team Six seals.
And the "offishul" word is to be granted credibility why? This is the same government that told us they whacked Osama Bin Dead Ten Years this year? That aircraft fuel can melt steel? There is no credible confirmation one way or another, but the psychotic murderers running our government are not beyond whacking witnesses who might have some "inconvenient truths".
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Of course, the official credibility is just about zero.
Start with the CIC, then work your way on down.
"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman
Tell that to the Chinese-made American flag wavers. Spit.
A brief message from our Líder. It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Hope you got a quiet, out of the way place in Montana to repair to. You're right. And, many analysts agree with you that Israel may be the first place to take it in the shorts. I suppose I had locked into the assumption that if the only "anti-Semitic pogrom" at the time was conducted by Justice and the "innocent targets" were seeking sanctuary from indictments, well, you know the rest. Of course if the whole world simultaneously heaves in the attempt to regurgitate their last feeding of jooshit then Israel may be hit with everything from Molotovs from the 2nd class non humans in residence to nukes from Pakistan. Which is why I'm confident that at least on Israeli trustee is charged with the responsibility of carrying the panic button, perhaps on a "help, I've fallen and I can't get up" pendant around his neck. That way, no matter how sudden Armageddon comes home to them it is their earnest hope that someone will be able to launch and kill multi-millions of those damned European and Arab Gentiles.
LoL. How dare you diss the disadvantaged hero grunts who are being taken advantage of by the sneaky elites? Without the grunts, you wouldn't even have the freedom to post here!!! /C
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Well, randge and JT may graciously let you off the hook but I'm not gonna! You're a goddam commie peacenik traitor for changing your mind and withdrawing your support of the troops who provide the umbrella of freedom under which you sleep each night! If it wasn't for those brave souls we'd be up to our asses in Afghans firing howitzers and leveling our neighborhoods and elementary schools! Wake up and join the Republican Party before it's too late! (This message was paid for by The Log Cabin Republicans and the Conservos for a Drug Free America. Remember, if you get caught with a joint in your mouth it better have two nuts attached!)
Damn.
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Another Chinook helicopter crash lands in Afghanistan days after Taliban kills 38 | Mail Online * NATO reports no casualties * Taliban claim responsibility for 'hard landing' * Demonstrations after claims civilians were killed in night raids * Incidents come barely two weeks after foreign troops began first phases of withdrawal from Afghanistan By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 1:37 PM on 8th August 2011
IMO, the Russians have given the Taliban the equivalent of our Stinger missile. What goes around, comes around. Let enough of our "hero grunts" come home in pine boxes and the MIC will have less tools to play with. I have *zero* sympathy for these AmeriKan invaders. They knew the deal going in.
IMO, the Russians have given the Taliban the equivalent of our Stinger missile. What goes around, comes around. Let enough of our "hero grunts" come home in pine boxes and the MIC will have less tools to play with. I have *zero* sympathy for these AmeriKan invaders. They knew the deal going in. Aaron Carson Vaughn - Photos of the Fallen: Americans shot down in Afghanistan - Pictures | WJLA.com
The media always plays on people's emotions.
Hee, hee. I was searching through some of my back postings and saw that big juicy plum sitting there and I just had to pick it. ;-)
"The American soldiers actually have more in common with the people they are killing than with the billionaires who are sending them to war."
Same is true of any military. It is part of their purpose. Other than true warrior nations like ancient Greece's city-states or maybe Prussia under the Junkers, it remains almost universally true. So I'm not objecting to your observation, merely pointing out that this is the norm, not anything exceptional.
Might be. US officers oppose releasing names of dead troops - Yahoo! News The chief of the secretive US special operations command has lobbied against the release of names of American commandos killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, officials said Tuesday. The remains of the 30 US service members killed in the helicopter crash were returned to the United States on Tuesday at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. But despite requests from news organizations, a solemn transfer ceremony at Dover attended by President Barack Obama and other top officials was closed to the media. The military said the fallen troops could not be identified "due to the catastrophic nature of the crash," and that next-of-kin were not in a position to grant approval for media access to the transfer ceremony.
for some reason, i can't see your post 100. what is it?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Even Prussians didn't like getting their asses shot up. In the Seven Year's War. Frederick II's troop ran off on him in a battle with the Austrians. Frederick hollered after them, "Hunde, wollt ihr ewig leben?" - "Dogs, do you want to live forever?"
