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Title: Penn and Teller - The bible is bullshit
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Published: Nov 05, 2007
Author: Penn and Teller
Post Date: 2011-08-28 22:14:51 by Flintlock
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#40. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#37)
First, I'll repeat for the Nth time, I don't actually believe ODIN!!! is God, but I sure don't believe in heysus either. You say ODIN!!! = "Danny", tribe of dan, or something from any Abrahamic religion. There are many different spellings of ODIN!!!. Other spellings include: Woden, Wodanaz,Wotan and probably more. ODIN!!! is related to the Roman God Mercury and has nothing to do with anything Abrahamic. BTW Is it possible for you to try to make a point without posting a cyber-pamphlet?
"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman
You'll never make it as a Nun. Have you ever considered being a mead server in Valhalla? The tips are great and you meet interesting people.
"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman
I think all people have doubts. Even one of the Lord's disciples (Thomas) had doubts.* I think that belief in the Bible is based on faith. I had an old man ask me once long ago if I believed that the Bible was true, that it was all true. And I told him that I did--I also was quick to say that I didn't understand all of it but I believed it. I explained that we needed something to base our lives on, something we could believe in. And if I just accepted some things in it while doubting things that maybe I wish weren't there I might just as well throw it all off over the bank. John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. For those with faith, no explanation is necessary. For those without, no explanation is possible. –Thomas Aquinas Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without reservations. --Elton Trueblood Faith is different from proof; the latter is human, the former is a Gift from God. --Blaise Pascal God isn't looking for people of great faith, but for individuals ready to follow Him --Hudson Taylor We often think of great faith as something that happens spontaneously so that we can be used for a miracle or healing. However, the greatest faith of all, and the most effective, is to live day by day trusting Him. It is trusting Him so much that we look at every problem as an opportunity to see His work in our life. --Rick Joyner I believe though I do not comprehend, and I hold by faith what I cannot grasp with the mind. --Saint Bernard
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
I've seen that many times, where a person uses a quote from the bible to prove that the bible is 100% true. I'd wager that most of the New Testament was written by Roman authors, and is NOT the words of the original disciples. In fact, it's pretty well understood that the very book you quote from, "John", was NOT written by the DISCIPLE John, but by someone who later used that name as a pen name, years AFTER the death of the disciple John if such a person even really existed. The Old Testament is simply a collection of tales spun by "scribes" upon the orders of Hebrew kings, except for perhaps parts of Genesis which are based upon earlier legends from earlier civilizations. Beyond that, it's obvious (to me at least) that there ARE higher orders of intelligence within our universe and that which exists outside it. No human here on earth knows what exists beyond science, other than what can be found spiritually. Spirituality isn't realized by memorizing a book of words written by men, it's something that can only be found via a honest and true search for God. That's just my humble opinion at least.
Which, of course, you are entitled to. I don't happen to share it, at least not most of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
That's just my humble opinion at least. Well said and worth repeating. Most of the "faithful" have never truly examined their beliefs and only believe because it was drilled into their heads since childhood.
"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman
scoff at or ridicule, i get. what i don't get is why it's wrong to doubt or question when it is sage and prudent to do this with all other search for information in life. why is belief in the bible the one exception? how does one come to truth and conviction without first doing his/her own search and interrogatory? That was a debate I had with my friend the late Reverend Bob Cryder (how I miss his wisdom - even though we did not always agree). What we did agree upon was that the stories and laws handed down in the Bible were meant to be understood not robotically mouthed. If one acts and believes devoid of the reason we were given then we are not living up to the standards expected. All of the primary laws of the Bible can be justified and understood purely by reason and without having to resort to arbitrary dictat - "thou shalt believe now shut thine pie hole." Examples might be: "thou shalt not commit murder," "thou shalt not commit adultery." In the first example we are obviously cutting the common bond and infringing upon the rights of another, and in the second we are sundering trust (among other things). As for the stories in the Bible it is hard to say on a lot, and here I am a bit of a heretic - if not in spirit then intellectually, in that, particularly the "Old Testament" appears to have been derived from even older works that were kept in the libraries of Egypt. The actual age of the "Old Testament" is very uncertain, and neither is it certain that it has been transmitted accurately through the ages. So, I am careful in my pronouncements both from not wishing to offend others, and simply because we do not know. There is perhaps the greatest mystery of the Bible - Where did it come from, and when?
