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Title: Penn and Teller - The bible is bullshit
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7ScuVhDvs&feature=player_embedded
Published: Nov 05, 2007
Author: Penn and Teller
Post Date: 2011-08-28 22:14:51 by Flintlock
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Views: 1456
Comments: 79


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#1. To: Flintlock (#0)

Penn and Teller are Bullshit.

They supported the War Criminal Bush's rape of Afghanistan and the mass murder operation in Iraq.

They also support and propound the official lies on 911.

Penn and Teller are NeoTrotskyCons.

They have no more credibility than David Whorowitless.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-08-28   22:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)

They supported the War Criminal Bush's rape of Afghanistan and the mass murder operation in Iraq.

I'll take your word for it, I'm no expert on the politics of P&T

While they're wrong politically, they're right about the bible.

An PLEASE why do you keep blaming BOOSH? He hasn't been president for years. It's OBOMA who keeps us in the ME.

Praise Heysus!

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-28   22:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Flintlock (#2) (Edited)

An PLEASE why do you keep blaming BOOSH? He hasn't been president for years. It's OBOMA who keeps us in the ME.

There is no Statute of Limitations on War Crimes and Mass Murder. Bush, as Klinton, as Bush I, as Reagan, as Nixon, as LBJ, are all WAR CRIMINALS who have used the U.S. Military as a private army to enforce the edicts of the Bilderberg cabal and specifically the House of Rotchild.

I think, if anything, the current little suppurating pustule in the Whore House is no different that his predecessor - he is in fact worse, but that does excuse the action of the Killer Chimperor.

As for the Bible I do not degrade, disparage, or attack other religions. I will entertain factual criticisms e.g., the multiple times the text of the Bible has been edited and rearranged to support political agendas - such as the Scofield Bowlderization, the monkeyshines with the King James translation, the council of Nicea etc., .... However, that is an academic dispute and should not be confused with gratuitous and mean spirited attacks on others' beliefs.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-08-28   23:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

There is no Statute of Limitations on War Crimes and Mass Murder. Bush, as Klinton, as Bush I, as Reagan, as Nixon, as LBJ, are all WAR CRIMINALS who have used the U.S. Military as a private army to enforce the edicts of the Bilderberg cabal and specifically the House of Rotchild.

It looks like you forgot one...........

Unless?

Reagan

His crimes?

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-28   23:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Flintlock (#4)

The attack on that dinky little island country, as well as his adventurism in Beirut. His were likely the least egregious of the bunch but were nevertheless there and aided in setting the precedent for justifying, in the public "mind", the horrors that have followed.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-08-28   23:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)

The attack on that dinky little island country

Grenada?

That harmless socialist country just off the coast of South America that was bringing in Cuban military and expanding it's runways to accommodate Soviet bombers....that dinky island country?

as well as his adventurism in Beirut.

Beirut was poppy bush's idea and mandate.

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-29   0:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#3)

However, that is an academic dispute should not be confused with gratuitous and mean spirited attacks on others' beliefs.

point well taken, however, i would like to see a disputation of what P&T presented in this video. are the stories in the OT of Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, and Moses parting the Red Sea factual (or possible?) or are they allegories?

christine  posted on  2011-08-29   0:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, Original_Intent (#7)

point well taken, however, i would like to see a disputation of what P&T presented in this video. are the stories in the OT of Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, and Moses parting the Red Sea factual (or possible?) or are they allegories?

I believe it is postulated by academia that the creation story was based on the earlier epic of Gilgamesh. They do parallel one another. While I believe much of the Bible is based on actual historical events, I think the archeological evidence is sparse though some does exist. O_I is better at that end of things than I am.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-08-29   1:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine, Flintlock, Original_Intent (#7)

are the stories .... factual (or possible?) or are they allegories?

Excellent and difficult question.


No Planes. Think about it. ... Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)... "To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle." ~ George Orwell... Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-08-29   1:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent, Flintlock (#1)

Penn and Teller are Bullshit.

Like what I was thinking too.


No Planes. Think about it. ... Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)... "To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle." ~ George Orwell... Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-08-29   1:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#8)

Us West Coasters up contemplating the Universe, metaphysics, philosiphication n stuff ; )


No Planes. Think about it. ... Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)... "To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle." ~ George Orwell... Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-08-29   1:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#7)

However, that is an academic dispute should not be confused with gratuitous and mean spirited attacks on others' beliefs.

point well taken, however, i would like to see a disputation of what P&T presented in this video. are the stories in the OT of Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, and Moses parting the Red Sea factual (or possible?) or are they allegories?