It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. That aircraft fuel can melt steel? There is no credible confirmation one way or another, but the psychotic murderers running our government are not beyond whacking witnesses who might have some "inconvenient truths". Obama pays respects, questions remain in Afghan crash | Reuters By Jeff Mason DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, Delaware | Tue Aug 9, 2011 6:04pm EDT Three days after Taliban militants shot down a Chinook helicopter, killing all 38 people on board, many questions remain -- including whether protocol was followed as elite U.S. forces were sent to help comrades in a firefight. The deaths have resonated in the United States because of the sheer number of casualties and because many of them came from the same Navy SEAL unit that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. None of the dead men were involved in that raid in Pakistan in early May. While the number of casualties was a stark reminder of the costs of the Afghan war -- it was the single deadliest incident of the 10-year conflict -- the Pentagon strictly barred reporters from witnessing the ceremony. Because of the catastrophic nature of the crash, the military has been unable to individually identify the remains of the victims, including those of Afghans. Pentagon officials said that meant U.S. military families could not give their consent to reporters to cover the repatriations, consent that is required under U.S. government policy. Obama and top military officials joined families in witnessing what the Pentagon called the "dignified transfer" of remains at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, home of the largest U.S. military mortuary.
Seeking another term, the kenyan shows up, first time ever, for a funeral. What a coon-ass joke.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson What a coon-ass joke. Because of the catastrophic nature of the crash, the military has been unable to individually identify the remains of the victims, including those of Afghans.
Oh, it was just one word: "Hunnert!
That is a puzzler. Not enough data to do more that speculate, but it suggests the possibility that the chopper was wired and somebody wanted to make damn sure that there were no survivors. It suggests an explosion more powerful that that of a shoulder launched anti-aircraft rocket. While that is speculation, clearly labeled as such, we can observe the apparent fact that the remains were so badly damaged they could not be separated.
That is a puzzler. Not enough data to do more that speculate, but it suggests the possibility that the chopper was wired and somebody wanted to make damn sure that there were no survivors. It suggests an explosion more powerful that that of a shoulder launched anti-aircraft rocket. While that is speculation, clearly labeled as such, we can observe the apparent fact that the remains were so badly damaged they could not be separated. It will be interesting what the future historical text books have to say about this. Most likely just a continuation of the 911 fairy tale.
It will be one of two ways. If the good people end up coming back from the precipice it will be regarded as the darkest period of our history. Otherwise it will be buried with the bodies.
A chinook falling like a stone from cruising altitude would as likely as not break any human remains into shovel and/or tweezer sized pieces. And, as with Ground Zero our govt won't be bothered trying to ID small pieces of those who are of no further use. They'll just break them into roughly equal piles and bag them up for the caskets. Your wild eyed speculations are just so much self aggrandizing bullshit. And those who don't call you on it are equally guilty of using this site for mutually flattering circle jerks. "....suggests the possibility that the chopper was wired..."? Do tell, Nostradamus. The Tenn sheriff who was on the scene of the crash that killed Patsy Cline said that there were no bodies, but only pieces of human remains. (a fixed wing plane in a heavily wooded area and no "explosives" were involved.) And, Aeroméxico Flight 498 (crashed on approach to LAX in Los Cerritos, CA in 1986) was featured in the film MANY FACES OF DEATH (1 or 2) and the video showed chunks of human remains on the streets but nothing that was readily recognizable as human. To imply that the helicopter was "wired" (as opposed to having exploded from the impact with the rocky ground after plummeting thousands of feet as well as a missile possibly detonating what was essentially a flying gas can) without viewing any evidence or reviewing a comprehensive accident reconstruction report can only be your lame attempt to make your suspicions "go viral" on the net, just as you hope to disadvantage me by feeding a rumor that I'm an alcoholic. (even though my total yearly consumption can be counted on one hand) The fact that you cannot address my criticism will eventually be juxtaposed with those posts where you do argue with folks and it will be obvious (even to you despite your frantic attempts at diversion) that you employ such a shabby tactic because you haven't a leg on which to perch. In other words, you believe that the lies you tell that aren't immediately revealed as such are the same as the truth. And the fact that you're seemingly unconcerned about the implications of the cumulative evidence is further proof that you are a stupid shit whose ego self portrait hinges on the silly things you write. (or copy) Even when you contradict yourself within the same post ("I agree and I disagree but I'M NOT AMBIVALENT!"