You forgot to ad: "and fork over the cash."
"You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day. It's great to be an American" - Sail Away by Randy Newman
thank you. certainly some thought provoking quotes there. though, at this point in time, i am unable to have faith without reservations especially since i know that the bible was written, ordered by, decreed, edited(?), and translated by some very unscrupulous men. but, i do try to keep an open mind and an open heart.
i can relate to that.
Thank you. And I appreciate your getting out the word, and message, of our savior. It's NOT a religion...it's a relationship and only those in the relationship can understand this.
that's my conclusion as well... You mean to tell me all this time, you have known my answer?! Do you have any idea how many meaningless arguments I've had with myself?! Arghhhhh ;) We are not alone :)
The Romans may have been of the Tribe of Dan..... follow the eagle.... Eagles And Bees? Dan and "...The Eagle Identity It is also worth noting that the ensign of Israel's enemies always seems to be that of an eagle: Herod, the Romans, the Germans, the Czars, et al. (It is interesting that even Sparta and Troy may have links with the Tribe of Dan!12) [see http://hope-of-israel.org.nz/i000035a.htm ] It disturbs some to note that the symbol of the United States is also, of course, the eagle. The apparent Masonic symbolism on the Great Seal of the United States also disturbs many (look at your dollar bill and consult these images: 1,2,3,4): The 32 feathers of the right wing are said to represent the 32 degrees of the Freemasonry. The 33 feathers on the left wing include the honorary 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite. The nine tail feathers are said to highlight the Council of Nine when the Illuminati merged with the Freemasons on May 1, 1776. The ostensible occultic significance seems even more pronounced on the reverse side: the All Seeing Eye (the "Open Eye" of Egypt and the "Mind's Eye" of the Gnostics) and the Latin phrases "Annuit Coeptis" (announcing the birth of) "Novus Ordo Seclorum" (New World Order). The occult agenda behind world politics should surprise no serious student of Daniel Chapter 10. Satan seems to love symbols. More Surprises Coming? Did you know that there appears to be a 151 ft. statue of Mary Magdalene, dressed in a Roman toga, holding the "Holy Grail" as a torch, in one of the most prominent international harbors today? Designed by Auguste Bartholdi, it was privately funded by the French Freemasons and presently adorns New York Harbor. ...." http://www.everlastinglifeministries.com/davinci/davinci4.asp ======= 1. Take note of these ensigns, as they will play a significant part in the coming desolation of the Temple. Matthew 24:28 - 'For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.' http://www.preteristarchive.com/..._V,_Chapter_II,_Section_1 Look familiar? You see it in the 501c churches every day: apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm see the eagle at Ezekiel 17:7-10 and on the US Great Seal http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm Ezekiel 17:1-6/John 15:1-2/Matthew 15:13
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
you're welcome and thank YOU!
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You forgot to ad: "and fork over the cash." Priestly operations have always been big on cash. Some ask honestly and for the right reasons, and some do not. Churches, and other religious institutions need operating money just as any other organization does. Some, Monasteries come to mind, support themselves e.g., "The Christian Brothers", and the Trappist Monks who produce the legendary Chimay Ale. Other Monasteries produce cheeses and other such necessary treats. Quite often they are the best of their kind. People are turned away though through the greed and hypocrisy of some supposed "men of God". However, to generalize and condemn ALL for the actions of SOME is both unjust and a logical fallacy. The reality is that SOME men of God are in fact Men of God. Some aren't e.g., Haggee, Grabham, Jim 'n Tammy, etc., ...