My personal opinion is that legends and myths (including some religious works) have generally had, at some point, a basis in fact i.e., they are representations of actual events. What makes it tricky is that we have no other good contemporaneous works to truly support or refute those events. The other problem of course is that they occurred so long ago that it is possible (I think likely) that they have become distorted and garbled being passed down through time.

As for the specific events mentioned I think it could be a mixture of allegory and and factual and that the two have become conflated through time.

It is interesting, and seldom commented on, that other people are mentioned in the tale of Adam and Eve.

Noah's Ark - I suspect some factual basis. There are flood legends on both sides of the Atlantic. I suspect that there may have been a boat, or boats, that were prepared to weather the storm. Beyond that, on a factual not theological basis, there is not really enough to say more. Charles Berlitz, the heir to the Berlitz language school fortune, was able in his linguistic research find the syllabic group "atl" in words meaning water in 20 languages on both sides of the Atlantic.

The parting of the Red Sea is an interesting one. I have not read a lot on it but did skim a recent article that put forth the idea that there was a scientific basis upon which to explain it. Personally I leave it in the "I don't know" box.

The problem with such as Penn and Teller, and their fellow "skeptics", is that they are just as dogmatic in their rejection as the supporters are in their affirmation.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-08-29   1:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#12)

and their fellow "skeptics",

You hurt me man, you hurt me.

Praise Heysus!! & ODIN!!!

goodnight

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-29   1:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent, christine (#12)

the tale of Adam and Eve

Maybe ancient astronauts or interdimensional aliens bred with monkeys by dna (the rib) and that's how we got here.


No Planes. Think about it. ... Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)... "To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle." ~ George Orwell... Israelis For 9/11 Truth

wudidiz  posted on  2011-08-29   1:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: wudidiz (#14)

Maybe ancient astronauts or interdimensional aliens bred with monkeys by dna (the rib) and that's how we got here.

Data insufficient. Mankind's history on this planet is much more ancient, and there is a body of physical evidence to support that assertion, than we are currently allowed to believe.

Why the elites insist upon suppressing that view, and the evidence, is an open question, but I think it ties into social control and/or psychosis.

And as I commented to Erich Von Daniken once I don't think that human history can be explained solely through alien intervention, although I do think it has occurred. I think that there has been at least one, if not more, ancient cultures that were at least as technically advanced as we are today but that for whatever reason, war or catastrophe, that it collapsed back to down to pre- literate and semiliterate states.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-08-29   2:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Flintlock (#0)

Aren't these a couple of Jews?

How far would an act entitled "The Talmud is BS" go?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-08-29   3:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Flintlock (#0)

Hey, your hero Penn Jillette is a major advocate of the U.S. government's 911 steel melting conspiracy theory.

He is definitely a good Jewish boy.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-08-29   4:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: RickyJ (#16)

How far would an act entitled "The Talmud is BS" go?

Beat me to it.

The answer is: exactly nowhere.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.
______________________________________________________
"It's a absurd insinuation."

randge  posted on  2011-08-29   6:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Flintlock, Original_Intent (#4)

There is no Statute of Limitations on War Crimes and Mass Murder. Bush, as Klinton, as Bush I, as Reagan, as Nixon, as LBJ, are all WAR CRIMINALS who have used the U.S. Military as a private army to enforce the edicts of the Bilderberg cabal and specifically the House of Rotchild.

It looks like you forgot one...........

Unless?

Reagan

His crimes?

The Rebbe and President Ronald Reagan

The Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, of righteous memory and President Ronald Reagan enjoyed a deep relationship for many years.

Mr. Reagan displayed a profound respect toward the Rebbe and his teachings. The President was an early and enthusiastic adherent of the Rebbe's call to make all people aware of the Seven Universal Laws, based on the belief in a Supreme Being. The Rebbe's call for a moment of silence in the public schools, and his persistent belief that America must export to the world faith-based moral values, were among the themes that found a welcoming ear in President Reagan.

Below we bring you little windows into the relationship.......


President Ronald Reagan signs the proclamation for "Education Day U.S.A." honoring the Rebbe's birthday

more.... http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/a...-and-President-Reagan.htm

The Jews have proclaimed the Reeb as their messiah.