- too funny, and I can't believe you were foolish enough to reveal for all to see your possible decaying dendrites and misfiring synapses) you bounce back secure in your belief that you're a "respected author of brilliant dissertations" that are brimming with uncredited quotes which I will begin to expose in your future plagiarisms. I may simply locate the source of the stolen material and post it with no accompanying commentary just to underscore your desperate attempts to deflect attention onto me. Hey, (your ego must be bruised so) now is a good time for one of your brilliant white papers, don't you think? Why don't you get started on it right away? ________________________________________ "That is a puzzler. Not enough data to do more that speculate, but it suggests the possibility that the chopper was wired and somebody wanted to make damn sure that there were no survivors. It suggests an explosion more powerful that(sic) that of a shoulder launched anti-aircraft rocket. While that is speculation, clearly labeled as such, we can "observe"(?) (try a dictionary shithead) the apparent fact that the remains were so badly damaged they could not be separated."" (And just where was this "apparent fact"? DNA analyses are costly and time consuming and the Pentagon has even been accused of burying remains in The Tomb Of The Unknown that could have been identified. Put that in your spekalaytur and smoke it) (The most important ***"apparent fact"*** is that Original_Intent has been on the scene of oodles of chopper crashes and this one is reelee suspicious so, heed his wirdz of wizdum!) Who among you buys this nonsense? Why would any adult of reasonable intelligence allow Original_Intent to read a news report and "extract hidden truths that we dummies must have missed" then feed it to you? Between your compliments for plagiarized work and your sympathetic silence when he uses your support to publicly jerk himself off you're creating a monster. He couldn't write a linear, logical and meaningful blog under his own byline and yet he comes here and bullshits and insults his way into a shared delusion of legendary (in mental health quarters) status. Some of you need to abandon who you believed yourselves to be at TOS then try to measure up to 4um standards. Or, better yet why don't you start another website for victims and survivors and take O_I with you as your tone setting spirit guide/gang attack leader? While that is speculation, clearly labeled as such, we can observe the apparent fact that such a bold, decisive move would raise the standards....there and here.
I don't believe/trust anything the government and/or the main street media tells us. They have both been exposed as liars.
I am greatly amused. You become more strident and wild eyed as each and every one of your personal attacks just bounces and goes crashing to the ground in flames. Don't flatter yourself - other people are noticing how "over the top" you are becoming so there is no great need to waste a lot of my time countering your enthusiastic babbles. U.S.: Taliban Who Downed Copter Killed.. - The New York Times
Commandos criticize call for SEALs - Washington Times Rangers’ danger, single helicopter among questions
They have both been exposed as liars. At this point in time that is the most prudent course. At this point we've gone from lies to enter the U.S. into WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and now the debacle in the middle east. We've seen Waco, Ruby Ridge, OKC, and 911 with none of the preposterous government explanations holding up to close inspection and yet the media propounds upon them slavishly as though they were holy writ. No, at this point in time their word and pronouncements are worthless and never to be trusted without verification.
Gosh, now isn't that surprisingly convenient. Not only do we not have any more on site witnesses to the pseudosama whacking, but the people who supposedly whacked them got whacked. My, will wonders never cease.
Gosh, now isn't that surprisingly convenient. Not only do we not have any more on site witnesses to the pseudosama whacking, but the people who supposedly whacked them got whacked. Just a coincidence. Are you some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist? (just kidding)
More questions. Yes, why stuff them all in one chopper? Incompetence? OR Convenience?
Are you some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist? Yeah, coincidences like this happen every day - kind of like winning the lottery two weeks running. ;-)
Five U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan: Pentagon | Reuters WASHINGTON | Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:35am EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A roadside bomb killed five U.S. troops in southern Afghanistan Thursday, a Pentagon official told Reuters, less than a week after 30 American forces were killed in the deadliest incident involving U.S. troops in the Afghan war. The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) had previously said that five foreign troops had been killed, but declined to give their nationalities. Asked by Reuters, a Pentagon spokesman said they were American troops. (Reporting by Phil Stewart; Editing by Will Dunham)
Are you some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist? Yeah, coincidences like this happen every day - kind of like winning the lottery two weeks running. ;-) CNN said the Chinook helicopter PROBABLY crashed after it was PROBABLY shot down by the Taliban with a missile PROBABLY made in Iran.
One of AJ's sources said that those guys were Pat Tillmaned (my words, not his).
