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Title: EXTRA*JURY WANTS TO SEE THE LAW*EXTRA
Source: Joe Banister
URL Source: http://freedomabovefortune.com
Published: Oct 21, 2005
Author: Joe Banister
Post Date: 2005-10-21 19:33:53 by Neil McIver
Keywords: EXTRA*JURY, LAW*EXTRA, WANTS
Views: 179
Comments: 12

FREEDOM ABOVE FORTUNE NEWS

Dear Friends:

I wanted to alert you to a significant event that has manifested itself in the Irwin Schiff/Cynthia Neun/Lawrence Cohen trial currently underway in Las Vegas. In a development reminiscent of my own trial, the jury has apparently asked to have Cindy Neun's IRS code book brought in to them so that they could examine it. The judge as apparently denied this request saying that providing it to the jury would be "problematic".

On the first day of the jury's deliberations in my trial, the prosecution's worst nightmare came true when the jury asked to see for themselves a year 2000 edition of the Title 26 of the Code of Federal Regulations (Title 26 of the Code of Federal Regulations is a compendium of rules created by the Secretary of the Treasury to clarify and implement the Internal Revenue Code). As one of the jurors explained to me after my trial, the jury wanted to compare the excerpts I had taken from the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) and presented to the Internal Revenue Service against what was actually written in the Code of Federal Regulations to see if I had been truthful. The judge in my trial, William B. Shubb, refused the jury's request to see the CFR for themselves just as Judge Dawson has apparently refused to let the Schiff jury see the Internal Revenue Code. Juror's suspicions about the prosecution's case are understandably heightened when they are forbidden from looking at the very book of laws that the defendant is accused of violating.

The latest news on the Schiff/Neun/Cohen trial is available at the following websites:

http://www.irwinschiff.blogspot.com/

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#1. To: Neil McIver (#0)

The judge in my trial, William B. Shubb, refused the jury's request to see the CFR for themselves just as Judge Dawson has apparently refused to let the Schiff jury see the Internal Revenue Code. Juror's suspicions about the prosecution's case are understandably heightened when they are forbidden from looking at the very book of laws that the defendant is accused of violating.

When do we get to hang these scoundrels? I'll volunteer to be the executioner. I'll even wish them each a fond farewell as I slip the noose around their necks. "Go straight to hell. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $300." ROTFLOL!

"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-10-21   19:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Neil McIver (#0)

The right thing to do would be to acquit, whenever a judge refuses such a request.

Will the jury do the right thing?


There comes a time, thief, when the jewels cease to sparkle, when the gold loses its luster, when the throneroom becomes a prison, and all that is left is a father's love for his child.
-- King Osric

Tauzero  posted on  2005-10-22   15:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

At least it´s nice to see juries asking for the law.

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-10-24   16:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tauzero (#2)

I agree with you Tauzero, if the judge jerks the jury around like that, then the jury should acquit.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-10-24   16:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Neil McIver (#3)

At least it´s nice to see juries asking for the law.

You bet it is. I doubt that I would ever be called for jury duty in the county I live in considering the reputation I've built up in the last year or two. They just know I would be a thorn in their sides. ;^)

"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-10-24   16:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Neil McIver (#0)

To allow the jury to see the law they are attempting to decide has been broken is "problematic"? Why bother with the jury trial anyway and just resort to Star Chamber proceedings?

mehitable  posted on  2005-10-24   16:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tauzero (#2)

Well I sure as hell would acquit if I'm not allowed to look at evidence as basic as the wording of the law the defendant supposedly violated.

mehitable  posted on  2005-10-24   16:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mehitable (#6)

That's about where we're headed with all the secret laws now on (off?) the books.

"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-24   16:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Neil McIver (#0)

The judge as apparently denied this request saying that providing it to the jury would be "problematic".

Jury Foreman: "Thank you, Your Honor, and we can stop at this time, the Defendant is not guilty."

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wbales  posted on  2005-10-24   16:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: wbales (#9)

Wouldn't that be nice? In rerality the only effect that would have would be the juror being replaced by someone less intelligent. If you ever find yourself in such a situation, it would be much better to just find them not guilty at the appropriate time.

"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-24   16:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: wbales (#9)

This blows my mind. How on earth can someone be tried on some law that the judge won't even let the jury read? What the hell can of kangaroo court is that?

mehitable  posted on  2005-10-24   16:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Treasury "code" is NOT LAW.

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Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-10-24   16:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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