The "Seven Universal Laws" are also known as The Noahide Law.

[see also Merry Christmas and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD! http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html

and Now the Government Can Legally Kill Americans

by Dr. Lorraine Day: www.takebackourrights.org/docs/noahidelaw.html

and Congressman Dannemeyer: www.takebackourrights.org...ristians-full%20page.html for further understanding.]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   8:37:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: RickyJ (#16)

Aren't these a couple of Jews?

How far would an act entitled "The Talmud is BS" go?

bump to my above post.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   8:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#19) (Edited)

There is no Statute of Limitations on War Crimes and Mass Murder. Bush, as Klinton, as Bush I, as Reagan, as Nixon, as LBJ, are all WAR CRIMINALS who have used the U.S. Military as a private army to enforce the edicts of the Bilderberg cabal and specifically the House of Rotchild.

All the Presidents are related to the British monarchy and they are in collusion with The Crown [ http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/u...mpany-owned-by-the-crown/ / Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16,17...28,29] in bringing us the NWO religion called [Judeo] British Israel [ bible.cc/matthew/13-33.htm / bible.cc/matthew/16-6.htm ] as seen here: http://www.asis.com/users/stag/uspres.html

See also:

Girl discovers royal blood runs deep with U.S. presidents, page 1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread599961/pg1

and

A Little “Identity” Crisis ~ British Israelism
www.seekgod.ca/identity.htm

Psalm 2

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth [ http://asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html ] set themselves, and the rulers [ http://www.asis.com/users/stag/uspres.html ] take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.........

----

US Constitution

"...the structure of the document was the manner in which the new nation would now define its relationship to Jesus Christ – the King of kings.

The records clearly demonstrate that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were completely remiss in their obligation to Christ. Other than Franklin's request for daily prayer -- which was ignored by the Convention -- neither Christ nor the Bible are ever mentioned.

Neither had any bearing whatsoever on their deliberations nor on the product that they produced. Neither is mentioned in the Constitution, the 4-volume set of notes from the Constitutional Convention, nor in the Federalist Papers....."

www.america-betrayed-1787...itutional-convention.html

Understanding the U.S. Constitution - The Preamble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs92KlRJJXY

America Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, or Land of the Fee and Home of the Slave - The legacy of the deal between George Washington [so-called "Father of our country" and also "Father of the modern British Empire (search)] and Rothschild agent Haym Salomon http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution18.htm

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. [See The Enduring Legacy of the First Landing http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 / bible.cc/matthew/13-31.htm ].........

http://kingjbible.com/psalms/2.htm / http://kingjbible.com/micah/4.htm

IMHO, God's truth according to the Bible keeps marching along just fine.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   9:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, RickyJ (#20)

Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish. -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, all too Human, page 119,

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-29   10:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#21)

All the Presidents are related to the British monarchy and they are in collusion with The Crown [ conspiracyrealitytv.com/u...mpany-owned-by-the-crown/ / Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16,17...28,29] in bringing us the NWO religion called [Judeo] British Israel [ bible.cc/matthew/13-33.htm / bible.cc/matthew/16-6.htm ] as seen here: www.asis.com/users/stag/uspres.html

"Good info, but with some major errors:

The 'Crown' that owns Virginia (USA) is the administrative corporation of the City of London, an State independent of Great Britain and wholly owned by the Pontiff of Rome. Since 1213, the Monarchs of England have been puppet Monarchs under the Pontifex Maximus of the Holy Roman Empire, a corporate body over which the pontiff of Rome is CEO. Since 1300, when the Crown of Great Britain (England) was made a sub-corporation of the Crown of the City of London, the Monarchs of England, as CEO of the Crown of Great Britain have been agents for the Crown of the City. Thus, the real Crown was obfuscated from the eyes of the 'colonials'. But, anyone who cared to look and reason could have seen this scheme even in the late AD 1700s.

The 'common law' of England, since the incorporation of the British Crown around AD 1300, has been Roman Municipal Law, a type of Roman civil law designed to rule over debtor States. The Anglo-Saxon common law, which used only 'God's Law', ceased to exist with the implementation of the feudal system where all people were subjects of the corporate Crown, and after the Pope's Papal Bull, Unam Sanctam 1302 where he declared: "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." Subject means slave, as does 'citizen' and 'freeman'.