The first five books of the O.T. IS THE TALMUD, which was the oral law of the Jews. There was many a slip between tongue and lip I suspect, as oral law passed into the first five written books of the O.T.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
No it isn't. The first five books of the Old Testament is the Torah. The Talmud is written record of the traditions of men (Rabbis) that does not in any way come from God. It would be helpful if you knew what you were commenting about before making a comment.
God is always good!
but, i do try to keep an open mind and an open heart. Oh, you're welcome. There are people you could talk to who know far more than I do and could explain things much better than I can. The following paragraphs are excerpts from: Steps to Christ (chapter 11) WHAT TO DO WITH DOUBT To acknowledge that we cannot fully comprehend the great truths of the Bible is only to admit that the finite mind is inadequate to grasp the infinite; that man, with his limited, human knowledge, cannot understand the purposes of Omniscience. Because they cannot fathom all its mysteries, the skeptic and the infidel reject God's word; and not all who profess to believe the Bible are free from danger on this point. The apostle says, "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."* It is right to study closely the teachings of the Bible, and to search into "the deep things of God,"* so far as they are revealed in Scripture. While "the secret things belong unto the Lord our God," "those things which are revealed belong unto us."* But it is Satan's work to pervert the investigative powers of the mind. A certain pride is mingled with the consideration of Bible truth, so that men feel impatient and defeated if they cannot explain every portion of Scripture to their satisfaction. It is too humiliating to them to acknowledge that they do not understand the inspired words. They are unwilling to wait patiently until God shall see fit to reveal the truth to them. They feel that their unaided human wisdom is sufficient to enable them to comprehend the Scripture, and failing to do this, they virtually deny its authority. It is true that many theories and doctrines popularly supposed to be derived from the Bible have no foundation in its teaching, and indeed are contrary to the whole tenor of inspiration. These things have been a cause of doubt and perplexity to many minds. They are not, however, chargeable to God's word, but to man's perversion of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
No it isn't. The first five books of the Old Testament is the Torah. The Talmud is written record of the traditions of men (Rabbis) that does not in any way come from God. It would be helpful if you knew what you were commenting about before making a comment. R is correct here. The Talmud means "commentaries", and there are two main versions. Is is a body of Jewish law, codified about 750 ad, and is considered by Orthodox followers are being superior to the Torah, and is, I believe, considered to be scripture, and when scripture is mentioned in the bible, I believe the Talmud is included in the definition of the word. R I would like your thoughts on this, is this your understanding? Or have you even thought about it. Seperately, what do you think of the evidence linking the Vedic Brahama God, with his consort Sarah, to be the same as Abraham and his wife Sarah?? That the Jewish religion has its roots in the ancient vedic religion. There are a LOT of commonalities in the OT and some of the vedic scriptures, which were written long before the OT was penned.
Forgive me or praise me for confusing the two. I am not a Jew. It appears from the above that the Torah is the oral tradition and the Talmud is the written compilation of the oral law, which became the first five books of the O.T. The fact that The Talmud is written record of the traditions of men (Rabbis) that does not in any way come from God, is the very point that I was making in my comment. I knew exactly what I was commenting about and you have only clarified the point that the O.T. is the written record of the oral laws of the Jews, and does not in any way come from God. If you don't like the message, don't insult the messenger.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
Can the created comprehend their Creator? No.
Good points all. When it comes to refuting the Bible P&T lean heavily on science. But when it comes to their belief in the official, ever changing 9/11 story it becomes a matter of faith and science "don't mean jack doodly"....
No. Indeed not. That is one of the reasons why it is so sad to see people worship things that they can make with their own hands.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
Wrong again. The Torah comes directly from the prophets and was written by them as instructed by God almighty, nothing oral about it other than God inspiring them what to write. The Talmud on the other hand comes from the oral comments from Rabbis that was passed down generation to generation and became the traditions of men which was finally written down as the Talmud. The Talmud in no way comes from God while the Torah comes directly from God.
God is always good!
Good one.
Yes, it is considered to be superior to the Torah for most Jews. There are verses in the Talmud that even proclaim that God himself seeks out the counsel of these wise Rabbis.
