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Published: Aug 15, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-08-15 15:35:24 by Jethro Tull
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Plaza mayhem prompts call for change

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By MIKE HENDRICKS and ERIC ADLER

The Kansas City Star

Kansas City Mayor Sly James vowed Sunday that he’d take steps to end large, nighttime gatherings of unsupervised teenagers and preteens on the Country Club Plaza by holding parents to account.

How, he didn’t know.

But whatever plan is developed, it will be a joint effort of the mayor and the City Council, James said after consultation with school officials, police and the juvenile court, among others. And James promised that the plan will be in place before next weekend.

It may or may not include an early curfew, as some are calling for.

“We can’t expect that imposing a curfew is going to stop some 15-, 16-, 17-year-old from bringing a gun to anywhere,” he said at an afternoon City Hall news conference. “On the other hand, we should be able to expect parents not to have their 13-year-old children on the Plaza  getting shot.”

His announcement came a day after the Saturday night shooting that saw three youths wounded and the mayor forced to the ground by his security team. James, along with former Councilman Alvin Brooks and a group of ministers, was at the Plaza talking with kids and assessing the crowd problem in response to calls from Plaza owner Highwoods Properties and others to roll back the current midnight curfew on weekends to 9 p.m.

“A curfew would have merit in our view, but that is a decision our capable mayor and his team of municipal experts need to weigh,” Highwoods said in a statement issued Sunday.

The shootings occurred shortly before 11 p.m. Saturday near 47th and Wyandotte streets. When shots rang out — witnesses reported hearing five or six — James was about 50 yards away. His two bodyguards pushed him to the ground and drew their guns.

“They basically forced me into the flowerbeds by the Cheesecake Factory,” James said.

He was uninjured. But two boys and a girl — 13, 15 and 16 years old — were wounded. A bullet grazed the girl’s face, and the two boys were shot in their legs, police said. None of the injuries was life-threatening. James said all three youths were in stable condition on Sunday.

Kansas City police continue to investigate the shootings and interview witnesses. Police believe some witnesses know the shooters’ identities but are reluctant to reveal their names.

The Plaza has been the scene of large crowds of underage people both this year and last, mostly on warm weekend evenings in the spring, summer and fall. Some come to see a movie and others are there simply to hang out, James said.

Generally, they are well behaved, but there have been sporadic bouts of violence and disorder.

The first notable occurrence was on April 10, 2010, when as many as 900 youths, some as young as 11, converged on the shopping and entertainment district that Saturday night. Police responded to reports of vandalism and assaults. One group of teens robbed and beat a couple from Grandview. A girl in a prom dress was shoved into a fountain. Fights broke out.

Police used pepper spray to disperse groups who refused to move along when instructed to do so.

Afterward, city officials and community leaders expressed their concern by staging a summit to look for ways to deal with the situation. The general agreement was that kids needed more activities.

At the time, City Councilwoman Cindy Circo said she would put together a “youth master plan” to see where there might be gaps between programs like Night Hoops basketball and other activities. However, no plan was developed. Circo now says she is unconvinced that more city-sponsored activities are the solution.

“We can have organized programs, but the kids who need to be there, aren’t,” she said in an interview before Saturday’s incident.

Circo, the mayor pro-tem, was at James’ side on Sunday as the mayor acknowledged that while more youth activities would give kids more things to do, it was not the city’s responsibility alone. Churches, schools and businesses, also, need to get involved, he said. But most of all he blamed parents for allowing their children to roam unattended late into the night at the Plaza and other gathering places in the city.

“We have a youth problem on the Plaza, but first and foremost we have a parent problem,” he said.

James said many of the kids he spoke with Saturday were from Wyandotte County, Grandview, Raymore and other suburbs, and had been dropped off by their parents. Any new plan of action the city develops, James said, needs to be aimed at getting the attention of parents who, he said, use the Plaza as “a babysitter.”

“How do we hold parents responsible?” he asked.

Police have repeatedly called on parents to be more responsible.

Philadelphia over the weekend began enforcing a 9 p.m. curfew on Fridays and Saturdays in areas that have seen even worse problems than Kansas City has experienced. Police arrested about 50 people the first night. Teens can be fined up to $300 and parents $500.

Kansas City’s current curfew is midnight on weekends and 11 p.m. the rest of the week. An initial violation results in a $1 fine. Subsequent violations are $500 or probation, which includes family counseling.

Exceptions to the curfew include going to work, school activities and doing errands for a parent, among others.