Roman Law uses the law of the sea because all human institutions in the Roman system are make-believe ships at sea (incorporated bodies).

The 'all caps' spelling does not make the 'legal identity name" (strawman). It is where the family name has been converted into a 'surname - primary name'. The all caps only signifies that the name carries with its use the status of slave pledged as chattel in bankruptcy of the State. "

-----------------

".... "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,

"A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

"Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction

"Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion [leaven of the Pharisees] and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." .....

www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution19.htm

Genesis 15:13And he [God] said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Galatians 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. ......

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

kingjbible.com/galatians/3.htm / bible.cc/galatians/3-29.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   10:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Flintlock (#22) (Edited)

Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish. -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, all too Human, page 119,

well, here's the good news for Christians

America is the Promised Land [Ezekiel 34/John 10/ edit bible.cc/2_samuel/7-10.htm ] for Christians....and here is what the Bible says about Christianity perishing.

The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm / The Church Is Israel Now bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm / edit bible.cc/2_samuel/7-10.htm

Isaiah 60:12For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. bible.cc/isaiah/60-12.htm / http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/60.htm

See Genesis 3:15.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   10:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: wudidiz (#9)

are the stories .... factual (or possible?) or are they allegories?

Excellent and difficult question.

I've thought about this very subject for some time.

I am quite uncomfortable with atheism, as well as biblical fundamentalists, they both to me seem so sure of themselves, and that is what pulls at my curiosity.

I have come to the tentative conclusion, subject to re-interpretation, that there is truth in the bible, some of the stories are possible, most are allegorical. It is up to us to use our minds, to apply the truths to our most interesting times.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2011-08-29   10:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

here's the good news for Christians

You sound like the people who occasionally knocked on my door or pestered me in mall parking lots trying to give me a pamphlet.

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-29   10:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Flintlock (#26)

You mean Mormons?

Not I.

watch.pair.com/dan.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   10:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)

Would you consider yourself Christian Identity?

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-08-29   11:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lysander_Spooner (#25)

I have come to the tentative conclusion, subject to re-interpretation, that there is truth in the bible, some of the stories are possible, most are allegorical.

that's my conclusion as well...

christine  posted on  2011-08-29   11:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)

You mean Mormons?

Them too

No, I'm talking about people who say something like , "I have good news", then try to hit me with the heysus sales pitch.

I run them off by pointing my finger and (in my best Berserker voice) proclaim, "Fool!, ODIN!!! will crush you!... or something like that. It never fails, and I really enjoy watching'em freak out then scurry away in search of their next victim.

How can you expect anyone to take christyinsanity seriously when you have literally thousand of different sects, using dozens of different translations of your bible, all having different visions of "god's" will and ALL claiming to be the one true path to "salvation"?

You do know you all can't be right don't you?

Your doctrine is hopelessly flawed, overly complex and subject to interpretation for it's adherents and certainly not the product of omnipotent, divine intelligence.

In short, it can't be right, and your god can't be God.

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-29   11:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#12)

What makes it tricky is that we have no other good contemporaneous works to truly support or refute those events.

that's the main point made in this presentation. i don't care for this presentation. it makes me cringe. otoh, it raises questions that i have always had.

christine  posted on  2011-08-29   11:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#12) (Edited)

what about Jonah and the whale?

christine  posted on  2011-08-29   11:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Penn and Teller are Bullshit.

Just what the world needs, a couple more moronic heathens.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-08-29   11:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: christine (#32)

what about Jonah and the whale?

The Bible said that God "prepared" the creature, so in doing so I'm sure he protected Jonah.

"Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights"

This is a literal account of a man. It foreshadows the true account of Christ's 3 days and 3 nights in "the belly of the earth".

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40 (NIV)

Here is the same verse again in the King James version

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40 (KJV)

The historical accuracy of Jonah is important for it foreshadows Christ’s own death and resurrection. Christ would not associate the most important event in history (his being raised from the dead) with a mere fairy tale.

The whale is not the hero of the story, nor is the cross victorious over the power of Christ. Our attention should be drawn to what happened next, the bodily resurrection from death to life. The book of Jonah is about God and Jonah, not the whale (or fish) and Jonah.

Those who scoff at, doubt or otherwise ridicule the book of Jonah are in actuality doubting Christ's own integrity. Jesus believed and taught that Jonah was a real person, and that the events described in the Bible really did happen to him.