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson
They have both been exposed as liars. True that. I wrote a lengthy speculation about airborne bodies and/or parts and their missiled helicopter reaching approximate terminal velocity then further disintegrating upon impact. For all I know those poor bastards were gassed while in REM sleep or drilled through their skulls like 3P2D- Poor Pat the Patriot-Disillusioned and Deceased perhaps because they knew too much. As with the airmen who handled the inexplicably loaded and poorly explained nuke that went missing after its flight from Minot to Barksdale, *at least 2 LIVE CREW died in single vehicle "accidents", perhaps before they had time to ponder the long term consequences or read the possible worst case scenarios that some of our gifted virtual sibs in the Patriot Movement uploaded to the net. The soulless creatures with asses form fitted to their crushed velvet chairs make decisions, issue proclamations and death warrant decrees that would drive men of conscience to mental illness. The shadow govt types are incapable of guilt or shame not unlike predatory, meal worm-munching lizards and eatiblus anythingiblus tiger sharks. Assuming that the reported facts in a tragic news story are accurate exposes me to criticism because only Pollyannas give the govt and their dutiful blowjob stenos in the respectable media the benefit of the doubt. In the absence of any way to verify the "facts" perhaps I should preface what write (for my own or friendly others' entertainment) with a blanket disclaimer, perhaps a sig line that would cover all my future posts and all their future lies. _______________________________ *Some stories floating around assert that all six ground crew members are now dead: http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465 http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAK... http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988 http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html
Afghan President Hamid Karzai "shared his deep sorrow and sadness" with U.S. counterpart Barack Obama and the families of the U.S. and Afghan victims, the statement said.
#2. To: Ferret (#0)
NATO helicopter crashes in Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. troops
#3. To: Ferret (#0)
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
#5. To: TooConservative (#4)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Thirty one less NWO Hessians.
#7. To: TooConservative (#4)
They don't create their own orders or exercise a policy agenda.
#8. To: Ferret (#0)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#9. To: RickyJ (#7)
In other words, they don't think for themselves. What good are people that don't think for themselves?
#10. To: Ferret (#0)
#11. To: tom007, Ferret (#3)
Seems 25 of them were Seals.
#12. To: TooConservative, 4 (#4)
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Our SEALs are patriots and fine warriors.
#13. To: TwentyTwelve (#11)
Troops were apparently involved in a raid at the time.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#14. To: RickyJ (#7)
In other words, they don't think for themselves. What good are people that don't think for themselves?
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
Until they train their weapons on the true enemy of US, rather than innocent people, fuck them and the Humvee they rode in on.
#16. To: RickyJ (#6)
These guy's killing days are over. If people would stop putting soldiers that are fighting these Jew wars on a pedestal it just might discourage them from fighting in them. I certainly don't see them as heroes. Fools maybe, but certainly not heroes.
#17. To: TooConservative (#15)
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
I make a sharp distinction between these kids and those of years ago who were drafted and didn't have access to the material we have today ...
#19. To: Phant2000 (#18)
The kids of "years ago" were led into battle by the same f'n politicians that we look at today. Its easy as hell to blame the grunts, but if all of them were gone the problem would still be there.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#21. To: Phant2000, Jethro Tull (#20)
Have you read the thread http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=136705? That covers something you could use some of your anger and energy on. They are now going to do to our law enforcement what is being done to our military!!!
#22. To: tom007 (#3)
Seems 25 of them were Seals.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
And why can't I use my posts like everyone else does?
#24. To: Phant2000 (#20)
Have you read the thread http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=136705? That covers something you could use some of your anger and energy on. They are now going to do to our law enforcement what is being done to our military!!!
#25. To: X-15 (#22)
SEALS
#26. To: Phant2000 (#23)
I respect diversity, Jethro. I was just voicing MY opinion.
#27. To: Jethro Tull, X-15 (#25)
SEALS
#28. To: X-15 (#22)
I hope that this plants some seeds of doubt within the Navy and causes the chiefs to openly question our involvement "over there".
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#29. To: Jethro Tull, TooConservative, James Deffenbach, christine, Lod, HAPPY2BME-4UM, Flintlock (#17)
I have little doubt they will turn on the American populace when ordered to do so. They unfortunately have a track record of such. They are the Palace Guard and they will put one between your eyes on command. Heroes? Not so much.
#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)
unhappy royalty and other rich dynasties . . . some non Christian broker in New York City
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#31. To: TooConservative (#4)
Our SEALs are patriots and fine warriors.
#32. To: Jethro Tull, X-15 (#25)
SEALS
#33. To: Ferret, all (#0)
It looks like the US government is cleaning up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#32)
#35. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, All (#34)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#36. To: randge (#30)
There's karma, you know.