Among Plaza merchants who spoke with a reporter on Sunday there was a strong consensus that serious steps are needed to solve what they see as a serious problem.

“This isn’t the first time. There have been multiple shootings,” said Lydia Wade, 19, an employee at Cold Stone Creamery, citing an instance several weeks back in which gunshots were fired just west of the Plaza along 47th Street.

Wade said that only recently has she felt less safe and greater trepidation at the Plaza. Although Wade did not work this most recent Saturday night, she said she often does work the late Saturday night shift.

“Usually, Saturday nights, there are large groups of children who don’t even look like they should be on their own,” she said. “They’re out at, like, 11 p.m. They look like they’re 7 or 8 years old.”

She recalled one night seeing a band of what she estimated to be 20 to 40 teenagers and young children just walking together down the center of 47th Street.

“The police had to chase them out of the street,” she said.

A handful of merchants said they are torn between striking a balance between the rights of kids to congregate against business interests and the safety of other Plaza-goers.

“As a businessperson, it’s not good for business,” said Jocelyn Scoggin, an employee at the nearby shop Origins. “But do the kids have the right to walk where they want? They do.”

In an ill economy, she said, neither the Plaza nor the city can afford a reputation that damages commerce.

Scoggin said that after Saturday night’s shooting, she understands how the parents of any child, particularly teenagers, would be reluctant to send their children to the Plaza unaccompanied on a weekend night.

At N Valentino, manager Julie Brunson, 27, supports a curfew even though her store closes at 8 p.m.

“It doesn’t matter whether it happens at 8 at night or 2 in the morning,” she said of the violence. “When you have situations like this where people work, people live, people shop, it doesn’t help. I don’t want it to give people the wrong idea of the Plaza.”

On Saturday night, P.F. Chang’s manager Tony Hayman, 35, said he heard what he believed to be the first of at least six gunshots about 10:45 p.m. The doors to the restaurant had already been locked, he said, because of the late hour.

He said his first concern was to keep patrons inside as a mass of kids ran through the Plaza and police descended on horseback and in patrol cars. At least one helicopter hovered above.

“What really made it surreal was to see the yellow crime scene tape wrapped around the Plaza,” he said.

All open shops on the Plaza, he said, ended up closing early, including P.F. Chang’s.

“People were calling us and asking if there was a riot,” he said.

On Sunday, Hallie and Rob Stewart of Lenexa strolled along the Plaza with their 7-month-old son, Braylon. The couple moved to Kansas City in March from the Minneapolis area. They hadn’t heard of the shooting, but said that they recalled that several years ago the Mall of America was also forced to take measures, including a curfew, when groups of teenagers became overwhelming.

“I can see both sides of it,” Rob Stewart said. “On one hand, teenagers like to linger around. But I have to tell you, in terms of the economic impact, I’d rather have a curfew and make things safer than not


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Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-15   15:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Police have repeatedly called on parents to be more responsible.

Only , if they knew who their parents were.

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-15   15:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Flintlock, 4 (#2)

So right you are, and we, having lived through the massive riots of the early, mid and late 60s, can easily see the pattern shaping up. This is going to be one ugly motherfu**er, and I as a White refuse to shoulder any guilt. Bring it the eff on. The nation is fractured, and now it needs to be split once and for all. In ten years, given the current unfettered influx of human debris, it will be too late.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-15   16:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#3)

Guessing that one warning shot across the bow would have cleared that Stop and Steal muy pronto.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-08-15   16:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

James said many of the kids he spoke with Saturday were from Wyandotte County, Grandview, Raymore and other suburbs, and had been dropped off by their parents. Any new plan of action the city develops, James said, needs to be aimed at getting the attention of parents who, he said, use the Plaza as “a babysitter.”

Parents who use the Plaza as a babysitter deserve to be held responsible for any harm that may come to their children, and should be liable for the property damages or criminal charges that their children might incur.

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-08-15   16:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#4)

Guessing that one warning shot across the bow would have cleared that Stop and Steal muy pronto.

A broadside would have been more fun :)

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-15   17:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-08-15   18:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

NYC has a police force of app. 30,000 officers for seven million people. If store owners opened shop expecting to be protected by them, I'd have to seriously question their sanity.

PS: I was in Penn Station last Thursday. The police have been replaced w/our Blood Soaked military pigs; some little bitty colored gals all decked out in camo looking like swinery wannabe. Haven't they an innocent nation to sack somewhere?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-15   19:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

In ten years, given the current unfettered influx of human debris, it will be too late.