I believe the account of Jonah as literal history, but more importantly Christ believed it.

The story is not a parable or a dream but rather an accurate depiction of a real encounter. If you doubt the book of Jonah, or any of the Bible you will not be able to defend your faith with authority.

Christ read with authority not as the scribes.

In the Book of Jonah, God shows his mercy and also his authority as Creator over all living creatures. The Bible tells us that "God prepared the fish" and "the Lord spoke unto the fish..." and the animal obeyed God. In the end, even though Jonah disobeyed his commands, God spared Jonah's life. And in the beautiful language of the "King James Bible" the whale "vomited out Jonah upon the dry land"

For those seeking extra-biblical evidence, there are many well documented accounts of men and animals being swallowed alive by whales. Though these accounts do give the story of Jonah more credibility we must remember to trust the Bible first and foremost.

It does not matter if other recorded accounts exist or not. They are irrelevant as the Bible says it happened and Jesus has shown us that we can trust God's word.

Jonah is also mentioned in Luke 11:30.

"As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. (30)For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation. (31)The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one [9] greater than Solomon is here. (32)The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here." Luke 11:30-32

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-08-29   12:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Freedomsnotfree (#28) (Edited)

Would you consider yourself Christian Identity?

NO!!!!

See Galatians 3:28, 29, above.

and

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

bible.cc/romans/9-6.htm

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

bible.cc/romans/9-7.htm

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Matthew 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Romans 4:13 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

bible.cc/romans/9-8.htm

http://kingjbible.com/romans/9.htm

Now we [note. Christians, by faith in Jesus Christ], brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. bible.cc/galatians/4-28.htm

Galatians 4:21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

http://kingjbible.com/galatians/4.htm

An example of the TRUE ISRAEL people:

Jeremaiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. bible.cc/jeremiah/13-23.htm

Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. bible.cc/isaiah/56-3.htm

4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

6Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my {NEW!!!} covenant;

7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

8The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. .... bible.cc/isaiah/56-7.htm [for this verse see also Isaiah 49:6 bible.cc/isaiah/49-6.htm ]

Now see the New Testament

Galatians 3 says if you have put on Christ, you are His seed and heirs to the promise.

In Acts 8 the "ANGEL OF THE LORD" [often in the Bible this is Christ, Himself] told Philip to go speak to the eunuch from Ethiopia [IOW he was BLACK], and the Eunuch confessed faith in Christ, was baptized, and he, the black man, became THE SEED OF CHRIST, born into the House of Israel by adoption through his faith.

[Galatians 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.]

Acts 8:26And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. 27And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 29Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [See Isaiah 53:10! Isaiah 53 is the book the eunuch was referring to. Isaiah 53 is one of many prophecies about Christ. bible.cc/isaiah/53-10.htm / http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/53.htm ] 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. http://kingjbible.com/acts/8.htm

Note this was sealed with a miracle....thus was God's promise fulfilled to not only the eunuch that caught hold of His covenant, but a BLACK eunuch at that.

See Revelation 5:9-10

I'm sure this will disappoint some people here, but that's their problem, not God's.

God/Jesus spoke in parables so that His adversaries would be blinded. The Bible is like a puzzle and you have to connect the dots.

The promise is by FAITH, NOT RACE.

Christian Identity is an offshoot of Judeo British Israelism....it's a trap.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   12:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Flintlock (#22)

Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish. -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, all too Human, page 119

Nietszsche mistook Germanized Christianity for Christianity per se. Christianity was majority-white when he wrote.

Christianity may have come into the world to lighten the heart, but Paul popularized it as a weapon against Rome.

That more or less worked, but took another turn as Christianity became Germanized -- Christians started bathing again and continued living -- compromising with the world in order to prosper.

Everything whites like about Christianity came from whites.

But Christianity will soon be majority non-white, which will force the issue, heightening the cognitive dissonance of white "Christians".

That means Christianity will become unimportant. But it will survive.

It will survive in Asia and Africa.

Asia has a conscience that can be burdened, but places less emphasis on conscience.

Africa has no conscience.

Either anti-racist/anti-white "Christianity" perishes among whites, or the white man perishes.