#37. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#12)
#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#34)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
If I woke up tomorrow and every cop in this nation was Raptured up to the Lord, I'd throw a kegger. Like the military thuggies, I have no use for them.
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
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#41. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#42. To: TwentyTwelve, F.A. Hayek Fan, All (#35)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#43. To: Ferret (#41)
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#44. To: Ferret, Jethro Tull (#41)
#45. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, TwentyTwelve (#34)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#46. To: IRTorqued, 4 (#45)
#47. To: Ferret (#41)
This is one of my least enjoyable sort of post to make, but in regard to our past argument concerning this war I made the wrong leap of faith on it, and deserve a good helping of crow for my support of it. Thanks for calling bullshit on me over it.
#48. To: Phant2000, Jethro Tull (#23)
Did I say you couldn't? I, too, am grateful there is this forum, where free speech is still respected. I would do nothing to deny you your own opinions. It is the way one comes to know who they share space with on this earth.
#49. To: TwentyTwelve, 4um (#32)
#50. To: HOUNDDAWG, Phant2000, Jethro Tull (#48)
"Noise proves nothing. Often a hen who has merely laid an egg cackles as if she laid an asteroid." ~ Mark Twain
Phant2000, Today: "The kids of "years ago" were led into battle by the same f'n politicians that we look at today."
Smedley Butler, 1935: "War is a Racket."
#51. To: TwentyTwelve (#32)
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
#53. To: Lod (#52)
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
#55. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#51)
It's time to pack up our military, and bring them home.
#56. To: TooConservative (#15)
The military is nowhere near the problem of the pols, the prez, the military-industrial complex, the neocon thinktanks and the spook agencies.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
Were these the guys who killed OBL, and some of his assorted family members?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#58. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, Phant2000, Jethro Tull (#50)
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"It's a absurd insinuation."
#59. To: Lod (#46)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#60. To: IRTorqued, 4 (#59)
#61. To: randge, HOUNDDAWG, Phant2000, Jethro Tull (#58)
Some peopoo's needs to lighten up.
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
Were these the guys who killed OBL, and some of his assorted family members?
#63. To: Original_Intent (#50)
Such a gentleman. I'm pleased to see that I am not the only target of one of your childish outbursts mislabled as a cogent reply.
#64. To: Lod (#54)
The war on white males has done nothing but intensify since then.
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#65. To: Phant2000 (#63)
Such a gentleman. I'm pleased to see that I am not the only target of one of your childish outbursts mislabled as a cogent reply.
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
It's time to pack up our military, and bring them home.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Keep 'em There is my new bumper sticker.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#69. To: TooConservative (#9)
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#70. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#34)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#71. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#34)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
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#72. To: Ferret (#0)
#73. To: Original_Intent, twentytwelve (#42)
#74. To: christine (#69)
at what point does one's actions become his/her responsibility? i was just doing my job doesn't cut it forever.
#75. To: Turtle (#72)
It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce a Green Beret or Navy Seal and a 10 cent bullet to kill one.
#76. To: TooConservative (#74)
They received lawful orders, nothing here that violates the military and human rights protocols of the Geneva Conventions and other treaties we have signed.
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#77. To: randge (#76)
And as far as the elite troops among them go, they are the moral equivalent of an SS Waffen division, and that is how history will judge them.
#78. To: randge (#76)
Whenever our military murders innocent civilians are on the orders of our largely chicken-hawk civilian leadership usually on demonstrably trumped up grounds, a crime is committed.
#79. To: randge (#76)
And as far as the elite troops among them go, they are the moral equivalent of an SS Waffen division, and that is how history will judge them.
#80. To: TooConservative, 4 (#79)
#81. To: randge (#71)
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Most of the furriners that I meet nowadays know that our government is full of shit with its narratives.
#82. To: Lod (#80)
Today's news reports 38 (and one dog) as fatalities.
#83. To: TooConservative (#79)
Puh-leeze. Even you don't believe that our statist historians and libmedia will ever describe "da toops" in those terms.
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#84. To: randge (#83)
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When this country gets the comeupance it is so desperately working to achieve, these folks will no longer be writing history.
Whenever a robot killer plows into a Pashtun neighborhood in order to blow up one or two Islamist crazies and blows off the arms and legs of folks who are by any stretch non-combatants, it's not only those who direct those weapons who are guilty of crimes, it is also you and me.
#85. To: TooConservative (#84)
Yeah, right. Ping me when that happens.