God is always good!
RickyJ, I am inclined to accept your superior scholarship on the difference between torah and talmud, however, as to the divine inspiration of the Torah, I must preserve selective disbelief.
It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
And that alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Talmud. It would be like the clay advising the potter.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
Thanks R. ? is "most jews' = orthodox jews?
And that alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Talmud. It would be like the clay advising the potter. Another good one. Another good one.
Thanks.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
I knew exactly what I was commenting about and you have only clarified the point that the O.T. is the written record of the oral laws of the Jews, and does not in any way come from God. I agree with you, angK, the Torah is the the first five books of the O.T. and the Talmud is not nor has ever been proclaimed to be a holy text (aka "word of God), it is rabbinical (Jewish) law, and should not be conflated with biblical texts. As a sidenote, I think a good part of it comes from the Code of Hammurabi, which is why it is often called the Babylonian Talmud.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
More than that it was heavily influenced by the Egyptian and Babylonian Mystery Schools which are also at the root of Masonry and that group we call the Illuminati. These are sacred beliefs about man's nature and existence which have been kept secreted and likely very distorted from their origins which seem to have viewed man as a spiritual being at the most basic level. However, the Babylonian Mystery school seems to have been conceived as a means of control - to enslave man. That knowledge and viewpoint has been handed down through the aeons via the various secret societies.
I think the masons got a bad rap, they were always the ones fighting the monarchs, the bankers, and the RCC. I'm just not that spooked by Franklin, Jefferson, and Voltaire to be completely honest.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Nope. The Torah is the 1st five books of the OT, and the What great truths? It was written by those with an agenda, and God had nothing at all to do with its contents. If you wish to deify the words of the profane, well that's your choice. I choose to follow the true Creator(s), not the words of men with a self serving agenda. In fact, the very people who've maintained the original Hebrew text of the Torah proclaim that the TRUTH is buried in codified text within it, where it is hidden from those who are not pure enough in spirit to understand it. That is why rabbinical students study Gematria in order to study the true meaning of what the Torah contains. The story is that the original written Torah was written in early Hebrew, which was lost during the time of occupation. It was rewritten so as to give the average person something to hold dear, yet convey the original meaning to the learned. That's not MY opinion, that's the history of the Torah, which much later became the 1st five books of the OT. Then if you TRULY read the words of the text with an open mind, you'll see that no loving God ordered the writers to write what they wrote. The god of the OT is cruel, jealous, and vengeful. That is why "his chosen" follow that path yet consider themselves "blessed" and "devout".
Yet no one mention the Codex Vatican and the Codex Siani.
In terms of their origin, or of their differences between them and the "accepted" NT?
You are entitled to your opinion. Of course I don't agree with you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
And you are entitled to yours as well my friend. And I don't agree with you either. HOWEVER, there IS a God, and that God is much greater than any one man, or any book, or anyTHING. It is beyond human comprehension. And that God, for lack of a better word, IS loving, and does fill every molecule of Creation.
#41. To: christine (#39)
why is belief in the bible the one exception? how does one come to truth and conviction without first doing his/her own search and interrogatory?
#42. To: christine (#39)
(Edited)
#43. To: James Deffenbach, christine (#42)
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: FormerLurker (#43)
That's just my humble opinion at least.
#45. To: FormerLurker (#43)
Beyond that, it's obvious (to me at least) that there ARE higher orders of intelligence within our universe and that which exists outside it. No human here on earth knows what exists beyond science, other than what can be found spiritually. Spirituality isn't realized by memorizing a book of words written by men, it's something that can only be found via a honest and true search for God.
#46. To: christine, James Deffenbach (#39)
Those who scoff at, doubt or otherwise ridicule the book of Jonah are in actuality doubting Christ's own integrity.
#47. To: Original_Intent (#46)
"thou shalt believe now shut thine pie hole"
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#42)
(Edited)
#49. To: Original_Intent (#46)
So, I am careful in my pronouncements both from not wishing to offend others, and simply because we do not know.