Anti-racist Libertarians are just Marxists who don't want to wait for the state to wither away.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2011-08-29   12:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Flintlock (#30) (Edited)

your Odin, as i told you once before, is probably derived from the tribe of Dan and his days are numbered.

Amos 8:11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

13In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

14They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, [ODIN??? Hebrew had no vowels, so when you see dan, den, din, don, dun, dyn in a word, you might be looking at something connected to that apostate tribe, one of whom blasphemed the name of the Lord] liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

How can you expect anyone to take christyinsanity seriously when you have literally thousand of different sects, using dozens of different translations of your bible, all having different visions of "god's" will and ALL claiming to be the one true path to "salvation"?

Didn't Jesus say the church in His kingdom [mustard seed] would be filled with the leaven of the Pharisees. Didn't Cornwallis say the same thing to George Washington?

See the B'nai B'rith speech at my tagline...the Jews ADMIT infiltrating our church....and once again:

"... "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army.

"Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America With their veiled Phallic religion.

"Darby and the Plymouth Brethren brought a Jewish Christianity to America. Masons Rutherford and Russell started Jehovah Witnesses' Judaism which is now worldwide with their message of the divine kingdom. Mason Joseph Smith started Mormon Judaism with its Jewish teaching of millennialism.

"At the turn of the twentieth century there appeared the Scofield Bible with a Jewish interpretation of the prophecies. With wide use of this "helpful" aid all the American churches have silently become synagogues. We now have Baptist Jews, Methodist Jews, Church of God Jews, apostate Catholic Jews, and many Protestant Jews throughout America. We are aliens in our own country because of false religion. All are praying for divine deliverance into that "Divine Government" which Cornwallis knew to be the British Empire.

"A false religion has been used to deceive us into allegiance to our enemies of Yorktown and Bunker Hill. No! Not a gun has been fired but the invisible and malignant process of conquering America with the Jew's religion has gone on unabated. The Union Jack has been planted in our hearts with religious deception. All has happened "legally," "constitutionally," "freely" and completely within our most sacred trust -- our churches. Religious deception is painless innoculation against truth. It cannot be removed from the conscience with surgery, yet it is the motivator of our actions and directly controls our lives. Once man gives over to false religion, he is no longer rational because he originates no thought. His life is controlled by whomever controls his religion.

"The veil of false religion is the sword of Damocles and its power to control humanity defies even the imagination of tyrants who use it." .... www.sweetliberty.org/issu...ax/unionjack_epilogue.htm

That was not GOD's plan:

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. kingjbible.com/john/17.htm

...all part of the New Covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD [ see bible.cc/2_kings/17-28.htm most likely one of the calf-worshipping priests]: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

kingjbible.com/jeremiah/31.htm

All the different doctrines was the adversaries' plan...divide and conquer....all part of the battle that began in Genesis 3:15.

your god can't be God.

I'd say the probabilities are astronomical that the prophecies made thousands of years ago would not come to pass, unless of course He IS God....and it should be clear to anyone that has eyes to see and ears to hear that the prophecies ARE coming to pass.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   13:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#19)

and Now the Government Can Legally Kill Americans

by Dr. Lorraine Day: www.takebackourrights.org/docs/noahidelaw.html

and Congressman Dannemeyer: www.takebackourrights.org...ristians-full%20page.html for further understanding.]

should read " Now the Government Can Legally Kill CHRISTIANS" although it can be applied to anyone who doesn't want to go along with the program.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-08-29   13:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: James Deffenbach (#34)

Those who scoff at, doubt or otherwise ridicule the book of Jonah are in actuality doubting Christ's own integrity.

scoff at or ridicule, i get. what i don't get is why it's wrong to doubt or question when it is sage and prudent to do this with all other search for information in life. why is belief in the bible the one exception? how does one come to truth and conviction without first doing his/her own search and interrogatory?

christine  posted on  2011-08-29   14:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#37)

First, I'll repeat for the Nth time, I don't actually believe ODIN!!! is God, but I sure don't believe in heysus either.

You say ODIN!!! = "Danny", tribe of dan, or something from any Abrahamic religion. There are many different spellings of ODIN!!!. Other spellings include: Woden, Wodanaz,Wotan and probably more. ODIN!!! is related to the Roman God Mercury and has nothing to do with anything Abrahamic.

BTW Is it possible for you to try to make a point without posting a cyber-pamphlet?

"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman

Flintlock  posted on  2011-08-29   14:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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