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#86. To: Turtle, Ferret (#72)
(Edited)
It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce a Green Beret or Navy Seal and a 10 cent bullet to kill one.
#87. To: Flintlock (#62)
Rumor control says YES
#88. To: tom007 (#57)
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#90. To: tom007 (#89)
#91. To: tom007, Jethro Tull (#89)
Official word is that they were not the OBL team, but were Team Six seals.
#92. To: tom007, Jethro Tull (#89)
#93. To: Original_Intent (#90)
And the "offishul" word is to be granted credibility why?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
they have some very deeply planted assets inside our military,
#95. To: Flintlock (#94)
#96. To: Flintlock (#94)
Start with the CIC
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#97. To: randge (#40)
That ain't outside the bounds of contemplation, HD. However, given demographic trends over there when TSHTF, it might first be curtains for the Occupation State of Zion and it'll be the west-bound flights that will be all booked up.
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
fuck them and the Humvee they rode in on.
#99. To: Ferret, randge, Jethro tull (#41)
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This is one of my least enjoyable sort of post to make, but in regard to our past argument concerning this war I made the wrong leap of faith on it, and deserve a good helping of crow for my support of it. Thanks for calling bullshit on me over it.
#100. To: Artisan (#98)
#101. To: Original_Intent (#100)
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#102. To: christine, F.A. Hayek Fan (#70)
#103. To: TwentyTwelve (#102)
* Taliban claim responsibility for 'hard landing'
#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
* Taliban claim responsibility for 'hard landing'
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#104)
Aaron Carson Vaughn - Photos of the Fallen: Americans shot down in Afghanistan - Pictures | WJLA.com
#106. To: randge (#101)
Damn.
#107. To: TooConservative, RickyJ (#14)
They are there to take orders and do or die.
#108. To: TwentyTwelve (#107)
"The American soldiers actually have more in common with the people they are killing than with the billionaires who are sending them to war."
#109. To: Ada (#68)
It looks like the US government is tying up loose ends in the Bin Laden saga.
#110. To: Original_Intent (#100)
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#111. To: TooConservative (#108)
Other than true warrior nations like ancient Greece's city-states or maybe Prussia under the Junkers, it remains almost universally true.
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"It's a absurd insinuation."
#112. To: Original_Intent, tom007 (#90)
This is the same government that told us they whacked Osama Bin Dead Ten Years this year?
#113. To: TwentyTwelve (#112)
#114. To: Lod (#113)
Seeking another term, the kenyan shows up, first time ever, for a funeral.
#115. To: Artisan (#110)
for some reason, i can't see your post 100. what is it?
#116. To: TwentyTwelve, Lod (#114)
Because of the catastrophic nature of the crash, the military has been unable to individually identify the remains of the victims, including those of Afghans.
#117. To: Original_Intent, Lod (#116)
Because of the catastrophic nature of the crash, the military has been unable to individually identify the remains of the victims, including those of Afghans.
#118. To: Original_Intent (#116)
#119. To: TwentyTwelve (#117)
It will be interesting what the future historical text books have to say about this.
#120. To: Original_Intent, (#116)
That is a puzzler. Not enough data to do more that speculate, but it suggests the possibility that the chopper was wired and somebody wanted to make damn sure that there were no survivors. It suggests an explosion more powerful that that of a shoulder launched anti-aircraft rocket. While that is speculation, clearly labeled as such, we can observe the apparent fact that the remains were so badly damaged they could not be separated.
#121. To: HOUNDDAWG, Original_Intent (#120)
#122. To: HOUNDDAWG (#120)
#123. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#122)
#124. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#122)
#125. To: TwentyTwelve, WHIMPERINGPUPPY, hOUNDaWg, all (#121)
I don't believe/trust anything the government and/or the main street media tells us.
#126. To: TwentyTwelve (#123)
U.S.: Taliban Who Downed Copter Killed.. - The New York Times
#127. To: Original_Intent (#126)
U.S.: Taliban Who Downed Copter Killed.. - The New York Times
#128. To: TwentyTwelve (#124)
Commandos criticize call for SEALs - Washington Times
#129. To: TwentyTwelve (#127)
Just a coincidence.
#130. To: Original_Intent (#122)
#131. To: Original_Intent (#129)
Just a coincidence.
#132. To: TwentyTwelve (#131)
#133. To: All (#131)
#134. To: TwentyTwelve, christine, Ferret, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, buckeroo, Lod (#121)
I don't believe/trust anything the government and/or the main street media tells us.
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