#50. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#35)
#51. To: christine (#29)
I have come to the tentative conclusion, subject to re-interpretation, that there is truth in the bible, some of the stories are possible, most are allegorical.
#52. To: Flintlock (#40)
(Edited)
ODIN!!! is related to the Roman God Mercury and has nothing to do with anything Abrahamic.
by Chuck Missler 
#53. To: Freedomsnotfree (#50)
#54. To: Flintlock (#47)
"thou shalt believe now shut thine pie hole"
#55. To: RickyJ (#16)
How far would an act entitled "The Talmud is BS" go?
#56. To: angK (#55)
The first five books of the O.T. IS THE TALMUD
#57. To: christine (#48)
thank you. certainly some thought provoking quotes there. though, at this point in time, i am unable to have faith without reservations especially since i know that the bible was written, ordered by, decreed, edited(?), and translated by some very unscrupulous men.
#58. To: RickyJ, angK (#56)
The first five books of the O.T. IS THE TALMUD
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#59. To: RickyJ (#56)
The Talmud is not a book in itself- it is a compilation of the Mishnah (oral law) and the gemorrah (rabbinical commentaries). Now, another name for the Mishnah is the Torah she 'b'peh- the Torah handed down by mouth, and its tranmsmission is recorded as followed in Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers) also known in the Mishnah as meschta Avot:
#60. To: James Deffenbach (#57)
To acknowledge that we cannot fully comprehend the great truths of the Bible is only to admit that the finite mind is inadequate to grasp the infinite; that man, with his limited, human knowledge, cannot understand the purposes of Omniscience.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#61. To: christine (#7)
i would like to see a disputation (refutation?) of what P&T presented in this video. are the stories in the OT of Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, and Moses parting the Red Sea factual (or possible?) or are they allegories?
#62. To: tom007 (#60)
Can the created comprehend their Creator?
#63. To: angK (#59)
It appears from the above that the Torah is the oral tradition and the Talmud is the written compilation of the oral law, which became the first five books of the O.T.
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#61)
&T lean heavily on science. But when it comes to their belief in the official, ever changing 9/11 story it becomes a matter of faith and science "don't mean jack doodly"....
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#65. To: tom007 (#58)
It is a body of Jewish law, codified about 750 ad, and is considered by Orthodox followers are being superior to the Torah, and is, I believe, considered to be scripture, and when scripture is mentioned in the bible, I believe the Talmud is included in the definition of the word.
#66. To: RickyJ (#63)
#67. To: RickyJ (#65)
There are verses in the Talmud that even proclaim that God himself seeks out the counsel of these wise Rabbis.
#68. To: RickyJ (#65)
Yes, it is considered to be superior to the Torah for most Jews.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#69. To: James Deffenbach (#67)
There are verses in the Talmud that even proclaim that God himself seeks out the counsel of these wise Rabbis.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#70. To: tom007 (#69)
#71. To: angK, Ricky J (#59)
The fact that The Talmud is written record of the traditions of men (Rabbis) that does not in any way come from God, is the very point that I was making in my comment.
#72. To: Dakmar (#71)
As a sidenote, I think a good part of it comes from the Code of Hammurabi, which is why it is often called the Babylonian Talmud.
#73. To: Original_Intent (#72)
#74. To: angK, RickyJ, tom007 (#59)
(Edited)
It appears from the above that the Torah is the oral tradition and the Talmud is the written compilation of the oral law
Torah Talmud is simply rabbinical commentary.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: James Deffenbach (#57)
To acknowledge that we cannot fully comprehend the great truths of the Bible
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: FormerLurker (#75)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#77. To: tom007 (#76)
Yet no one mention the Codex Vatican and the Codex Siani.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: FormerLurker (#75)
What great truths? It was written by those with an agenda, and God had nothing at all to do with its contents.
#79. To: James Deffenbach (#78)
You are entitled to your opinion. Of course I don't agree with you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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