Ten years? Just give it one more "Juneteenth" if it looks like whitey might upend the Kenyan and expel him from his government paid housing.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-08-15   19:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-08-15   20:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Seems to me these things could be the first signs of outright protests and rioting in the USA, as is now in England. From here are these incidents expected to go away or just continue to expand to more cities? I can't see the former. Could this be the first signs of a full economic collapse?

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-08-15   21:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

What I was talking about though was at least pretending to try to ID some of them and make at least a few prosecutions. I mean if that's what we're in store for, and I agree with you that we are, then we're screwed, eh.

I think I have this right; the Supremes ruled it *isn't* the sole duty of local police departments to protect the public. IIRC, I read that at least 4 years ago, and once I did, I realized that reality has finally been etched in stone and only the most seriously ill among us should expect "help" from them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-15   21:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#11)

It's not exclusively about economics alot of is 'get back at whitey' now that they have Barry and the communist(Holder) in the justice dept. they can get away with it and that ladies and gents is the scary part..

Lady X  posted on  2011-08-15   21:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Could this be the first signs of a full economic collapse?

Yes, IMO.

It wasn't that long ago that we were the KooKs for suggesting martial law was being prepared for us via the use of various training exercises, etc. Well, who are the KooKs now? We have the military in NYC and curfews (no exceptions) in two major cities. Whoever isn't prepared out there in cyberspace best put a hop in their step.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-15   21:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, Prefrontal Vortex (#10)

Multiculturalism is FINALLY delivering what it promised. The vibrants are giving an in-your-face lesson in diversity to the civilized folks.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2011-08-15   22:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Haven't they an innocent nation to sack somewhere?

i love that! :D

From Don D's wall post concerning budget initiatives: "... and we must rebuild our infrastructure, especially the roads and bridges. The American people are gonna need a place to live under...and jump off of."

christine  posted on  2011-08-15   22:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

There was an unarmed militia called the Enfield Army in London the other day, watch them before JewTube pulls it:

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2011-08-15   22:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: X-15, Jethro Tull (#17)

There was an unarmed militia called the Enfield Army in London the other day

Cool vid

But if shit happens here, it'll be slightly different.

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-15   22:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: James Deffenbach (#9)

Just give it one more "Juneteenth" if it looks like whitey might upend the Kenyan and expel him from his government paid housing.

An election is probably too abstract to riot over.

Especially if he looks weak.

Now if he was SHOT...

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-08-15   23:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#19)

Now if he was SHOT...

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2011-08-15   23:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lady X (#13)

It's not exclusively about economics alot of is 'get back at whitey' now that they have Barry and the communist(Holder) in the justice dept. they can get away with it and that ladies and gents is the scary part..

I think any racial elements to it are just excuses but it isn't even all that important whether it's racially motivated or not. The bottom line is they looted the store, taking things without paying for them. That's an economic issue at it's core. It's a case of a *bunch* of people who think they are entitled to things without paying for them. If you get too many people thinking and acting that way, then what you get is a collapse of civil order, because it can spread. If you're in a crowd of 100 people that are all taking stuff for free, you'll be very tempted to do it too. Americans are pretty much conditioned to do what everyone else does. It's like a fire. Once it starts, it spreads unless it's contained and the police are not containing it. In fact they can't as it's beyond the scope of what they are supposed to be doing. Martial law is required to contain it.

This could be the start.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-08-16   3:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-08-16   6:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: X-15 (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-08-16   6:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton (#22)

Oh, no doubt, I'm no suggesting "protect the public," although what's with the "protect and serve" then?

Rather, what I'm talking about is prosecuting them.

And that in contrast to spending time tazering and beating grannies and other helpless or completely innocent people, eh.

The term "to protect and serve" is a relic from days gone by. It's a term from a different America, if you will. File that term under "Buy US war bonds."

As to prosecuting them, much like today's military, they're doing as told, complete with the blessings from their higher ups. From my experience, the DA and local police departments don't present cases to grand juries, they manufacture them and then pat each other on the back. For that cycle to break, honest people would have to flood into politics, and then be supported. I don't see that happening.

But I'm preaching to the choir, no :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-16   6:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15, Flint, JD, 4um (#17)

Great vid, X-Man. The resistance, naturally, has been suppressed, but I pray it grows. What we're witnessing, globally, is the end results of failed multiculturalism as outlined by Merkel, Sarkozy and Cameron.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-08-16   6:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ~ Ben Franklin

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-08-16   6:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: X-15 (#20)

On the other hand, if it's close and he wins, maybe they'll do a few "victory laps" at the mall.

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-08-16   8:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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